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  • Apple Rejects BitTorrent Controller for iPhone for Third Party Rights Infringement!
    Apple's AppStore approval process has executed another questionable decision in the AppStore.



    Maza Digital submitted their latest offering named Drivetrain - a remote control for Transmission, a BitTorrent client - which soon got rejected with yet another questionable reason! The reply from Apple states that “this category of applications is often used for the purpose of infringing third party rights. We have chosen to not publish this type of application to the App Store.”

    As per the above statement, it seems that Apple is going to keep its doors closed for all BitTorrent related apps on the AppStore. BitTorrent clients have always been popular on all platforms (including Apple's very own Mac OSX), but Apple isn't ready to allow the whole category of BitTorrent clients or related apps to the store - even though they've been selling on Mac for years now!

    Not only do the developers believe this rejection to be "ridiculous" but also claim “a BitTorrent client or the BitTorrent protocol are not illegal (and does not infringe on third party rights),” and notes that Drivetrain itself doesn't even download anything directly but just acts as a controller.

    This rejection scenario is getting worse day by day. If we look at some recent incidents like disapproval of an update for Tweetie as it allowed the users to see foul stuff written by others and the most recent one about the NiN app rejection (that got accepted without any changes later on) which allowed users to download a podcast that has foul language.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Rejects BitTorrent Controller for iPhone for Third Party Rights Infringement! started by sayam View original post
    Comments 31 Comments
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      While this does suck, I do see where Apple is coming from. Sure bittorrent isn't illegal but lets face it. The majority of people who use bittorrent privately will at some point use it for illegal purposes. That doesn't make it right for Apple to ban its use, but I understand where they are coming from. That being said, if any of these antitrust issues end up against Apple's favor I am sure we will be seeing less lockdown of the iPhone OS itself.
    1. AutumnBoard's Avatar
      AutumnBoard -
      No app for you!



      Sound familiar?
    1. Grassmasta's Avatar
      Grassmasta -
      Quote Originally Posted by disturbedreaper View Post
      you get more free stuff thats what it acoplishes
      Good call! Hooray beer...er, free stuff!
    1. royalnewjersey's Avatar
      royalnewjersey -
      So wait... let me get this straight...

      They're (Apple) is rejecting an application that controls (not downloads) a bit torrent client (running on a separate machine) because it (supposedly) is always used to infringe on 3rd party rights (or do illegal activity)?

      That sounds like a load of crap to me. That's like saying we should ban the "Remote" app because it connects with iTunes, which may/may not be used for playing illegally downloaded music and videos....
    1. lightmaster's Avatar
      lightmaster -
      Quote Originally Posted by royalnewjersey View Post
      So wait... let me get this straight...

      They're (Apple) is rejecting an application that controls (not downloads) a bit torrent client (running on a separate machine) because it (supposedly) is always used to infringe on 3rd party rights (or do illegal activity)?

      That sounds like a load of crap to me. That's like saying we should ban the "Remote" app because it connects with iTunes, which may/may not be used for playing illegally downloaded music and videos....
      That is exactly right. Apple denied this app basically claiming that, if you download this app, you will do illegal things with it.

      This is a major fallacy: the fallacy of cause and effect.
      This fallacy is committed when a person assumes that one event must cause another just because the events occur together. More formally, this fallacy involves drawing the conclusion that A is the cause of B simply because A and B are in regular conjunction (and there is not a common cause that is actually the cause of A and B). The mistake being made is that the causal conclusion is being drawn without adequate justification.
      Source: Fallacy: Confusing Cause and Effect

      A= using an App Store app to control a bittorrent program
      B= downloading something illegal

      Just because they frequently occur at the same time, doesn't mean that A causes B. B would still happen if A was prevented.
    1. tjenvy's Avatar
      tjenvy -
      It's amazing everyone still gets all worked up over this! I (partially) understand some of Apples doing as far as explicit language (parental controls anyone?? or parents that care at all maybe) illegal stuff etc etc etc... The iPhone is an amazing platform that is the hot ticket... EVENTUALLY after some more years they will slack up on it... the app store WILL get out of control and be lax just like the music side of things... look at Palm devices... for a while in the beginning you could not get many more apps etc than what was on the device...

      BUT one thing sorta does get me... whats with all the controllers anyway... I mean, remote ehhh ok its cool, but in general not used as much since apple tv etc etc... some of the other controller type apps are almost more of a pain in the @#$ than just walking to the computer and checking on it
    1. shabz_de_don's Avatar
      shabz_de_don -
      its unfair, well its not suprising, thats why jailbreaking is the best thing that happen to the iphone!
    1. leram84's Avatar
      leram84 -
      Quote Originally Posted by lightmaster View Post
      That is exactly right. Apple denied this app basically claiming that, if you download this app, you will do illegal things with it.

      This is a major fallacy: the fallacy of cause and effect.

      Source: Fallacy: Confusing Cause and Effect

      A= using an App Store app to control a bittorrent program
      B= downloading something illegal

      Just because they frequently occur at the same time, doesn't mean that A causes B. B would still happen if A was prevented.
      This is what happens when u post on forums less than 30 minutes after your intro to philosophy class... Please refrain from discussing the possibility of a new iphones existence when u get to Descartes’ cogito.
    1. fletch33's Avatar
      fletch33 -
      Quote Originally Posted by an0ther View Post
      I cannot believe any of you are surprised this was refused. Only 1% of people who use torrents are doing something legal with them anyways. Apple is a big company and 1 wrong app could cost them millions.
      interesting? where did you get your stat?

      there is a healthy percentage of people who also use craigslist for prostitution, lying about products, filthy forum posts, etc... Apple best remove all the craigs apps as well then.

      im glad Apple is there to protect me from the possibility of doing wrong.
    1. alexevo's Avatar
      alexevo -
      Quote Originally Posted by mtj View Post
      ^^ This app is just a controller. I don't see why it's so troubling.
      The problem is I really doubt Apple approves of Transmission itself as it is a BitTorrent client that many people use to download illegally obtained files. So why would Apple then enable people to control their program that Apple doesn't like through their iPhone. It is just politics.
    1. Pistol1's Avatar
      Pistol1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by royalnewjersey View Post
      That's like saying we should ban the "Remote" app because it connects with iTunes, which may/may not be used for playing illegally downloaded music and videos....
      Quite right. Basically, Apple should ban their own iPhone because there is all sorts of dodgy things you can already use it for.

      Quote Originally Posted by lightmaster View Post
      That is exactly right. Apple denied this app basically claiming that, if you download this app, you will do illegal things with it.

      This is a major fallacy: the fallacy of cause and effect.

      Source: Fallacy: Confusing Cause and Effect

      A= using an App Store app to control a bittorrent program
      B= downloading something illegal

      Just because they frequently occur at the same time, doesn't mean that A causes B. B would still happen if A was prevented.
      Again, nail > head. Though I wonder if the fact that this app had a built in browser for finding torrents, and the ability to add those torrents to Transmission for downloading, tipped the scales towards rejection still further... Maybe initiating the downloads on the iPhone rather than simply monitoring them was the key factor.


      Still, the Transmission webUI is pretty decent for basic control, and there's a javascript bookmarklet for adding torrents already. So while it would be nice to have this app, it's not essential.