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  • AT&T Working With Apple to Put '4G' in the iPhone 4S Status Bar

    4G isn't a service. It's just a medium for measurement of wireless standards...right?

    AT&T thinks just that. Due to the speeds that HSPA+ will bring to the iPhone 4S, 14.4Mb/s, it is fair to say that the iPhone 4S is capable of 4G speeds. The debate is that the speeds are capable of 4G, while the opposing side feels that it's still operating on a, "3G Radio" and marketing the iPhone 4S as a 4G phone is simply flat out wrong.

    HSPA+ being marketed as 4G, isn't exactly a new concept. AT&T has been considering it for a very long time; in fact AT&T has been marketing LTE and HSPA+ as 4G for quite a while now. Apple's iPhone 4S looks to be joining in on that consideration.


    As the image above shows, Apple's very own Phil Schiller was at the keynote explaining the speed benefits of the iPhone 4S's new hardware improvements. The downlink speeds are very much capable of reaching that of many 4G-marketed phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Schiller
    Now, if you follow the phone industry, these numbers might sound familiar 5.8 up, 14.4 down. Where have I heard that before? Well, this is what the majority of our competitors claim when they talk about 4G performance. The Motorola Atrix 4G, the LG Thrill 4G, the HTC Inspire 4G they even put it in their names. We're not going to get into a debate in the industry of what's 4G and what isn't. We leave that to others to talk about. What's most important, when it comes to real-world performance the iPhone 4S is just as fast as all these phones. In fact, we think with some of our software enhancements, it's even faster in real-world use.
    So where do we draw the line? Well, shown clearly by the image above, Apple went above and beyond to make sure that the public understood that the iPhone 4S was not being marketed as a 4G phone, but that it still used a 3G radio with improved speeds. It looks like this, "consideration" going on between Apple and AT&T might be more of an 'AT&T is pushing Apple to lie to the public to increase sales.'


    If this suggestion from AT&T becomes a reality, you might find the heading image of this article - a common aspect of your very own iPhone 4S. If this happens, it will likely be a software update for the iPhone 4S running on AT&T's network. All of the iPhone 4's and CDMA-activated iPhone 4S's will still show the usual 3G indicator because they still work at 3G speeds.

    GSM carriers have more to worry about when it comes to confusing their customers than CDMA networks do. GSM networks, such as AT&T like to market both HSPA+ and LTE as 4G, where Verizon utilizes only LTE and Sprint utilizes WiMAX. Sprint may be ditching WiMAX to support LTE in the upcoming months. That being said, AT&T has a lot of explaining to do for its future iPhone 4S consumers.

    Do you like, or dislike the fact that AT&T wants to make the iPhone 4S say that it's receiving a 4G signal? Share below!

    Sources: MacRumors
    This article was originally published in forum thread: AT&T Working With Apple to Put '4G' in the iPhone 4S Status Bar started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 50 Comments
    1. z6joker9's Avatar
      z6joker9 -
      It's kind of funny though, since AT&T actually complained about TMobile marketing HSPA+ as 4G. Then the ITU said HSPA+ could be considered 4G, so AT&T is marketing it as such. If the organization that defines 4G considers it 4G, why don't you?
    1. mmaboi21's Avatar
      mmaboi21 -
      Disregard this
    1. tkawika's Avatar
      tkawika -
      4G technologies such as mobile WiMAX and first-release Long term evolution (LTE) have been on the market since 2006[2] and 2009[3][4][5] respectively. The ITU announced in December 2010 that WiMax, LTE, and HSPA+ are 4G technologies.[6]

      From Wikipedia.
    1. Maverick00's Avatar
      Maverick00 -
      It'd be a lie to say that it's a 4G device. It's just a super-boosted 3G device that only works on AT&T service. If it was really 4G, then it might work (and should be made to) work with Verizon and Sprint's 4G networks.
    1. Pepsolman's Avatar
      Pepsolman -
      So when phones actually reach "true 4G" speeds they are going to call it 5G or 6G since we are getting ahead of ourselves.

      AT&T: "We now have Super 8G x times 2 quad speed! Only on the nation's most lyingest network!"
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick00 View Post
      It'd be a lie to say that it's a 4G device. It's just a super-boosted 3G device that only works on AT&T service. If it was really 4G, then it might work (and should be made to) work with Verizon and Sprint's 4G networks.
      That would be incorrect, since all of the carriers offer a 3G service but it is still separated by a rift of CDMA/GSM.
    1. bigliquid530's Avatar
      bigliquid530 -
      Can't wait for the sprint and Verizon commercials, when they rip into Att about there fake 4g speed
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      ITU say 4G should give you a minimum of 1Gbps downlink.
      ITU own the phrase 4G and 3G so i'm going by what they call 4G.
    1. adsn76's Avatar
      adsn76 -
      when it comes down to it.... just make sure the data runs smoothly and quickly. I don't care what you call it.
    1. MrNewbdude's Avatar
      MrNewbdude -
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    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick00 View Post
      It'd be a lie to say that it's a 4G device. It's just a super-boosted 3G device that only works on AT&T service. If it was really 4G, then it might work (and should be made to) work with Verizon and Sprint's 4G networks.
      I am having trouble understanding this statement. There are revisions of wimax and LTE that are legitimately considered/called 4G by any standard. They are not backwards compatible. There isn't just ONE network. Much like CDMA =/= GSM, however they are both 3G networks.
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      I am having trouble understanding this statement. There are revisions of wimax and LTE that are legitimately considered/called 4G by any standard. They are not backwards compatible. There isn't just ONE network. Much like CDMA =/= GSM, however they are both 3G networks.
      At the moment LTE-A is the only working version of 4G, it is still a candidate though so it is not full 4G.
      WiMAX has been discontinued and replaced by WiMAN-A but that is not functioning yet (lab test aren't even working).
      LTE is 3.75G and LTE-Advanced is 4G it will be released when it gives 1Gbps downlink and 500Mbps uplink simultaneously.
    1. santiagodraco's Avatar
      santiagodraco -
      Quote Originally Posted by brian30880 View Post
      I think 3g or 4g is basically a way of saying how fast a phone is in general. If it gets "4g" speeds the what the hell, let it say 4g? Not a big deal..
      It's a huge deal. It's false and a lie. An intentional one.

      Too bad if they have not updated their networks to support 4g. It's irrelevant that they've "tweaked" 3g to be comparable to the "current" 4g... but what happens when 4g is tweaked to be significantly faster than AT&T's current "3g"?

      If they do it they will see the a landslide of lawsuits that will make them wish they hadn't ever tried to deceive.
    1. jibaro3's Avatar
      jibaro3 -
      [
      Thanks professor can I have my quiz now.

      QUOTE=Azulfuego;6260409]4G = 4 generation? So if dual band is AT&T's 4th gen what is wrong with calling it 4g? If the speeds were not comparable I would def be saying "FOUL" but the speed is there and it is in a way a 4th generation. At the end of the day the speed is there what does it matter? Waste of time and print.

      1G
      The first wireless cellular systems (1G) started appearing in the 1980s. 1G networks are based on the AMPS (Advanced Mobile Phone Service) standard. Unlike their predecessor wireless networks, 1G networks are based on the idea of cells. 1G networks provide analog voice service but no data service. 1G was analog, not digital. The spectral efficiency of 1G networks was very low and the effective "energy/bit" was high. Handsets had short talk/standby times.

      2G
      2G wireless networks are digital networks (for spectral efficiency and not for digital services). There are several 2G standards in use:

      TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access). Used primarily in the USA.
      GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications). Widely used in Europe and countries other than USA, now appearing in the USA.
      CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access). Used in USA and its use is spreading in the rest of the world.
      PDC (Personal Digital Cellular). Used only in Japan where iMode uses packet switched PDC.

      Some characteristics of 2G networks are:

      Maximum data rates of 9.6 Kbits/second to 14.4 Kbits/second if you are in just the right place.
      Digital voice (results in a lower quality voice but uses less precious spectrum).
      Enhanced telephony features such as caller-id.
      Services such as text based messaging (big winner), downloads of still images and audio clips, etc.

      2.5G (Between 2G and 3G)
      2.5G networks, which are still not available everywhere, are essentially General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) packet overlays on 2G networks. Besides enhancing GSM and TDMA networks by making them packet-based networks, GPRS also increases their data rates. GPRS is primarily a software upgrade of GSM. Some characteristics of 2.5G networks are:

      Data rates of 64 - 144kb/second.
      Packet based.
      Always-on connectivity.
      Instant messaging with small attachments.

      A new wireless standard, Enhanced Data GSM Environment (EDGE), has been developed to increase the bandwidth of GPRS. EDGE triples the bandwidth capacity of GPRS to 384 Kbits/second thus allowing GSM and TDMA operators to offer high-speed services. EDGE based networks fall in between 2.5G and 3G networks.

      3G is the third (next) generation of wireless network technology that provides high speed bandwidth (high data transfer rates) to handheld devices. Specifically, 3G wireless networks support the following maximum data transfer rates:

      2.05 Mbits/second to stationary devices.
      384 Kbits/second for slowly moving devices, such as a handset carried by a walking user.
      128 Kbits/second for fast moving devices, such as handsets in moving vehicles.

      With such high bandwidth rates, 3G networks will be able to offer a variety of new services that combine high voice quality telephony, high-speed mobile IP services, information technology, rich media, and offer diverse content. What Came Before 3G? 3G wireless networks represent an evolution of wireless network technology, and were preceded by 1G, 2G, and 2.5G wireless networks.[/QUOTE]
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      This isn't even close to 4G, LTE isn't 4G either, there not even close. 4G qualifies as anything above 100mbit/s. This is 14.4mbit/s and LTE that currently exists isn't even close to 4G. I find it amazing that in America, carriers and phone makers are not being stopped by the FCC or anyone from lying and saying this is 4G. You do realise this doesn't happen anywhere else?
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      Quote Originally Posted by whereswaldo View Post
      This isn't even close to 4G, LTE isn't 4G either, there not even close. 4G qualifies as anything above 100mbit/s. This is 14.4mbit/s and LTE that currently exists isn't even close to 4G. I find it amazing that in America, carriers and phone makers are not being stopped by the FCC or anyone from lying and saying this is 4G. You do realise this doesn't happen anywhere else?
      ITU say 4G has to be above 1gbit/s, which translates to 128MB/s. You have used bits in your post when you should have used bytes.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by santiagodraco View Post
      It's a huge deal. It's false and a lie. An intentional one.

      If they do it they will see the a landslide of lawsuits that will make them wish they hadn't ever tried to deceive.
      They don't have to worry about any lawsuits as the ITU has embraced the speeds as 4G under their revised 4G standards.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      I would like to see an H+ instead of 3G when I am running the faster network, just to let me know.
    1. duromega's Avatar
      duromega -
      Quote Originally Posted by spazturtle View Post
      Saying any phone is 4G is plain wrong. LTE is not 4G it is 3.75G, LTE-A is a 4G candidate but no phone has that.
      I didn't know that
    1. Notangel74's Avatar
      Notangel74 -
      Ok I don't think the it's gonna happened no until the launch a new iPhone