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  • AT&T Working With Apple to Put '4G' in the iPhone 4S Status Bar

    4G isn't a service. It's just a medium for measurement of wireless standards...right?

    AT&T thinks just that. Due to the speeds that HSPA+ will bring to the iPhone 4S, 14.4Mb/s, it is fair to say that the iPhone 4S is capable of 4G speeds. The debate is that the speeds are capable of 4G, while the opposing side feels that it's still operating on a, "3G Radio" and marketing the iPhone 4S as a 4G phone is simply flat out wrong.

    HSPA+ being marketed as 4G, isn't exactly a new concept. AT&T has been considering it for a very long time; in fact AT&T has been marketing LTE and HSPA+ as 4G for quite a while now. Apple's iPhone 4S looks to be joining in on that consideration.


    As the image above shows, Apple's very own Phil Schiller was at the keynote explaining the speed benefits of the iPhone 4S's new hardware improvements. The downlink speeds are very much capable of reaching that of many 4G-marketed phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Schiller
    Now, if you follow the phone industry, these numbers might sound familiar 5.8 up, 14.4 down. Where have I heard that before? Well, this is what the majority of our competitors claim when they talk about 4G performance. The Motorola Atrix 4G, the LG Thrill 4G, the HTC Inspire 4G they even put it in their names. We're not going to get into a debate in the industry of what's 4G and what isn't. We leave that to others to talk about. What's most important, when it comes to real-world performance the iPhone 4S is just as fast as all these phones. In fact, we think with some of our software enhancements, it's even faster in real-world use.
    So where do we draw the line? Well, shown clearly by the image above, Apple went above and beyond to make sure that the public understood that the iPhone 4S was not being marketed as a 4G phone, but that it still used a 3G radio with improved speeds. It looks like this, "consideration" going on between Apple and AT&T might be more of an 'AT&T is pushing Apple to lie to the public to increase sales.'


    If this suggestion from AT&T becomes a reality, you might find the heading image of this article - a common aspect of your very own iPhone 4S. If this happens, it will likely be a software update for the iPhone 4S running on AT&T's network. All of the iPhone 4's and CDMA-activated iPhone 4S's will still show the usual 3G indicator because they still work at 3G speeds.

    GSM carriers have more to worry about when it comes to confusing their customers than CDMA networks do. GSM networks, such as AT&T like to market both HSPA+ and LTE as 4G, where Verizon utilizes only LTE and Sprint utilizes WiMAX. Sprint may be ditching WiMAX to support LTE in the upcoming months. That being said, AT&T has a lot of explaining to do for its future iPhone 4S consumers.

    Do you like, or dislike the fact that AT&T wants to make the iPhone 4S say that it's receiving a 4G signal? Share below!

    Sources: MacRumors
    This article was originally published in forum thread: AT&T Working With Apple to Put '4G' in the iPhone 4S Status Bar started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 50 Comments
    1. andypropaganda's Avatar
      andypropaganda -
      Quote Originally Posted by spazturtle View Post
      Saying any phone is 4G is plain wrong. LTE is not 4G it is 3.75G, LTE-A is a 4G candidate but no phone has that.
      So pumped someone else actually knows what they are talking about. Thank you. This 4G **** drives me nuts.

      4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <--- THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF REAL 4G!!!
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Quote Originally Posted by bigliquid530 View Post
      Can't wait for the sprint and Verizon commercials, when they rip into Att about there fake 4g speed
      They lie too. No carrier in the world has 4G

      Quote Originally Posted by spazturtle View Post
      ITU say 4G has to be above 1gbit/s, which translates to 128MB/s. You have used bits in your post when you should have used bytes.
      It said 100 mbit/s on wikipedia, but maybe they're wrong
    1. jerrykb's Avatar
      jerrykb -
      You mistakenly grouped TDMA and GSM with CDMA as 2G That is completely inaccurate. GSM is TDMA with a 200 KHz BW per RF carrier. Data speeds were and are limited to ~144 KBts on a good day. CDMA based EVDO Rev 0 offered data rates closer to and exceeding the 1.0Mb benchmark with favorable network condition, and is close to what UMTS repeatably offeres today in a typical noise limited environment. LTE networks deployed today in Verizon and emerging AT&T markets, will provide in excess of 14 MB download speeds AGAIN in optimum link conditions and has shown to deliver closer to 20 MB download but that is in more than ideal settings.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jerrykb View Post
      You mistakenly grouped TDMA and GSM with CDMA as 2G That is completely inaccurate. GSM is TDMA with a 200 KHz BW per RF carrier. Data speeds were and are limited to ~144 KBts on a good day. CDMA based EVDO Rev 0 offered data rates closer to and exceeding the 1.0Mb benchmark with favorable network condition, and is close to what UMTS repeatably offeres today in a typical noise limited environment. LTE networks deployed today in Verizon and emerging AT&T markets, will provide in excess of 14 MB download speeds AGAIN in optimum link conditions and has shown to deliver closer to 20 MB download but that is in more than ideal settings.
      I think you mean 14Mb and 20Mb not MB. 14MB = 112Mbps.
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      Quote Originally Posted by whereswaldo View Post
      They lie too. No carrier in the world has 4G



      It said 100 mbit/s on wikipedia, but maybe they're wrong
      100Mbit/s for moving vehicles above 50mph, 1Gbit/s for pedestrians.
    1. Kariodude's Avatar
      Kariodude -
      Basically AT&T wants to say they have 4G just like Verizon has been pretending for a while already.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      The iPhone sells itself regardless of how many G's it has in the corner haha. I really don't see why the carriers care.
    1. brian540's Avatar
      brian540 -
      The International Telecommunications Union has expanded its definition of 4G service to include WiMax, LTE and HSPA+. This decision comes a couple of months after T-Mobile and Sprint had started calling their respective HSPA+ and WiMax offerings 4G in advertisements. Verizon has started promoting its LTE service as a 4G connection. While AT&T is the only one of the four major U.S. operators not to promote a 4G pipeline, the carrier did dispute T-Mobile's claim of owning the largest 4G network in America, as we reported. And Sprint even said that it had the only real 4G network in the U.S.





      ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G
    1. z6joker9's Avatar
      z6joker9 -
      Quote Originally Posted by andypropaganda View Post
      So pumped someone else actually knows what they are talking about. Thank you. This 4G **** drives me nuts.

      4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <--- THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF REAL 4G!!!
      Thank you, from your link we have:

      On December 6, 2010, ITU announced that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."[7]
      Thus, we now know that LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+ are all *REAL* 4G.

      Anyone that says otherwise is simply using outdated information and hasn't kept up with the times.
    1. Stumbows's Avatar
      Stumbows -
      Quote Originally Posted by Aenima133 View Post
      I agree whole heartedly. And this is probably why apple WILL NOT go through with it. Plus from what i've read and been told by IT friends of mine, 4G speeds range 20Mbs+ to almost 50Mbs. 14Mbs is hardly that. Therefore, should not be marketed as such.
      Even more really! We have 4G here in Australia and have seen with my own eyes speed tests of 88Mbs.