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  • You MAY NOT Sync Without iTunes

    Some people don't like iTunes. Some other people decided to start discussing how to sync music to their libraries on the iPhone and iPod Touch without iTunes. Some more folks at Apple decided that iTunes must be the only option and shut down development discussion for syncing without iTunes.

    Users over at Bluwiki were having discussions on a few pages about how to sync media onto the iPhone and iPod Touch from sources other than iTunes. According to the Apple lawyers these discussions violated the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) which is in place to stop the writing of code and sharing of information that could potentially be used to bypass copyright protection (funny that Apple is getting rid of DRM at the same time).

    From Apple to Bluwiki (click here for more emails):
    Mr. Odio:

    We represent Apple Inc. ("Apple"). It has come to our attention that a
    website you operate, www.bluwiki.com, is disseminating information
    designed to circumvent Apple's FairPlay digital rights management
    system. This information is available at

    FairPlay is considered anti-circumvention technology under the Digital
    Millennium Copyright Act. The DMCA explicitly prohibits the
    dissemination of information that can be used to circumvent such

    Apple therefore requests that you immediately disable the thread at
    http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash. Please notify me by reply e-mail once
    you have done so, and feel free to contact me if you have any questions.


    /s/ Ian Ramage
    Unfortunately for all of you interested in syncing media from places other than iTunes Bluwiki has complied to Apple's demands and taken down the pages as requested by Apple. On the plus side it is possible that discussion may be able to resume in the future since the Electronic Frontier Foundation has agreed to represent Bluwiki on the matter.

    This is also bad news for those of us that have been watching the progress of PwnPlayer eagerly. A possible future update to PwnPlayer would include the ability to sync music downloaded via dtunes or mewseek into your iTunes Music library on the iPhone. Undoubtedly if that feature was ever completed PwnPlayer would become a target in Apple's legal sites for the same reasons mentioned above

    thanks Derrick for the tip!
    This article was originally published in forum thread: You MAY NOT Sync Without iTunes started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 33 Comments
    1. swpelchat's Avatar
      swpelchat -
      isnt this infringment on there right to free speech? i would think so.
    1. solarstar101's Avatar
      solarstar101 -
      apple likes to control everything

    1. f_itunes's Avatar
      f_itunes -
      this is awful, i personally can't stand itunes. it does so many trivial things so *** backwards. like when i drag and drop an album dir to the library to import it it will add duplicates if the directory has a playlist file in it. that is just the very tip of the iceberg with itunes though. the whole replace when syncing thing is just beyond me, you'd think it would be easier and more logical to add. hitting the sync button scares me as i'm never sure what it's actually doing.

      i paid for the damn phone let me use it how i god damn want.
    1. jrentzke's Avatar
      jrentzke -
      Quote Originally Posted by f_itunes View Post
      i paid for the damn phone let me use it how i god damn want.
      amen to that!
    1. SmartAlx's Avatar
      SmartAlx -
      But Apple's position (that the aim of the discussion is about circumventing DRM) is frivolous. It's patently untrue. I can circumvent DRM and still use iTunes. They are completely unrelated. This argument is not only frivolous, it is also logically fallacious. Hopefully the Electronic Frontier Foundation will let Bluwiki know this and encourage them to put the discussion back up.

      And yes, this is an infringement on our rights of free speech. And to you scoffers that say our right to free speech is a protection to keep the government from infringing on our rights, who would Apple use if this website ignored their demand? The courts. That's the government. So this most certainly infringes on our rights. I would counter-sue Apple if they tried to make good on their threat. As an American Citizen, I can talk about anything on the internet, even overthrowing the government.
    1. Amadomon's Avatar
      Amadomon -
      Check out gtkPod for Ubuntu-- does everything iTunes does.
    1. LeeDude's Avatar
      LeeDude -
      Quote Originally Posted by cricketlang View Post
      whatever. apple just keeps getting worse and worse with thier crap.They just refuse to accept that people may want something different. could you immagine buying a car and having the manufacturer tell you that you cant to anything to the car or take it anywhere else for repairs....even though you bought the car. Apple needs to get over this crap. not likely gonnna happen but these are the things i use in defense when people tell me macs are better than pc's. take your macs and your apple products....and love them...and bow down to what apple tells you. you see mac users arent becoming less and less unique with no chance for diversity (other than the fact they use a mac) everything is so locked down. Apple is literally trying to OWN its customers. I cant really express my real feelings about this whole thing because that would not be appropriate here but just know that apple gets a giant thumbs down and frown from me.

      "It just works".......because they are the only ones allowed to make it work THIER way
      In a way, cars used to be the same way. Manufacturers -can- void your warranty if you take your car elsewhere for repairs (especially the expensive fancy racing types, such as my personal favorite, the Viper. ) In fact, it was difficult to do anything to your car until a bill was passed to allow aftermarket upgrades, such as in-dash peripherals for cd-players and mp3-players and the like.

      Now the real question is this: If someone was able to get a bill passed for a car, could the same be done for a digital device such as an mp3 player? I am heavy on Xbox-modding, and M$ just laid down another ban-hammer on a lot of people. Unfortunately, not all modding is a bad thing. Some people actually do like playing BACKUP copies of their games, to avoid ruining the actual product. I think that could pose a liable argument that may hold up in courts. Guess we just need to give this time, and wait for someone to step in who is willing to fight hard. Then, we might see companies like Apple and M$ needing to back down.

      With that said, I'm glad to hear about Apple at least making an effort to get DRM-Free. But will this mean that you can at least sync your iPod/iPhone with other computers as a "guest"? That's the HUGE advantage I have with my Zune over my iPhone. I can take my Zune and wirelessly sync it with my library, and then go to my friends house, and get music off his computer as a "guest". Re-sync with my library, and not lose any of his stuff. I think if it wasn't for the iPhone at all, I would ditch Apple and stick with the Microsoft Zune. Everything about it, IMO, surpasses the other iPod models (except MAYBE the Touch, which is lacking hard drive space).
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by f_itunes View Post

      i paid for the damn phone let me use it how i god damn want.
      Actually you're paying to use the phone. You don't really own it.
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      actually there is a free, alternative to iTunes, and it is called sharepod. I talked about it in another post some time ago.

      So far the developer has been able to remove media from the ipod touch and iphone, but not been able to upload.

      He has been quite succesful on all the other ipods, except for the nano i think it is (the one without the screen).

      Check him out: SharePod

      Apple can want all they want, but that doesn't mean they are going to get.

      There are more of you, then there are more of them.

      Oh, and I think there is an iTunes equivalent on Ubuntu... I remember seeing somewhere in the repos.
    1. Sproch's Avatar
      Sproch -
      Quote Originally Posted by f_itunes View Post
      i paid for the damn phone let me use it how i god damn want.
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Actually you're paying to use the phone. You don't really own it.
      For the 3G, yes. For those of us who stuck with the 1st gen iPhone? Not so much.

      I literally "paid for the damn phone" and own it outright, no subsidy here.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Other than the fact that iTunes is slow as hell and ugly as all get out...it works for what I need it for. Restoring.

      Hopefully Apple didn't skin all of their apps with the same GUI as iTunes.
    1. alexevo's Avatar
      alexevo -
      Quote Originally Posted by groundedsst View Post
      Looks like they may need to contact these people

      they can use the DaVinci virus to take down the system.
      Wheres Angelina "Acid Burn" Jolie in that pic? or was this before she "busted" them on her ibm/mac laptop?
    1. Kelly.Baxton's Avatar
      Kelly.Baxton -
      Maybe you should try an iTunes alternative as shown below:

      iPod Managers, iPhone Managers, iPod Touch Managers, iTouch Managers without iTunes

      Personally, I use the freeware CTManager