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  • SlingPlayer Targeted in AT&T TOS Update


    Where is SlingPlayer? Why hasn't it been approved yet? When is it coming?

    If AT&T has anything to say about the issue SlingPlayer will never see the light of day on the App Store. Two weeks ago a rumor started circulating that AT&T was stopping SlingPlayer from being approved. The rumor started because AT&T's TOS were updated to prohibit "customer initiated redirection of television or other video or audio signals via any technology from a fixed location to a mobile device." This was later removed by AT&T and calimed to be a mistake.

    Some weeks later SlingPlayer is still missing from the App Store and it is becoming clearer that AT&T is most likely influencing the App Store approval process with their latest TOS update.

    While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation . . .downloading movies using P2P file sharing services, redirecting television signals for viewing on Personal Computers, web broadcasting, and/or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices....
    SlingPlayer redirects television signals. AT&T's TOS for their wireless broadband network specifically prohibits that. It isn't looking good for SlingPlayer.

    [via slingcommunity] thanks for the tip JazJon
    This article was originally published in forum thread: SlingPlayer Targeted in AT&T TOS Update started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 43 Comments
    1. tsatryan's Avatar
      tsatryan -
      More appropriate picture -
    1. Fallguy's Avatar
      Fallguy -
      I think AT&T might be waiting for the next Iphone to come out and offer that app only on that model . This would open the floodgates on previous 3G owners to upgrade and others to buy in to AT&T's monopoly . Would be nice if the SlingBox team let their app slip out (hint hint) by a disgruntled employee who just so happens to own a 3G AT&T /Apple Iphone .
    1. RonHC's Avatar
      RonHC -
      Quote Originally Posted by Fallguy View Post
      I think AT&T might be waiting for the next Iphone to come out and offer that app only on that model . This would open the floodgates on previous 3G owners to upgrade and others to buy in to AT&T's monopoly . Would be nice if the SlingBox team let their app slip out (hint hint) by a disgruntled employee who just so happens to own a 3G AT&T /Apple Iphone .
      that would just be a cheap move for AT&T so they can get money, if they do that then they are just another company that only cares about getting money instead of helping thier customers, [unless they already have]
    1. tsatryan's Avatar
      tsatryan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Fallguy View Post
      I think AT&T might be waiting for the next Iphone to come out and offer that app only on that model . This would open the floodgates on previous 3G owners to upgrade and others to buy in to AT&T's monopoly . Would be nice if the SlingBox team let their app slip out (hint hint) by a disgruntled employee who just so happens to own a 3G AT&T /Apple Iphone .
      Quote Originally Posted by RonHC View Post
      that would just be a cheap move for AT&T so they can get money, if they do that then they are just another company that only cares about getting money instead of helping thier customers, [unless they already have]
      Ummmm.... ATT doesn't offer any apps. Apple does in its Appstore. I don't believe that ATT even gets any financial considerations from any apps sold in Apple's appstore.
    1. fleadog99's Avatar
      fleadog99 -
      Way to freak out everyone with that misleading picture. This is not new, this is the same terminology they have had in there for a long time. It only is talking about (in example) if you stream things from the tv USING the mobile device. You are downloading the signal not using the device to upload anything.
    1. ferdie's Avatar
      ferdie -
      OOH....bring slingplayer to Cydia what the heck....
    1. jay0heavenly's Avatar
      jay0heavenly -
      This is some huge MIS-information. AT&T ALLOWS Slingplayer. I watch it EVERY DAY on my AT&T Blackberry Bold!

      The issue between Sling and Apple are between Sling and Apple.
      There are ALREADY a fleet of AT&T phones with Slingplayer mobile...again, the issue here is Apple, not AT&T.

      P.S. I have an iPhone also and I can't WAIT for it to come out for the iPhone
    1. Channan's Avatar
      Channan -
      Quote Originally Posted by jay0heavenly View Post
      This is some huge MIS-information. AT&T ALLOWS Slingplayer. I watch it EVERY DAY on my AT&T Blackberry Bold!

      The issue between Sling and Apple are between Sling and Apple.
      There are ALREADY a fleet of AT&T phones with Slingplayer mobile...again, the issue here is Apple, not AT&T.

      P.S. I have an iPhone also and I can't WAIT for it to come out for the iPhone
      Because nobody has any control over what apps you download with your Bold. Unless you jailbreak, there's only one way to get apps on your iPhone, and that's through the App Store. Because Apple moderates each app that is submitted, they can reject ones that go against their ToS or ones they just don't like. And because AT&T and Apple are so close, don't you think Apple would reject an app like this if AT&T asks them to? Remember NetShare?

      Anyway, if Sling's app really was going against AT&T's ToS, most likely we'd know it was rejected already. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, but if I submitted a porn app to Apple, you wouldn't have to wonder if it would be approved or not because it goes against their ToS. How long do you think it would take to officially get rejected? If Sling's app went against AT&T's, it would have been rejected already.

      Either Apple is still inspecting it, hasn't really got to it yet, or AT&T wants Apple to wait to release it until their better and faster 3G network is running. That's what I'm betting, though it still could be something else.
    1. billj63's Avatar
      billj63 -
      sounds like a perfect app for cydia / the cydia store!
    1. badass1469's Avatar
      badass1469 -
      Quote Originally Posted by €hR!$ View Post
      How does it compete with AT&T's Mobile TV when the iPhone doesn't even have Mobile TV?
      it would compete with them if sling was released. Possibly at&t is comming with their own app aswell for t.v.
    1. tsatryan's Avatar
      tsatryan -
    1. M4tt Dam0n's Avatar
      M4tt Dam0n -
      "extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network"

      BullS***. Orb is on the appstore and does the same thing except you need a computer as a server.
    1. zeroGsti's Avatar
      zeroGsti -
      Why doesn't Sling Media just say F* them and just make it available on Cydia.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by demminal View Post
      I live in the UK and my iphone is on the O2 network, why should i not beable to get the slingplayer because of AT&T.
      No, the reason you can't get Slingplayer is because O2 specifically prohibit streaming over 3G
    1. jimmybino's Avatar
      jimmybino -
      Does anyone read anyone's elses posts or just blurt....Look At&t has about 10 phones atleast that are capable of running the slingplayer app..and ya ya i know all 10 phones or more don't even add up to the amount of data traffic/web traffic that the iPhone does but put all together i'm sure all there models off blackberry's do...so i think it's safe to say that apple and or slingbox have many valid points why the app should be allowed to run...and if there really that dumb ***** dumb...then we can take it to them hard...(Petitions/calls/emails ) and flood them why bad press-tweets-blog posts and everyother way us techies use to persuade them...i dont think a legit company like slingplayer would want to go the cydia route ...although as a last result i hope they wouldn't count it out either...ANYWAY...I WANT THIS APP BAD...SO LET"S GET ON IT ALREADY>>>>>>PLEASE APPLE......i'm sure it's floating around apple internally and there having fun using it as we all pull our hair out waiting..cause to me that is my ultimate killer app to add to my iphone and there is no app i'm waiting for or want more...GET MOVING APPLE!!!

    1. toothdoc246's Avatar
      toothdoc246 -
      i dont get it. ive had windows mobile with slingplayer for ever since it came out. im with ATT. how can you deny iphone slingplayer if all the other phones on ATT can use slingplayer. Dont believe that is logical . So ATT lets all the other phones with slingplayer work except Apple?? dont think so..
    1. BenzoHartt's Avatar
      BenzoHartt -
      Why can't they make it one of those wifi only Apps?
    1. tsatryan's Avatar
      tsatryan -
      Everyone is getting their panties all in a bunch, and, contrary to the inflammatory wording of the first message in this thread, AT&T has said NOTHING at all, and there has been NO change at all in their TOS. While I appreciate Cash, and his work on this web site, I think he has done a great disservice to this community by posting an unfounded and misinformed quote from another web site, which was ALREADY refuted on that very web site.

      I am in the same boat as everyone else here waiting for this app. But a wait "this long" is not at all unusual for an app with these characteristics and abilities. I, too, used to use WMobile, and had sling running successfully on all my previous pda phones. So, I understand the sense of frustration. But, getting all fired up over a false statement on this web site does nothing but continue the flood of misinformation.
    1. CZroe's Avatar
      CZroe -
      Quote Originally Posted by demminal View Post
      I live in the UK and my iphone is on the O2 network, why should i not beable to get the slingplayer because of AT&T.
      O2 has had more dramatic restrictions all along. Technically, even YouTube should not be allowed if the guy I talked to is right. If they don't allow it, AT&T had nothing to do with it.

      Quote Originally Posted by CrooKid View Post
      Yeah see this kinda sh.it right here is why the iPhone should NOT be tied down because of a CELL PHONE CARRIER! It's not called the AT&T iPhone it's called the APPLE iPhone.

      What about people who have FACTORY UNLOCKED iPhones and aren't even on AT&T?
      For that matter, what about the iTouch and a WiFi only player for iPhones? Can't be any complaints there, right? FWIW< factory unlocked phones can still be used with AT&T, so they still operate with their partner's best interest in mind. Do they officially even offer those in the US? I figured they were all imported.

      Quote Originally Posted by s4mb4 View Post
      AT&T can claim bandwidth, but the issue is sling competes with their own television product "AT&T Mobile TV Plus".
      I don't see an app for the iPhone, but I smell some kind of "AT&T U-Verse Mobile" app in the future. That's a great way to sell your TV service to those that don't live in wired U-Verse areas. From their perspective, it's also a great reason to pull every string they can to block or delay SlingPlayer. Hulu is no different than selling you AT&T U-Verse and then letting you watch them on your obligatory AT&T DSL connection (what U-Verse TV is delivered on), so they'd be lucky to get profit-sharing as the rumors say (if a Hulu app even comes), but it has the added incentive as a "phone-seller." Unfortunately, SlingBoxes just aren't pervasive enough nor would the playback be exclusive to the iPhone.

      Quote Originally Posted by toothdoc246 View Post
      i dont get it. ive had windows mobile with slingplayer for ever since it came out. im with ATT. how can you deny iphone slingplayer if all the other phones on ATT can use slingplayer. Dont believe that is logical . So ATT lets all the other phones with slingplayer work except Apple?? dont think so..
      Because Apple controls what is available for the iPhone, many have argued that it is not technically a smartphone because the definition of a smartphone means that it must run arbitrary software. The true-smartphones you mention have it because it can't be stopped without them actually traffic-shaping your Internet packets, protocols, ports, etc to stop the traffic between your devices. On the other hand, Apple specifically polices the app stores in individual markets (example: no iBeer in the US App Store) and they can't possibly justify publishing apps that are against their partner's TOS.

      FWIW, you are about the 15th person to say this without realizing the difference. So I must ask you
      #1: Why do we need to hear it so many times? You are drowning out the TWO of us who are telling you this.
      #2: Why didn't you read this explanation from the other guy before adding to the mess with something that's already been said?
    1. warubozu's Avatar
      warubozu -
      thats a total boolsheet. i am on AT&T and i used to run slingplayer for my windows mobile device to my slingbox. thats no different than running slingplayer for the iphone to my same slingbox.