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    "Recently, Apple employee Greg Joswiak gave an interview with PC Magazine about the new iPod Touch and the Apple iPhone. In this interview Joswiak stated that Apple was taking a neutral stance on 3rd party native application development that has, and is currently taking place for the iPhone and now the iPod Touch.
    This was great news to us all.

    Unfortunately, hours after this interview was published online, Joswiak contacted PC Magazine to "update" and "clear up" Apple's position on 3rd party application development for both devices. In his follow-up Joswiak says that future software updates will most likely break native 3rd party apps.

    It is for that reason that we, the iPhone and iPod Touch community, wish to present this open letter and petition to Steve Jobs and all of Apple, Inc.

    We wish to simply ask that you do not break native 3rd party applications in future software/firmware updates. We are not asking for support for the 3rd party native apps, and we are not even asking for an official SDK. We are simply asking that you do not break the ability we currently have to create and run these native applications. While we are asking that you not intentionally break any of these "features"/abilities, we are also asking that you make at least some effort to ensure that none of these "features"/abilities break with upcoming updates.

    We see the 3rd party iPhone/iPod Touch development community as just that, a community of your customers who are gathering together to expand on, and improve the amazing and revolutionary product(s) that you have brought us.
    We also believe that our efforts only increase the "cool factor" of the iPhone and iPod Touch and only make the product(s) easier to sell. Many of us have been able to convince people we known to purchase the iPhone and/or iPod Touch by showing them the wonderful features that you have provided by default, and then sealing the deal by also showing them all the 3rd party work that is being done.

    We hope our work will bring more revenue to your company, and only ask in return that you continue to let us do what we are doing and create attractive, useful, and fun applications that make the iPhone and iPod Touch without a doubt the best product(s) of their kind on the market today and with both of our work, the market to come.

    Thank you for your time, and your consideration.

    Signed,

    The iPhone and iPod Touch Community "
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Keep Native Apps on the iPhone started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 118 Comments
    1. Dash-2's Avatar
      Dash-2 -
      Signed!
      =D

      Though IE didn't work for me, had to use firefox.
    1. kdbdallas's Avatar
      kdbdallas -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dash-2 View Post
      Signed!
      =D

      Though IE didn't work for me, had to use firefox.
      I guess I should have tested it in IE before sending it to cash... Thats what I get for being a mac guy I guess :-) I will give it a test and send cash an update.

      OK I have sent IE friendly code to cash. Should be up soon

      Oh I hate IE.... Not wanting to spend the time debugging IE from parallels I went away from the proper JavaScript separation and added some inline JS. I know, I know, inline JS is so last year. But come on... spend my time on that or creating a new iPhone native app??? I think I made the right decision.
    1. dapengi's Avatar
      dapengi -
      Signed.
    1. dinky's Avatar
      dinky -
      Agreed and signed!
    1. savemefromtears's Avatar
      savemefromtears -
      Signed!
    1. bjrnbuse's Avatar
      bjrnbuse -
      signed... =) All I want is mail on Touch and it would make my world =)
    1. lifesmymachine's Avatar
      lifesmymachine -
      signed..

      heres to the friendly hacking community, may you stay one step ahead of big corporations (at least for harmless things like phone modifications....)
    1. GreggSymington's Avatar
      GreggSymington -
      why don't we wait for our $100 dollars back before we ruffle feathers?
    1. coorspate's Avatar
      coorspate -
      signed!
      hear us apple... we give you money for your stuff.
    1. envision's Avatar
      envision -
      Signed!!!!

      Imagine the iphone if there was no development
    1. ijustin's Avatar
      ijustin -
      Signed! =

      I love my iphone and it would be boring without the 3rd Party apps
    1. damiang's Avatar
      damiang -
      Signed

      Outside development expands the usefulness and desirability (sales) of the device. Limitations and restrictions breed contempt (Microsoft)
    1. iPhone1118's Avatar
      iPhone1118 -
      Signed

      It was worth the extra 200 to get it on day 1.
      Please don't take away our apps.

      i have convinced at least 2 people to buy iphones after showing them that they could play the original Super Mario Brothers
    1. TOXiN's Avatar
      TOXiN -
      signed and a true believer in 3rd party apps !!! keep them alive! also as someone said.. iv convinced a few people also just by showing off some random tricks with 3rd party apps .. hint hint ;0
    1. Boosty's Avatar
      Boosty -
      Signed, I think we need to really get this out there though( "there" being the vast reaches of the internet)

      I mean, a couple hundred people saying not to ruin our mods, compared to the now 1 million iphones that have sold....
    1. riassan's Avatar
      riassan -
      Signed!!

      without third party apps the iphone wouldn't be revolutionary as it is already and beyond coming with more and more to offer out of the iphone then imaginable.
    1. eg6motion's Avatar
      eg6motion -
      signed, I would sell the iphone if it were not for 3rd party apps...its too boring and locked down out of the box.
    1. Jimbo's Avatar
      Jimbo -
      NOT SIGNED

      Everyone seems to be missing the point of what was stated. Future releases of firmware will obviously be different from what we have now, bugs will be fixed, features added, etc. It is entirely likely that something, somewhere, will break a 3rd party app. Nobody is saying that this is intentional, just stating the fact that it's likely to happen. Apple cannot be responsible for making sure that all 3rd party apps continue to run as expected, that just isn't reasonable.

      I view that news that 3rd party apps, as they are now, are likely to break as GREAT news. That means that Apple still has loads of things they want to do with the iPhone, improving libraries, adding features, etc.

      Windows folks, do you expect all apps built for Windows 98 to run under Vista? Mac folks, do you still expect apps build for OS X 10.0 to run under 10.5?

      OS versions change all the time, and 3rd party developers release new versions that are compatible, take advantage of new features, etc. That's how things will continue to be with the iPhone.

      When the rumored GSM version of the iPhone ships, will the firmware on this be different enough that it will break some apps? Probably. Look down the road a bit further, this version of the iPhone will at some point be replaced by something better, an iPhone 2.0, or whatever. Maybe a new processor, maybe it'll have GPS, allow for Bluetooth input devices, any of a number of things that folks haven't even considered yet. The apps we have now will probably need revision for the new device.

      The iPhone has been shipping for under 3 months, folks have barely scratched the surface of what can be done on the iPhone. Take a look at all the apps that still have version numbers that begin with '0.', take a look at the various hacks and tools that are no longer useful because better tools have come along.

      Let Apple do its job and perfect the iPhone, the 3rd party folks will do just fine keeping up.
    1. Criss's Avatar
      Criss -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
      NOT SIGNED

      Everyone seems to be missing the point of what was stated. Future releases of firmware will obviously be different from what we have now, bugs will be fixed, features added, etc. It is entirely likely that something, somewhere, will break a 3rd party app. Nobody is saying that this is intentional, just stating the fact that it's likely to happen. Apple cannot be responsible for making sure that all 3rd party apps continue to run as expected, that just isn't reasonable.

      I view that news that 3rd party apps, as they are now, are likely to break as GREAT news. That means that Apple still has loads of things they want to do with the iPhone, improving libraries, adding features, etc.

      Windows folks, do you expect all apps built for Windows 98 to run under Vista? Mac folks, do you still expect apps build for OS X 10.0 to run under 10.5?

      OS versions change all the time, and 3rd party developers release new versions that are compatible, take advantage of new features, etc. That's how things will continue to be with the iPhone.

      When the rumored GSM version of the iPhone ships, will the firmware on this be different enough that it will break some apps? Probably. Look down the road a bit further, this version of the iPhone will at some point be replaced by something better, an iPhone 2.0, or whatever. Maybe a new processor, maybe it'll have GPS, allow for Bluetooth input devices, any of a number of things that folks haven't even considered yet. The apps we have now will probably need revision for the new device.

      The iPhone has been shipping for under 3 months, folks have barely scratched the surface of what can be done on the iPhone. Take a look at all the apps that still have version numbers that begin with '0.', take a look at the various hacks and tools that are no longer useful because better tools have come along.

      Let Apple do its job and perfect the iPhone, the 3rd party folks will do just fine keeping up.

      It's not that we're saying they will intentionally break apps. I think the real point of what Apple was saying is that they will be locking the phone back down so that we are unable to do these custom apps and things we have been doing. So we end up playing the age old game of cat and mouse looking for loopholes to install apps.

      **Illegal Disclaimer**
      It's kinda like the whole satellite tv piracy thing. They play cat and mouse over locking and unlocking the channels almost on a daily basis, until it gets the point where it's so secure people lose interest and just start paying for it.
      **End Illegal Analogy**

      So you see this is what we want to avoid. Sure firmware updates will inevitably break apps, but they don't have to lock up every hole we find to make our lives a living hell. What our open letter is getting at is more like a "please don't lock it down tight as a drum and let us still do things" suggestion.

      oh, and Signed.
    1. gnatural's Avatar
      gnatural -
      signed...
      GC