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  • Union Boss Blasts 'Unpatriotic' Apple, Says President Obama Should 'Attack' It


    International Brotherhood of Teamsters Union President Jim Hoffa has some tough words for both Apple and US President Barack Obama. According to Hoffa, Apple is "unpatriotic" for investing more of its vast reserves of cash into China than in the US. Hoffa adds that President Obama should do something about it. No specific instructions, however, were given by Hoffa other than to say Obama should "attack" companies that behave the way Apple does.

    In the controversial interview with CNN, Hoffa told host Candy Crowley that he's well aware of the reality that it's more cost-effective to set up factories and hire workers overseas. "We know that," he said, while noting that companies still "have an obligation to America to build in America."



    "I think the president should challenge the patriotism of these American corporations that are sitting on the sidelines saying, why do we have high unemployment but I am not going to hire anybody?" Hoffa says. "You know, they have an obligation just like the federal government, just like Obama. We have all got to get into the game. And I don't see that happening. So the trillions and billions of dollars that they have on the sidelines, they have money, Pfizer and General Electric, they have trillions of dollars overseas, let's start repatriating that money. Let's start a program to get America going again."

    Taking his argument to another level, Hoffa blatantly called Apple "unpatriotic" for a number of reasons, but chief among them the tech giant's construction of a factory in Mexico. "You can do it here," Hoffa said, "But the answer is, you have to have the incentive. And so many companies like Mr. Coffee and all of these other companies that have closed and moved to Mexico, they are wrong. They are unpatriotic."

    Source: CNN
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Union Boss Blasts 'Unpatriotic' Apple, Says President Obama Should 'Attack' It started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 31 Comments
    1. kuhndsn's Avatar
      kuhndsn -
      While I do agree with wanting APPLE to have it's entire production base here in the USA. I don't think Hoffa knows what he is talking about when it comes to business. If the motor company would stop and look at how they run business and the teamsters would get their nose out of politics then perhaps they could concentrate on how to create "useful" jobs. They should keep their hand in their own cookie jar!

      Lastly the fool should look at the production of where his base gets it's products more than 50% overseas! What a looser/hipocrite. I'll leave the "drug use" and other issues they have out of this rant...
    1. RICO_'s Avatar
      RICO_ -
      Well darn....maybe if Union workers didn't demand to be paid 10x more than what they should be paid to drill in a screw or push a button on an assembly line then Apple would consider operations in America. But with the cheap labor China offers it's hard to compete against that.
    1. DirkAloha's Avatar
      DirkAloha -
      And why would a successful competative company want to do that?!?! America is great at producing, especially when it comes to building weapons of defense. We are the best in that catagory! Last time I checked, America was not a communist country that can force a company to build in America. This guy needs a reality check.
    1. kuhndsn's Avatar
      kuhndsn -
      Exactly, and well put! We or they did it to themselves and are now complaining from the result of what has transpired over years of union crap. Don't get me wrong unions are good for some but not all.

      Agree. I love my country but it's not like apl is making iPhones that power military rockets. A business is there for profit nothing else!
    1. Donnutt's Avatar
      Donnutt -
      Quote Originally Posted by RICO_ View Post
      Well darn....maybe if Union workers didn't demand to be paid 10x more than what they should be paid to drill in a screw or push a button on an assembly line then Apple would consider operations in America. But with the cheap labor China offers it's hard to compete against that.
      Exactly. If idevices were made in the USA there wouldn't be near enough to fill the void. When is the last time you heard of an American factory employing over 800,000 people like Foxconn? The American workforce just cannot and will not handle those numbers. It is impossible with the unions and things like health insurance. A workforce like that takes a certain amount of socialism to run. We may be heading that way, but we are far from there. When is the last time you heard someone say "when I grow up I want to work in a factory".
    1. Tedomcmillan's Avatar
      Tedomcmillan -
      Quote Originally Posted by DirkAloha View Post
      And why would a successful competative company want to do that?!?! America is great at producing, especially when it comes to building weapons of defense. We are the best in that catagory! Last time I checked, America was not a communist country that can force a company to build in America. This guy needs a reality check.

      if we don't do something about these out of touch politicians and union thugs we WILL be a communist country. has anyone seen what the NLRB is doing to Boeing. Ron Paul 2012!
    1. GeoffS4's Avatar
      GeoffS4 -
      If companies always focus first and foremost on US, then they run risk (higher costs, etc) of going out of business. How much help to the country will those companies be when they are banckrupt &/or out of business?

      Why do "you" use words like "obligation"? Haffa, unions have their place but as a representative of your union, to speak about how companies have obligations in the capacity you reference weakens your voice and that of unions.

      Again, would you rather these companies just go out of business? If we are talking about the US government or government agencies setting up shop overseas, fine, but you are way off base and speaking, quite frankly, stupidly.
    1. bigstevep's Avatar
      bigstevep -
      We need to get some of this manufacturing back in the US. Read about Foxconn beginning to deploy more robots in the manufacturing process getting rid of workers. The US can build robots and factories as well. I for one would pay more for a US made phone, maybe not hundreds of dollars more but a premium for sure. The president needs to make it easier to build these factories in the US and get the jobs here, even if it's just building robots which by the way Foxconn is already using many US built robots.
    1. GeoffS4's Avatar
      GeoffS4 -
      Quote Originally Posted by RICO_ View Post
      Well darn....maybe if Union workers didn't demand to be paid 10x more than what they should be paid to drill in a screw or push a button on an assembly line then Apple would consider operations in America. But with the cheap labor China offers it's hard to compete against that.
      Don't blame unions for cheaper labor forces in other countries. Unions have neglible impact in their low labor force costs. If you even consider the difference in wages, it is (unions) still a relative non-factor.
    1. hitman10's Avatar
      hitman10 -
      Quote Originally Posted by bigstevep View Post
      We need to get some of this manufacturing back in the US. Read about Foxconn beginning to deploy more robots in the manufacturing process getting rid of workers. The US can build robots and factories as well. I for one would pay more for a US made phone, maybe not hundreds of dollars more but a premium for sure. The president needs to make it easier to build these factories in the US and get the jobs here, even if it's just building robots which by the way Foxconn is already using many US built robots.
      Your willing to pay a premium on a product that is already to say the least, over board with their pricing.. now you'd be willing to pay an extra what $50 or so.. your a crazy man with a lot of money my friend.

      If anything it should be cheaper since it is made in your own country. But that wouldn't make sense would it. Neither does 80% of Canadian Alberta Oil being sent straight to the USA. Doesn't make sense.. but it still. (dont quote 80% rough estimate.)
    1. maddawg05's Avatar
      maddawg05 -
      This guy gives unions a bad image. When's the last time you read Apple laying-off employees? I haven't. Could you imagine how much iDevices would cost the consumers if it was all made and manufactured state-side? Apple would never be able to meet the demands. It sucks but that's how the cookie crumbles.
    1. gigapocket1's Avatar
      gigapocket1 -
      Y would any company want to build a factory here in the US?? First off. Americans are lazy... Second, its going to be more expensive.
      If Apple wanted to build a factory here where all these rules and regulations are then they would barely make a profit. Think about it. You have to waste your material this way. You have to pay employee benefits of at least this amount and you have to give them all healthcare.. On top of that. Because we are all lazy, then Apple would have to employ more people just to get the same production that they could get from a work force with less people. I also believe the quality of the product will also go down because also, Americans as a hole take the shortcuts. It just wouldn't work.. I agree that Apple should do something. But didn't they get their cameras that they used in the iPhone 4 from an American company?? Not to mention all the thousands of employees they have hired at the headquarters and at Apple Stores all across America.. But i guess thats just not good enough...

      Now that I think about it.. America isn't even a tech country. Name another worldwide tech company (not microsoft) that does everything here.. Samsung? Sony? Nintendo? LG?.. We can't even get internet to every home in America. and your asking them to start building all their complicated and high quality products here in America??
    1. Alan Jolin's Avatar
      Alan Jolin -
      The situation is the same here in the UK, even London taxi cabs are now made in china.
    1. luvmytj's Avatar
      luvmytj -
      If America didn't regulate the companies away from the U.S. & we traded goods fairly both ways we wouldn't be the sinking ship that America has become. We are driving the companies away then we cry about it. America has some tough times ahead of it, really tough times.
    1. boxxa's Avatar
      boxxa -
      Apple has 75,000 employees world wide and most of them are in the US and SKILLED labor. Sorry unions but you are not needed with Apple and the way you suck life out of companies, maybe you can destroy a few more industries like you did with the auto workers.
    1. Zon's Avatar
      Zon -
      So why doesn't he attack Walmart? Fisher-Price? Dell? Fender Guitars?
    1. rkswat's Avatar
      rkswat -
      Quote Originally Posted by bigstevep View Post
      We need to get some of this manufacturing back in the US. Read about Foxconn beginning to deploy more robots in the manufacturing process getting rid of workers. The US can build robots and factories as well. I for one would pay more for a US made phone, maybe not hundreds of dollars more but a premium for sure. The president needs to make it easier to build these factories in the US and get the jobs here, even if it's just building robots which by the way Foxconn is already using many US built robots.
      I partly agree here.... except of course about the president making things easier. Seems some of you have no clue about this country's history and what unions did for your grandfathers and great grandfathers lives. The president can do NOTHING to make things easier r/t jobs here in the US. We have shared power so it will take pres and congress to make things happen.

      That being said I believe it is un-American to dump millions/billions into foreign countries economies. I believe there should be a hefty import tax on any item coming into this county "made" by an American company. Sure we would pay more for our little idevices but that's something I'd be willing to do. Now I'll sit back and watch all the other posters rail against organized labor and how evil it is..... of course the the middle class is disappearing and the wage discrepansy between working stiffs and CEO's is larger than it has ever been but no biggie, we don't need any one on the side of the workers.
    1. kuhndsn's Avatar
      kuhndsn -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zon View Post
      So why doesn't he attack Walmart? Fisher-Price? Dell? Fender Guitars?
      Because he wants the president to force big money like apl to bring jobs here to the states (which they already have) and also have his buddy Obama force apl to hire union workers so they can suck the life out of apl to where they need a bailout from the gov like the motor city did. Consider him like a locust. They demolished the auto industry (CRAPY OVERPRICED CARS) now they need more food ($) so who better target? Apl and after the friendship he thinks he has with our underqualified president he figures he can get him to help with his locust migration. I'm sure a lot of loyal followers think it's a good idea so who knows you may hear some patriotic verbiage this Thursday. Lastly, we all know the job problem isn't the gov's fault or unions it's all the successful companies. at least that is the retoric we have been hearing lately from failed business and Washington.
    1. WhiskeyKarma's Avatar
      WhiskeyKarma -
      Quote Originally Posted by Donnutt View Post
      Exactly. If idevices were made in the USA there wouldn't be near enough to fill the void. When is the last time you heard of an American factory employing over 800,000 people like Foxconn? The American workforce just cannot and will not handle those numbers. It is impossible with the unions and things like health insurance. A workforce like that takes a certain amount of socialism to run. We may be heading that way, but we are far from there. When is the last time you heard someone say "when I grow up I want to work in a factory".

      First off, Foxconn pays substandard wages, has dangerous working conditions, and is incredibly environmentally irresponsible.

      Second, Not all companies deal with unions and not all union workers get paid undeserved wages.

      Third, Yes business is meant o make money but How much money is too much...There is a point when a company is cutting too many corners and being too greedy...Profit is whats left after expenses are paid that includes salaries, research costs, marketing, etc...its the gravy left over...now does a company like Apple really need to have BILLIONS of profit left over every year or could they maybe cut that down a bit and bring jobs back to the US...So a few insane Apple nuts can wait a few extra months for the brand new iPhone to replace their not so old iPhone...

      It is definitely unpatriotic to be more concerned about making that extra 20 Billion Dollars in profit every year then creating jobs here in the US...

      Companies have been doing well financially in the US for longer then Apple has been around ...and all without off-shoring their entire operation...
    1. blwallace5's Avatar
      blwallace5 -
      Quote Originally Posted by RICO_ View Post
      Well darn....maybe if Union workers didn't demand to be paid 10x more than what they should be paid to drill in a screw or push a button on an assembly line then Apple would consider operations in America. But with the cheap labor China offers it's hard to compete against that.
      I did not really expect this from you. Great post. Workers should get paid well enough when doing skilled labor, but as a former union worker you would not believe how much of that money is taken by the union.

      Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
      I partly agree here.... except of course about the president making things easier. Seems some of you have no clue about this country's history and what unions did for your grandfathers and great grandfathers lives. The president can do NOTHING to make things easier r/t jobs here in the US. We have shared power so it will take pres and congress to make things happen.

      That being said I believe it is un-American to dump millions/billions into foreign countries economies. I believe there should be a hefty import tax on any item coming into this county "made" by an American company. Sure we would pay more for our little idevices but that's something I'd be willing to do. Now I'll sit back and watch all the other posters rail against organized labor and how evil it is..... of course the the middle class is disappearing and the wage discrepansy between working stiffs and CEO's is larger than it has ever been but no biggie, we don't need any one on the side of the workers.
      Newsflash: The union isn't on your side either. Most unions are illegal political funding machines and nothing else.

      Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyKarma View Post
      First off, Foxconn pays substandard wages, has dangerous working conditions, and is incredibly environmentally irresponsible.

      Second, Not all companies deal with unions and not all union workers get paid undeserved wages.

      Third, Yes business is meant o make money but How much money is too much...There is a point when a company is cutting too many corners and being too greedy...Profit is whats left after expenses are paid that includes salaries, research costs, marketing, etc...its the gravy left over...now does a company like Apple really need to have BILLIONS of profit left over every year or could they maybe cut that down a bit and bring jobs back to the US...So a few insane Apple nuts can wait a few extra months for the brand new iPhone to replace their not so old iPhone...

      It is definitely unpatriotic to be more concerned about making that extra 20 Billion Dollars in profit every year then creating jobs here in the US...

      Companies have been doing well financially in the US for longer then Apple has been around ...and all without off-shoring their entire operation...
      The only thing unpatriotic here is your rationale. This country was founded by people trying to get out from the the thumb of government, and prosper for themselves. You lost all credibility when you said how much money is too much. No company NEEDS a single penny of profit. But without it why would anybody go into business. It is thinking like yours that has destroyed a once prospering nation, and filled it with beggars.