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    A Catholic bishop has approved Confession: A Roman Catholic App, to allow Catholic iPhone users examine their consciences before seeing a priest. Though there's a clear explanation in the app's download page, and Bishop Kevin Rhoades of the Diocese of Fort Wayne, Indiana in the USA explained that it cannot replace the actual Sacrament of Reconciliation, some news accounts suggested you could "confess by iPhone." The Vatican's press secretary released an official statement today confirming that "one cannot speak in any way of confessing via iPhone."

    The developer, Patrick Leinen of developer Little iApps, said that he wrote the app "to invite Catholics to engage in their faith through digital technology." He claims it has already helped one person come back to the church after 20 years away. It's designed to be used in the confessional, as an aid to people who were not raised in the Church's traditions or have forgotten them after a long absence. For example, it prompts the user for the correct response when the priest says "give thanks to the Lord for he is good," which is to say "For his mercy endures forever." The app also walks the user through questions about actions that are contrary to the teachings of the Church, organized using the Ten Commandments.

    Despite the fact that the app's iTunes page explains that "it does not and can not take the place of confessing before a validly ordained Roman Catholic priest in a Confessional, in person, either face to face, or behind the screen," there were some reports that the Bishop's imprimatur meant you could receive absolution using this app. When Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See Press Office, said that the app is "by no means a substitute for the sacrament," this was also mixed up, with headlines like "Vatican bans Confession via iPhone." However, Father Lombardi clearly explained in his statement that "in a world in which many people use computer support for reading and reflection, digital technology can be useful in the preparation for confession."

    In addition to the many mistaken reports, there was also some inevitable snickering by some commentators about using the app's categorizing of sins as a "to-do list." You don't have to share the dev's beliefs, of course, but it doesn't hurt anybody to be a little respectful. This seems to be a well-intentioned effort to help Catholics connect with their tradition. Confession: A Roman Catholic App is $1.99 on the iOS App Store.

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Confusion About Confession App started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 220 Comments
    1. rj5570's Avatar
      rj5570 -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      Well why don't you try prove that the Catholic Church is bankrupt so? Hmmm?
      Useless debate, if things keep going the way they are going, we will all be bankrupt LOL. (according to Glen Beck LOL)

      The money doesnt go to the Church. The church didnt write it. Its an app developed by www.littleiapps.com

      Its no difference if I write a book, an App or make a movie about the Catholic Church, faith etc. and a Bishop or the USCCB found that what I had created supports the teachings of the church. End of story. The Catholic Church isnt getting a dime for this. It is a developer.

      Hope that helps.

      And no I am not the developer, I can barely write basic code on a Commodore 64 LOL
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Then why are all the churches millions of dollars in debt? Sorry but your theory doesn't fit reality. And why do they use wine? Why don't they just go cheap and use grape juice? Why are the cathedrals adorned? Why do the priests have robes in many different colors for different parts of the year? Why? Doesn't sound like it's to save or make money to me.
      My Church isn't in debt at all, and we've got a pretty decent population
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      My Church isn't in debt at all, and we've got a pretty decent population
      Ok so not ALL of them are in debt. But I still say my last post squashes this argument. Churches that are in debt aren't making or saving money in ways obvious to businessmen.
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      My church is in the hole over 2,000,000 dollars last I checked. An organization meant for money-making should be optimized FOR money-making. Using wine instead of grape juice isn't exactly cost-effective.
      So your entire idea that the Catholic Church is bankrupt is based on your local Church being in debt. That's like saying Apple is bankrupt because one Apple Store is making a loss.

      Churches might work differently over there in the U.S. but in Ireland they are not "money-making organisations", here your local Church relies completely on community donations.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      So your entire idea that the Catholic Church is bankrupt is based on your local Church being in debt. That's like saying Apple is bankrupt because one Apple Store is making a loss.

      Churches might work differently over there in the U.S. but in Ireland they are not "money-making organisations", here your local Church relies completely on community donations.
      You're right. But please explain why churches that are in debt aren't taking obvious measures to save/make money.
    1. rj5570's Avatar
      rj5570 -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      So your entire idea that the Catholic Church is bankrupt is based on your local Church being in debt. That's like saying Apple is bankrupt because one Apple Store is making a loss.

      Churches might work differently over there in the U.S. but in Ireland they are not "money-making organisations", here your local Church relies completely on community donations.
      Amen, same in the US.
    1. thazsar's Avatar
      thazsar -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Then why are all the churches millions of dollars in debt? Sorry but your theory doesn't fit reality. And why do they use wine? Why don't they just go cheap and use grape juice? Why are the cathedrals adorned? Why do the priests have robes in many different colors for different parts of the year? Why? Doesn't sound like it's to save or make money to me.
      Not to be rude but that sounds like the Pharisees... Just sayin
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by thazsar View Post
      Not to be rude but that sounds like the Pharisees... Just sayin
      Oh well I don't have time to debate every single thing on a message board.
    1. thazsar's Avatar
      thazsar -
      ...and why would someone need or believe they need an app to confess?

      God is always listening and waiting for us to give Him some time. You can ask for forgiveness or give thanks or whatever else you wanna share!
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by thazsar View Post
      ...and why would someone need or believe they need an app to confess?

      God is always listening and waiting for us to give Him some time. You can ask for forgiveness or give thanks or whatever else you wanna share!
      I don't know I never defended the app.

      Actually, the app isn't for confessing if you read the article or even looked at the picture, it's for examining yourself to see where you have sinned. It actually sounds pretty useful.
    1. Cody Overcash's Avatar
      Cody Overcash -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      I don't know I never defended the app.
      I've been thinking for awhile, did you see that Avs/Wings game a month or so ago. I was there. Red Wings suck. What?

    1. elfboyz's Avatar
      elfboyz -
      This is like the idea of Indulgences to pay for the app
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cody Overcash View Post
      I've been thinking for awhile, did you see that Avs/Wings game a month or so ago. I was there. Red Wings suck. What?

      I don't know if I watched that one. Kinda hard to remember if it was "about a month ago"
    1. Cody Overcash's Avatar
      Cody Overcash -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      I don't know if I watched that one. Kinda hard to remember if it was "about a month ago"
      Oh, well, it was Jan 10th and avs won 5-4

      just sayin
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cody Overcash View Post
      Oh, well, it was Jan 10th and avs won 5-4

      just sayin
      Pff that's only because the air is too thin up there.

      I do happen to remember that they beat the Avs like 12-0 in the '08 playoffs though
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      You're right. But please explain why churches that are in debt aren't taking obvious measures to save/make money.
      I can't speak for every church, but a my local churches have put out pleas for extra donations especially for essential renovations are needed like repairing a roof or windows, it has forgone turning on the heating system only in the coldest weeks or months, replaced live flowers with artificial flowers. This is done in the four churches of my parish managed by two priests.

      Churches that are in serious debt obviously have been badly managed or have suffered a significant drop in attendance, which many have. Again, I can only speak for Irish Churches, majority of the weekly offerings go to the upkeep of the Church buildings and parochial house(s), then one weekend at Easter and one at Christmas goes to the priest themselves, to pay for food, petrol and whatever other expenses for the year, so they only get two pay-days a year. I really don't know what your Church spends its money on to be 2million in debt.

      Also, many would see replacing sacramental wine with grape juice as blasphemous, would you replace the eucharist with doritos too? It's probably the cheapest cost a church has.
    1. Captinsmooth's Avatar
      Captinsmooth -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      My church is in the hole over 2,000,000 dollars last I checked. An organization meant for money-making should be optimized FOR money-making. Using wine instead of grape juice isn't exactly cost-effective. And you don't see churches cutting costs by selling the adornments or using juice either. I know if I were a business I sure would! Why are you guys bent on saying it's for money-making anyway? I don't say that Baptists are meant for some ulterior motive, I just don't believe in everything they teach. And one guy trying to make money off of an app doesn't prove much.
      2$ million in debt, to whom is this debt owed? If they are in that kind of debt there presence would cease to exists in your community. Catholic Churches survive off donations from their congregation and organizational charities, along with living cost allowance paid by the Vatican if needed. I don't see how they could be in this kind of debt, unless they had to pay in a law suite, like many other catholic dioceses have had to in the past years....
    1. Cody Overcash's Avatar
      Cody Overcash -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Pff that's only because the air is too thin up there.

      I do happen to remember that they beat the Avs like 12-0 in the '08 playoffs though
      I remember the first game the Avs ever played here in Denver we beat the redwings 3-2

      just sayin
    1. Captinsmooth's Avatar
      Captinsmooth -
      The other thing this app screams false idol...wtf lol
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      I can't speak for every church, but a my local churches have put out pleas for extra donations especially for essential renovations are needed like repairing a roof or windows, it has forgone turning on the heating system only in the coldest weeks or months, replaced live flowers with artificial flowers. This is done in the four churches of my parish managed by two priests.

      Churches that are in serious debt obviously have been badly managed or have suffered a significant drop in attendance, which many have. Again, I can only speak for Irish Churches, majority of the weekly offerings go to the upkeep of the Church buildings and parochial house(s), then one weekend at Easter and one at Christmas goes to the priest themselves, to pay for food, petrol and whatever other expenses for the year, so they only get two pay-days a year. I really don't know what your Church spends its money on to be 2million in debt.

      Also, many would see replacing sacramental wine with grape juice as blasphemous, would you replace the eucharist with doritos too? It's probably the cheapest cost a church has.
      No I'm not saying they should, but they that they would if they only wanted to make money. It may have been 200,000 in debt, that sounds more reasonable. I'm not really sure. But either way it doesn't seem that the Catholic Church exists only to make money. Where people get that is beyond me.