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    Thank you Obama. While I tend to lean a little right during presidential elections my vote has been swinging back and forth between you and McCain so far this election. In fact I do have a minor lack of confidence latey in Palin as the right person to lead this country in the case that McCain's health fails (hes old with some health issues ya know) and it was going to make Election '08 a tough choice for me.

    My day goes something like this. Phone calls right when I wake up feeding me some one-sided view. On the way to work I ride the light rail and read the newspaper, usually containing some biased opinion about you or McCain which I attempt to avoid reading. Some more phone calls from one side or the other trying to get my vote. Then I go to lunch. Walking down the outdoor mall to buy food I get harassed by nice young people (usually from the democratic party) telling me whatever BS sounds nice trying to win over my vote. Then I go back to work and usually have a phone call or two from friends where we discuss the election (the only time I actually have an enlightened conversation concerning politics). Ride home on light rail . . . alright I wont go on the trend continues

    I hear and see lopsided views concerning Election '08 all day long. Political parties are getting way too invasive into life. I didn't ask for phone calls. I didn't ask to be chased down the street. I didn't ask for a freaking AppStore app.

    I see you have published a nice little app. I must admit that it is well done and feature rich. I also will concede that it was most likely a great move by your team. I wish I has thought of it and sold you the idea.



    Now I can get my Obama fix easily and conveniently from my phone with your very clean app. I can watch videos on youtube, read some news, subscribe to your txt msg and email updates, figure out where the local dems are holding events, read your policies on the issues, sign up to work for you (for free), and even call my friends in battleground states to force my political views on with the awesome battle ground state contact call list. If that isn't enough I can also choose to give you money!

    Get out of my phone Obama. Your app annoys me. Politicians already push their policies and agendas in enough mediums during election time. Campaign propaganda is unavoidable. I shiver at the thought that minor local candidates for future elections may follow in your footsteps and flood the AppStore with biased crap.

    This kind of thing doesn't belong on the AppStore from either party or any candidate. Yes I realize I don't have to download it but I don't feel that it needs to be there in the first place. Thank you Apple for rejecting solid apps like Podcaster (don't worry we have you covered) while allowing the AppStore to be flooded with countless numbers of countdown apps, tip calculators, other mindless crap, and now propaganda direct from Politicians.

    /rant

    while discussion is encouraged here, if you can't help but post things insulting people for their political beliefs then kindly do not post.

    Oh yeah and to all the devs, designers, and management that made this app happen: Raven Zachary, Jason Grigsby, Jonathan Wight, Lyza Gardner, Aileen Jeffries, John Keith, Dom Sagolla, Mike Lee, Louie Mantia, Tristan O’Tierney. Very well done. Creative way to support your candidate of choice and I'm impressed. I'm not fond of this avenue being opened as a possibility for Politicians to campaign. Or maybe I'm jealous. Either way well executed app.

    edit: I see ads on my site that I have never seen before since I typically avoid politics when I post. I see Election '08 ads. I almost regret writing this post.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Politicians Get OUT OF MY IPHONE started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 135 Comments
    1. zues79's Avatar
      zues79 -
      Quote Originally Posted by stfudvs View Post


      yea thats a channel dedicated to obama
      i am switching from dish tv to direct tv just because of it

      Dish Network Now Has An Obama Channel | NewsBusters.org
      Wow you must not have a life, you're gonna switch just because of that??? In a little over a month that station wont even exist, if so DONT WATCH IT people like you are so dumb and ignorant.
    1. chrismja's Avatar
      chrismja -
      Someone said earlier in this post that Palin was unqualified as a vice president (keep in mind, that's second in command), but you think Obama is qualified to be president (first in command)? What a joke! I agree with Grip- I'm voting experience!

      BTW....I hear all this about Obama bringing change, but I hope people will keep in mind that not all change is good. If you lost your job tomorrow, that would be a change......

      Also, NArush said that 8 years of Bush were enough.....did anyone spend their tax rebate check besides me?
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by chrismja View Post
      Someone said earlier in this post that Palin was unqualified as a vice president (keep in mind, that's second in command), but you think Obama is qualified to be president (first in command)? What a joke! I agree with Grip- I'm voting experience!
      Obama may not have the experience senator McCain has, there's no contest about that. But he has shown time after time that he has what it take to run a country. Even something as simple as seeing how the campaigns have been managed gives you an insight into their leadership. He has shown the qualities that we need in a president. But if you want to brand yourself a single-issue voter (experience in this case), then yes you would be correct in voting for John McCain, who has vast more experience (26 years in fact), but just like you said about change, not all experience is good. When all your experience leads you to making wrong decisions, then that experience isn't worth as much. His continued standing regarding Iran, his delusion about Iraq and to a lesser extend Afghanistan, his complete lack of knowledge regarding the economy and technology, his very oppressive conservative views against women's rights and homosexuals, and many other examples show that he has experiences in all the wrong areas that a president living in the 21st century need.
    1. ghandioncesaid's Avatar
      ghandioncesaid -
      In case it wasnt noticed before in the sea of uneducated responses... This should clear a ton of thing up, keep THIS out of the White House:

      "Uh, that alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side the land uh boundary that have with uh Canada. We if our... our next door neighbors are foreign countries, they're in the state that I am the executive of, and because they are right there they are right next to um to we we do. It's very important when... when you consider even national security issues with Russia as uh uh carrot? I don't know. Ya know?"

      -Sarah Palin 2008
    1. chrismja's Avatar
      chrismja -
      well, let's just agree to disagree then. That is not the only reason i'm voting for McCain, but rather one of many. As far as your other comments, I could sit here and debate them with you for days. I actually have friends and family members in Iraq and they say we are absolutely doing the right thing, and many of them have reinlisted to go back over there if need be. As it tends to be with the liberal media, people only see (most of the time), the negative and not the positive things happening over there. Don't get me wrong, I have close friends and coworkers who are Obama supporters, so we just agree to disagree and still be good friends!
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Oh boy here we go MORE INACCURACIES.

      Regarding Payroll Tax: The payroll tax increase proposed by Senator Obama is the elimination of the income ceiling, so that all wage earners pay the same percentage of their gross wages to the Social Security account. I pay 6.2% of all my wages to Social Security, but someone who earns more than approximately $95,000, only pays 6.2% on that $95,000 and the rest of their income, no matter how great, is exempt from Social Security taxes. So in other words, he's making people making over 95,000 pay just like the rest of everyone who doesn't make as much.

      Gains Tax: Yes, Obama has proposed increasing the gains tax to what it was BEFORE. It was reduced to 15% by I think Bush, but don't quote me on that. To add more to it, he plans to increase it to 20% (5% increase) for 10 years then finalize it at 28% which was the norm. I'll be honest and say I don't know much about what gains tax do/are, but I can tell you that saying "Obama will increase them" is wrong as he is simply eliminating the failed Bush economic policies.

      EDIT: Wikipedia just confirmed it, it was Bush who lowered the tax in the first place and that will expire in 2010 unless revised before then (which is what Obama is doing)

      How are we paying for this?!?!?!: Yes, Obama has a bold spending plan. There's a lot that he wants to do. Will he get to it all? Probably not. Does his plan make sense as it stands? Well let's ask a bunch of economists:
      Examining America's presidential candidates | Examining the candidates | The Economist

      I'm trying to find it, but another article tests both hypothetical plans taking into account tax increases/decreases, proposed spending, and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo from both candidate's platform. The result? McCain FAILED, Obama PASSED. His plan is ambitious but it makes sense and its doable. I will mention here that McCain's plan took some slight liberties becasue unlike Obama, he has not released a complete detailed economic plan. If you think Obama's proposed spending is bad, I don't know how you can't think McCain is worse given he doesn't even try to justify his spending.

      I will say this, the bailout puts a big rock in both candidates plan and don't be surprised if they make changes to certain aspects of it, it's necessary at this point.

      I will also say this. Both candidates would be good presidents. I'm leaning (obviously) towards Obama, but I admire McCain for who he is. He's a hero and no one can say otherwise. However, the campaign he has chosen to run has been full of deceit, lies, and mistrust. It's sad really because a year or so ago I would have said McCain had it in the bag when Obama/Clinton were still fighting each other. Obama isn't perfect either, his vote for FISA puts some serious doubt in my mind. Biden's record when it comes to digital media is quite, quite alarming. But the fact is, when all the cards have been shown, Obama/Biden really are the best choice there is. What little chance McCain had drained away by picking Palin who is so unqualified I won't even talk about it.

      final, final note: I'm sorry if I derailed this thread into full-blown politics. If anyone still would like to discuss this, feel free to send me a private message. And if you want to post here (don't see why not) don't let my moderator status scare you or think I'll just shove you in a dark corner. I'm just another poster when it comes to opinion, I have no right to impede you from telling your opinion (as long as it's properly presented of course, no insults and such)
      Regarding Payroll Tax: The payroll tax increase proposed by Senator Obama is the elimination of the income ceiling, so that all wage earners pay the same percentage of their gross wages to the Social Security account. I pay 6.2% of all my wages to Social Security, but someone who earns more than approximately $95,000, only pays 6.2% on that $95,000 and the rest of their income, no matter how great, is exempt from Social Security taxes. So in other words, he's making people making over 95,000 pay just like the rest of everyone who doesn't make as much.

      What is wrong with capping Social Security? Besides they can only draw benefits from $95,000 worth of contributions. It is not like they will be utilizing any more Social Security.

      Gains Tax: Yes, Obama has proposed increasing the gains tax to what it was BEFORE. It was reduced to 15% by I think Bush, but don't quote me on that. To add more to it, he plans to increase it to 20% (5% increase) for 10 years then finalize it at 28% which was the norm. I'll be honest and say I don't know much about what gains tax do/are, but I can tell you that saying "Obama will increase them" is wrong as he is simply eliminating the failed Bush economic policies.

      EDIT: Wikipedia just confirmed it, it was Bush who lowered the tax in the first place and that will expire in 2010 unless revised before then (which is what Obama is doing)

      A capital gains tax is a tax charged on the profit made from a sale of a property and stocks, and bonds. That’s why I brought up the point of elderly people who are downgrading their home to move into something smaller and to save on property taxes from a cheaper house are going to get hit hard on the sale. How is that fair? If your parents worked their entire life and paid their mortgage on time for 30 years and at the end their nest egg was taxed to death that would be devastating. And just because the tax rate was at a certain level during one administration does not make it the “norm” as you call it. Furthermore a lot of Americans own stocks and bonds. If you buy low and sell high, the profit is capital gain and is subject to Obama’s higher tax rate. Do you have a 401k or any investments that would be subject to this?

      How are we paying for this?!?!?!: Yes, Obama has a bold spending plan. There's a lot that he wants to do. Will he get to it all? Probably not. Does his plan make sense as it stands? Well let's ask a bunch of economists:
      Examining America's presidential candidates | Examining the candidates | The Economist

      I'm trying to find it, but another article tests both hypothetical plans taking into account tax increases/decreases, proposed spending, and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo from both candidate's platform. The result? McCain FAILED, Obama PASSED. His plan is ambitious but it makes sense and its doable. I will mention here that McCain's plan took some slight liberties becasue unlike Obama, he has not released a complete detailed economic plan. If you think Obama's proposed spending is bad, I don't know how you can't think McCain is worse given he doesn't even try to justify his spending.

      I found this part very funny. I won’t argue with you here cause we could go back and forth all day with studies that agreed with our view. You are just a CNN watcher and I am a FOX News watcher. No big deal.

      I will say this, the bailout puts a big rock in both candidates plan and don't be surprised if they make changes to certain aspects of it, it's necessary at this point.

      You are correct about them having to give up on some portions of their spending plans. You have to admit that Obama’s spending plan is far larger than McCain’s. What I didn’t like the other night was that neither would talk about what they would cut or at least give us a priority list. Obama can’t continue promising without being straight with what might be on the chopping block.


      I will also say this. Both candidates would be good presidents. I'm leaning (obviously) towards Obama, but I admire McCain for who he is. He's a hero and no one can say otherwise. However, the campaign he has chosen to run has been full of deceit, lies, and mistrust. It's sad really because a year or so ago I would have said McCain had it in the bag when Obama/Clinton were still fighting each other. Obama isn't perfect either, his vote for FISA puts some serious doubt in my mind. Biden's record when it comes to digital media is quite, quite alarming. But the fact is, when all the cards have been shown, Obama/Biden really are the best choice there is. What little chance McCain had drained away by picking Palin who is so unqualified I won't even talk about it.

      What I love about Palin is that she is true conservative like none I have seen in a long time. That is why a lot of people hate her. I don’t need a leader who knows everything about everything but I do need a leader who will be straight with me and has the same core values.

      Happy Noodle I appreciate the conversation. I don’t mind disagreeing with someone when I feel like they at least have an educated opinion and not the “No Way, No How, No McCain” people. We are just coming from different places. We will agree to disagree as they say.
      Peace
    1. LeeDude's Avatar
      LeeDude -


      So I think we should just all move to Australia. Who's in?

      But on another side note, I think there are some misunderstandings in some of the prior posts, with some people. I'm not going back and quoting, but someone mentioned on like, page 2 or 3, that at the end of the day, votes are going to be swayed based solely on race. Responses made it seem as if they thought he meant he was going to vote McCain because he's white. I don't think that's the point he was trying to get across.

      Despite how far we've come over the past several decades as far as race goes, I can see where the original comment came from. Yeah, we're not racist in here (though some people may be, I don't speak for everyone), but I honestly do think a bulk of people in the US -ARE- hesitant on voting for a black man. Uneducated votes are bad votes to make, especially when they're racist ones.

      On another note, I've noticed people bashing McCain and Palin based on their responses and half-broken sentences. I still stand by the fact that ALL politicians lie. Not a handful, or a few. or a couple, or anything short of ALL. With that said, Obama is an EXCELLENT public speaker. He's shown it on a great number of occasions. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, aren't. The only thing that bothers me is that just because you're not great at speaking, it doesn't mean you're not great at doing.

      With that said, I don't pay attention to debates. I try to avoid the media. I avoid online videos, and everything of the sort. Slandering commercials and constant bashing. That is about all election time is.

      I watched an episode of The Cleaner a few weeks ago. Forgive me for not knowing the character names, but the one main guy (x-druggy) was fighting with an x-colleague over who was going to get custody of this heroin-addicted girl, to get her clean. They turned it pretty much into a fist fight, just so they could get this girl. Then innocent old mom stands by as the one man threatens the other, and says something along the lines of "If all you're going to do is make this into a competition and fight, why do I want your help at all?" That's what elections are to me. Who can get the best shot at the other guy. Who can sound and look better on TV. Who can lie the best.

      This might sound weird, but even at the beginning of Bush's second term when his approval rating really started diving, he spent his time doing what he thought was right. He continued doing what he assured us he was going to do. The things we originally put him into office for in the first place. Once he actually did it.... his approval rating dropped. I admire Bush. He may be doing many questionable things right now, but he's still done what he told us he was going to do. Even if some people disagreed, he stuck to it, because he thought it was right.

      In regards to Cash's post, i'm with you. Considering everything I mentioned above, I'm sick of politicians because it's nothing but a mud slinging fight. I'm not saying this application if anything but the opposite, though I do think politics have their own place, and they're already invasive enough as it is. Sure, we have the option to download or not to download. But just seeing anything political on the screen irritates me. And i'm sure many of you will agree the same with seeing political ads at the top of websites. Good post Cash. Viva la Australia.
    1. 461am's Avatar
      461am -
      Quote Originally Posted by kryptedak View Post
      obama ===== anit-christ dont you ppl get it......bible predicts....mid 40's,socialistic marker..(good at speaking to the ppl), he is from muslim decsent.......
      WHAT THE F'UCK?
      You are a complete idiot. Do us all a favor and don't vote (Seriously, take the day off, stay home till it's all over.), anyone who manages to get into office with supporters like this can't possibly be good for the country.



      and



      Same thing goes for you two. Honestly, you sicken me.









      Uninformed, racist, and downright stupid. Not to mention that none of you know how to spell, but I suppose illiteracy goes hand in hand with this sort of a mentality.
    1. JacquesChirac's Avatar
      JacquesChirac -
      pshhh dude

      if you don't want this app, don't download it

      there are some people who are avid obama or mccain or nader or watever supporters and they would want one of these, so I assure you, this app's function was not in vain

      but I do think it would be in mccain's benefit to do the same

      btw I recommend we kinda clean up this blog, or get rid of it, cuz it's too polarizing

      We all favor a certain candidate and we all have our views, the more radical ones on either side of the spectrum are usually harangued the most, but I think that it would be best if we leave that to the political sites
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by chrismja View Post
      well, let's just agree to disagree then. That is not the only reason i'm voting for McCain, but rather one of many. As far as your other comments, I could sit here and debate them with you for days. I actually have friends and family members in Iraq and they say we are absolutely doing the right thing, and many of them have reinlisted to go back over there if need be. As it tends to be with the liberal media, people only see (most of the time), the negative and not the positive things happening over there. Don't get me wrong, I have close friends and coworkers who are Obama supporters, so we just agree to disagree and still be good friends!
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post

      Happy Noodle I appreciate the conversation. I don’t mind disagreeing with someone when I feel like they at least have an educated opinion and not the “No Way, No How, No McCain” people. We are just coming from different places. We will agree to disagree as they say.
      Peace
      [/I][/B]
      I thank you both. It's clear to me that both of you have done your research and aren't taken this decision lightly. I sometimes get bothered (same as you guys I'm sure) when someone throws a single talking point like if it was the end-all truth. There's no one way of running a government and people will always have different opinions. I appreciate your comments as it only makes me do more research regarding the topics. It's always hard to pick out of two people when my views of life are so varied but in the end I'm making my choice out of my own judgement the same way you guys are. Agree to disagree

      Again, thanks for bringing forth some good point, but I'm sure Cash and the rest don't want this to turn into a full blown politics thread so let's see if we can get back on topic. Like most of the useless apps out there, it's all optional so I don't have a problem with this app just as I wouldn't have a problem with an app for the other party. The easier it is to spread information around the better it is for everyone and the iPhone is an excellent platform for distributing information.
    1. neks0ne's Avatar
      neks0ne -
      ah,...the banner adds. I am switching sites now. Hopefully I see you in Tampa again.
    1. ab03's Avatar
      ab03 -
      1) Would you really have made this rant if it was mccain?

      2) Really?

      3) DON'T DOWNLOAD IT!

      4) Do you also complain about billboards you don't agree with and move to a different city?

      5) I can't believe kids care enough about the country to make you want to vote for a candidate! There is no hope for the future.

      6) Why did you download it?

      7) Thanks to the developers who developed it but the candidate (who probably had no say in developing it) sucks?

      8) I call B.S. on your day. Phone calls starting in the morning, being chased down the street? Every day? Is your phone number posted on a website? I gave my phone number to a candidate and I don't get that many phone calls. Certainly none in the morning (I think the phone callers would realize that wouldn't be the best way to sell their candidate). Perhaps you exaggerated to make a belabored point?

      9) Really, all this angst over participation in the political process? We might have the most votes cast, the most enthusiasm about an election in probably the most difficult time this country has seen in 80 years (maybe longer) and you are throwing a wet blanket on it?

      10) This has to be tongue in cheek. You are going to vote on issues like abortion, taxes, war, and healthcare because one of the candidates is modern enough to make an app? I'm not even sure the reasoning is sound since McCain will probably come out with his own app (made by some right leaning techie like yourself). He has copied every other techie thing Obama has done.
    1. zauriel's Avatar
      zauriel -
      Quote Originally Posted by zues79 View Post
      Wow you must not have a life, you're gonna switch just because of that??? In a little over a month that station wont even exist, if so DONT WATCH IT people like you are so dumb and ignorant.
      People amaze me sometimes with their atrocious logic.

      So:

      1) Guy "A" doesn't like the fact that the company he's getting satellite television from has created a channel solely dedicated to one presidential candidate and his views.

      2) Guy "A" sees this as a very biased move by said company. Guy "A' likely believes that companies shouldn't be endorsing presidential candidates, nor incorporating said candidate into the product that they collect money from Guy "A" for.

      3) Guy "A" decides that, as a matter of principle (and despite the overtly obvious fact that the channel will no longer [one can only hope] be in existence following the election) he will stop doing business with that company and take his money elsewhere.

      4) Guy "A" decides to share this company's bias with others on a politically-tinged thread in the event others are unaware.

      5) Guy "B" feels it's now appropriate to call Guy "A" both 'dumb' and 'ignorant'.

      Yeah, I think that about sums it up. Congratulations, zues79, your deduction skills are incredible. Not to mention your civility.

      As for the original post, gotta say I agree. People fail to understand that it's not that we don't get that we "just don't have to download it". We get it. It's not a hard concept to understand and we're not kindergarteners. The issue is that we don't like the idea of the app store being inundated by politicians. I won't hide my bias favoring McCain, but I'm glad that his campaign hasn't followed suit and I hope they don't. Politics are found on every other medium already; I'd rather not have to deal with it flipping through the app store.
    1. ab03's Avatar
      ab03 -
      one app, people. one app. no slippery slope, no flood gates. one app. you watch tv, spend more time on the phone, spend more time looking at people's lawns, spend more time listening to the radio, and spend more time looking at billboards, then you do browsing through apps in the appstore. a creative campaign is not a bad thing.

      EDIT: Here is a good review of the app and a good assessment of what these apps are going to do for the future of politics

      http://gizmodo.com/5058149/obama-08-...ety-perfection
    1. Muggz5's Avatar
      Muggz5 -
      To save a long-winded post, Ill simply say to the general public here. Please research very carefully, and pay close attention to what the processes are in our system of government before basing opinions and finger pointing. Rarely can you point at a President other than when he/she is the ONLY deciding vote in any matter. Congress and the money donated to canidates/parties controls our systems. Both sides have selfish motives in any decision, the key is to balance the wants/needs evenley, generally satisfying the majority of the public. It does bother me the way elections are really just a celebrity showdown, but it always has been. I think this app is ugly (in its intentions, not interface) and really shows to what lengths a party will go to win the popularity contest.

      I really dont want to state my opinion here, I just encourage you know what you all are really talking about before making such harsh and unresearched comments. I really agree with you Cash on the way I'm bombarded with political swill on an hourly basis.

      With that said, the flow of the App is really nice, I hope we can utilize these ideas for something worthwhile, instead of counting down to the Media's Money-Day.

      Note: No politicians were harmed in this post, and I approve this message.
    1. kryptedak's Avatar
      kryptedak -
      Full Name: Barack Hussein Obama////its not ment to be takin literally ....just something to toss around....
      again its not racist its the book of revelation.........its not true but nowone can prove the bible...so dont get your heart broken.....///////
      Yahaim wrote:
      Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
      1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
      2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
      3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
      4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
      5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
      6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
      7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
      8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
      9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
      Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
      Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.
      Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.
      OBAMA’S GAME IS DECEPTION AND VIOLENCE
      A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR OSAMA AND KILLER ISLAM!!
      IF OBAMA WAS NOT MUSLIM, HE WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS VP BUT A MUSLIM IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR OUR FREEDOMS TO CONSIDER.
      According to the Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuassive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destory everything. Is it OBAMA??

      Origins: Revelation (the final book of the New Testament) and Nostradamus' Prophecies are two all-purpose befuddling works. If you want to sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt (or simply yank people's chains), simply claim that some prominent person or recent event corresponds to descriptions that presage the end of the world, as elaborated by Revelation or Nostradamus. After all, comparatively few people have read either of those works; most people just have some vague idea that they describe, in detail, a coming apocalypse and the signs that will herald its imminent arrival. So pick your target, make up a list of reasons to explain how it supposedly matches up with end-of-the-world predictions, and watch the process of bewilderment begin. (We saw this happen in spades with bogus Nostradamus prophecies immediately after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.)

      The item quoted above, linking presidential candidate Barack Obama with the figure of the anti-Christ, is more of the same type of denigrative fiction. Contrary to popular belief, the New Testament book of Revelation (not "Revelations," as it is commonly rendered) does not provide a laundry list of signs for identifying the appearance of an anti-Christ. In fact, it neither uses the term "anti-Christ" nor describes such a figure — Chapter 13 of that book merely recounts the appearance of "beasts," who are depicted in animalistic terms (as rendered in the King James version of the Bible):
      And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

      And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

      And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

      And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?

      Who is able to make war with him?

      And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

      And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

      And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

      And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

      If any man have an ear, let him hear.

      He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

      And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

      And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

      And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

      And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

      And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

      And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

      And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

      Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
      The term "anti-Christ" is mentioned several times in the first and second letters of John, but none of those passages specifically describes or identifies the anti-Christ figure (other than as a denier of the divinity of Jesus):
      Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


      Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


      For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


      And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
      Nothing in the Bible — in Revelation or elsewhere — describes the anti-Christ as being "a man, in his 40s, of Muslim descent." In fact, since the book of Revelation was complete by the end of the second century, but the religion of Islam wasn't founded until about four hundred years later, the notion that Revelation would have mentioned a "Muslim" at all is rather far-fetched. (And even if it did, it couldn't be construed as a reference to Barack Obama, since Senator Obama isn't a Muslim.)

      Its not true but its kinda funny haha...
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      zauriel -
      Quote Originally Posted by ghandioncesaid View Post
      In case it wasnt noticed before in the sea of uneducated responses... This should clear a ton of thing up, keep THIS out of the White House:

      "Uh, that alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side the land uh boundary that have with uh Canada. We if our... our next door neighbors are foreign countries, they're in the state that I am the executive of, and because they are right there they are right next to um to we we do. It's very important when... when you consider even national security issues with Russia as uh uh carrot? I don't know. Ya know?"

      -Sarah Palin 2008
      Hrmm. That doesn't bother me nearly as much as the reason behind our economic woes:



      Caution: It moves quick. But that's what a pause button's for.
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      Muggz5 -
      I may align with the right, but to call the opposing party the Anti-Christ.... Christ is a philosophy anyway, there are many things "Anti-Christ" get over it and get a life.
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      chbearsrock -
      Quote Originally Posted by kryptedak View Post
      obama ===== anit-christ dont you ppl get it......bible predicts....mid 40's,socialistic marker..(good at speaking to the ppl), he is from muslim decsent.......
      Kryptedak...Your ignorance is pretty alarming. You claim that the Bible states the Anti-Christ is:
      1. A popular middle aged guy and
      2. Born of Muslim descent.

      I guess that means there are a few million other Anti-Christs out there as well. By the way...what futuristic Bible do you have access to? Quick history lesson: the religion of Islam didn't come around until the early 600's A.D. The Book of Revelations was written by Apostle John between A.D. 70 - 95. That means that unless he had a time machine that took him several hundred years into the future, he couldn't have mentioned anything about the Anti-Christ being of Muslim descent. And even if he did have a time machine, I'm fairly certain that he STILL wouldn't claim the Anti-Christ was of Muslim descent, seeing as how the definition of "Anti-Christ" is “the polar opposite and ultimate enemy of Christ," and Islam is a monotheistic religion with roots in Judaism and Christianity. I'm not sure if I would be more offended if I were a Muslim reading your post or as a Christian, but next time try to keep your bigoted little factoids to yourself.

      EDIT: Just read your other post and I see that you were just referencing the ignorance of others in your post. Didn't get that when I posted my little rant.
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      quilty -
      thanks for wasting my time by politicizing freaking iphone apps. i'm sorry you and yer iphone were butthurt...it happens to be a savvy app, although video section is slow, and prone to crashes.