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  • Apple Unwilling to Drop AT&T, CDMA version not likely!


    It seems that AT&T is now successful to secure the iPhone exclusivity deal for a longer period. AT&Tís service has always been an issue with most of the iPhone users but Apple seems to be quite content with the service. Thatís why, when Tim Cook (and Peter Oppenheimer) were asked that whether Apple will continue with AT&T or not, he seemed quite positive about the deal with AT&T.

    We view AT&T as a very good partner, the best wireless provider in the U.S. Very happy to do business with them. They have done a good job with the iPhone. We have no plans to change it. Technically, Verizon is on CDMA. We decided to focus on one phone for the entire world, which means you have to go down the GSM route. CDMA doesn't have a life after a certain point in time.
    Regarding the Verizon- that is all about CDMA- rumors, he said that they Ďdecidedí to focus the phone for the entire world and that ďCDMA doesn't have a life after a certain point in timeĒ.

    It seems that all those lawsuits based on service issues arenít going to affect Apple as compared to their huge quarterly sales of iPhone and that Verizon doesnít have any chance to bag the iPhone even in 2011...

    [MacRumors]
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Unwilling to Drop AT&T, CDMA version not likely! started by sayam View original post
    Comments 64 Comments
    1. madizm's Avatar
      madizm -
      Im cool with at&t, they have great 3g coverage in Los Angeles. Plus we dont worry as much about unlocking just good old jailbreaking.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      China has 4 experimental 3G networks Two on GSM/HSDPA(which is actually W-CDMA) and two on CDMA (CDMA-2000). They don't know what is best so have got two of each, all in very early development.
      Europe, Australia japan and Singapore together with AT&T all us W-CDMA which has far more subscribers than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO as used by Verizon

      Unless, of course, I am very much mistaken....
    1. runCMD's Avatar
      runCMD -
      AT&T Wireless doesn't work well ( if much at all ) at my home. Verizon does. I love the iPhone - but this is not good news for me ... and others in my situation.
    1. blazingangel1986's Avatar
      blazingangel1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by zinjen View Post
      I didn't see that coming..
      dido
    1. rwin84's Avatar
      rwin84 -
      i hope the new phone has a massage function and runs on a 12 ghz frequency so it can penetrate my tin foil helmet. keeping the government out of my brain has put a cramp in my iphoning
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by djames04 View Post
      lol.. cingular bought att (bell south at the time) back in the day.. and then att bought back cingular.

      The reason GSM networks are better is because the technology doesn't have as strict as a limit as CDMA and that the world uses the technology.
      Cingular purchased AT&T's wireless division. Surely it had a lot of behind the scenes stuff that we never heard about because it is odd that Cingular would turn right back around and give the company back to AT&T.

      Either way I win. GSM is where it is at. Granted they don't have the most widespread 3G network, but who really needs that? Their Edge market and voice coverage is the best.
    1. rdwalsh's Avatar
      rdwalsh -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      So then China + US = rest of the world?
      CHina + US + Canada + Parts of Europe.

      CDMA is all over the world, just as GSM. I grew up in an area of Canada that was and still is only CDMA, hell they still have analog only areas up there.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by blazingangel1986 View Post
      dido
      She is an awesome singer!
    1. jayson9's Avatar
      jayson9 -
      Quote Originally Posted by DuRo View Post
      I know lots of people on AT&T, with great service.. Don't know what your talking about , all maybe you just upset that it's not coming to verizon.
      No. Great service (i.e. being able to use your 2G or 3G iPhone to make calls, etc) is one thing. But trying to get a hold of a customer service rep is another when you have a problem. I will say that my "cellular service" (using the iPhone) seems to be pretty good in KC.

      But like anything else, everything is great until you have to call someone to complain about it (i.e. phone quit working, unexpected overcharges or bill questions, technical help, etc). Now that's the service I am talking about. They still suck in that area IMO! But when picking the best of two (or three) evils and wanting to use my expensive 3G brick, I am inclined to stay.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by rdwalsh View Post
      CHina + US + Canada + Parts of Europe.

      CDMA is all over the world, just as GSM. I grew up in an area of Canada that was and still is only CDMA, hell they still have analog only areas up there.
      Where in Europe uses CDMA?
    1. brotherbond007's Avatar
      brotherbond007 -
      I have had AT&T/Cingular for 5 years, never had a problem at home or travels throughout the US. Before the iPhone I was looking to switch to Verizon mainly becase 80% of my friends had it. After the iPhone's release 80% of my friends, even my MOM has AT&T w/iPhone. If you ask me, I saw everyone laughing at the iPhone, Verizon, Microsoft, etc.. and I am sooo glad I was patient. My iPhone Freakin' rocks! I have owned the 1st and 2nd Gen. If they release another one in the future (June) whenever, I will buy it and sell the 3G I have to pay for the new model. I have even switched my OS in my home to Mac. So satified that I will probably by a Mac Air notebook soon. I travel a lot and it seemd perfect for me. Anyone that has major complaints about AT&T, just go back to the PDA or Phone and service you had before. Trust me..you'll have withdrawls and come runnning back..especially in June. LMAO
    1. Cody Overcash's Avatar
      Cody Overcash -
      I don't understand the whole point of the CDMA vs GSM (WCDMA) discussion.

      There are 3.7 billion GSM subscribers compared to only 464 million CDMA subscribers worldwide. If you wanted to sell a phone to everyone which would you choose?

      CDG : Worldwide : CDMA Worldwide
      GSM World : Home of the GSM Association
    1. Jammole's Avatar
      Jammole -
      Quote Originally Posted by chris4851 View Post
      Verizon made a horrible business decision when it passed on the iPhone originally.

      wwaaa?!?!?! why did they do that?
    1. deruk's Avatar
      deruk -
      CDMA should have died all ready

      and analog too for that matter... although i miss the excitement of the Analog Bag Phone in its day... that was awesome... then the HUGE *** flip phone, man that was hot ****... funny how things have advanced so in really a short peroid of time...

      oops, sorry to cuss... wasn't thinking!
    1. brianturney's Avatar
      brianturney -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jammole View Post
      wwaaa?!?!?! why did they do that?
      Because Verizon thinks their SH*^ don't stink and are slow to adopt new technologies unless they are forced because of crappy revenues. I'm glad they regret thumbing their nose at the IPhone. They deserve the regret and millions they lost because of their caveman decision making ways. I've had ATT for the past two years and they rock.

      Quote Originally Posted by Jammole View Post
      wwaaa?!?!?! why did they do that?
      Quote Originally Posted by deruk View Post
      CDMA should have died all ready

      and analog too for that matter... although i miss the excitement of the Analog Bag Phone in its day... that was awesome... then the HUGE *** flip phone, man that was hot ****... funny how things have advanced so in really a short peroid of time...

      oops, sorry to cuss... wasn't thinking!
      I agree. There were NO 100% touchscreen phones (without the sh|tty/hoakie/crappy/make your phone super thick, slide out keyboards) being subsidized by Verizon or any other carrier in the USA when the IPhone came out. I KNOW because I surveyed them all personally and then finally went out and spent $800 effin dollars on an HTC touchscreen phone with Windows mobile POS OS on it. Now look at all the copy cats trying to get in on it. Even crappy blackberry. Back when Iphone came out everyone was focused on those THICK, BULKY peices of crap with trashy flimsy slide out keyboards to cater to people who can't learn new input methods. Those are the same people who probably refuse to use a touchscreen checkin kiosk at the airport and wait in the longer lines to have a 'real person' do it because the new technology scares them. haha. fools. its 2009. LEARN new ways. We see what happens to these Verizon/tmobiles out there when they don't. They sit and regret and try to make up for lost time. whaaa

      Quote Originally Posted by brotherbond007 View Post
      I have had AT&T/Cingular for 5 years, never had a problem at home or travels throughout the US. Before the iPhone I was looking to switch to Verizon mainly becase 80% of my friends had it. After the iPhone's release 80% of my friends, even my MOM has AT&T w/iPhone. If you ask me, I saw everyone laughing at the iPhone, Verizon, Microsoft, etc.. and I am sooo glad I was patient. My iPhone Freakin' rocks! I have owned the 1st and 2nd Gen. If they release another one in the future (June) whenever, I will buy it and sell the 3G I have to pay for the new model. I have even switched my OS in my home to Mac. So satified that I will probably by a Mac Air notebook soon. I travel a lot and it seemd perfect for me. Anyone that has major complaints about AT&T, just go back to the PDA or Phone and service you had before. Trust me..you'll have withdrawls and come runnning back..especially in June. LMAO
      Wait till fall and get the Apple netbook. It'll be badass and cheaper when its released.
    1. Riviera's Avatar
      Riviera -
      Quote Originally Posted by brianturney View Post
      Because Verizon thinks their SH*^ don't stink and are slow to adopt new technologies unless they are forced because of crappy revenues. I'm glad they regret thumbing their nose at the IPhone. They deserve the regret and millions they lost because of their caveman decision making ways. I've had ATT for the past two years and they rock.
      That's actually not entirely true. Apple chose AT&T because back in 2004, Cingular (AT&T) was the LARGEST wireless carrier in the United States. ( America's Top Wireless Carriers ). At the time Cingular had 46 millions users.

      Apple decision was mainly for marketing benefit purposes. Steve Jobs understood where to start selling his toy. Cingular/AT&T had the biggest potential at the time for his iPhone. Remember it took Apple 2.5 years to develop iPhone before the 2007 launch, so Steve had already figured out the profit of his product back in early 2004.

      Source: Why Apple was Wise to Choose AT&T for iPhone - Associated Content
    1. mgebara's Avatar
      mgebara -
      Quote Originally Posted by cash7c3 View Post
      I don't understand the whole point of the CDMA vs GSM (WCDMA) discussion.

      There are 3.7 billion GSM subscribers compared to only 464 million CDMA subscribers worldwide. If you wanted to sell a phone to everyone which would you choose?

      CDG : Worldwide : CDMA Worldwide
      GSM World : Home of the GSM Association
      Agreed. There's also the battery life argument which trumps everything. And I'm not talking about the battery life of your monochrome piece of crap with a monotone ringer. CDMA by design has a higher power consumption. Who cares if CDMA has better range if your battery is dead?
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by rdwalsh View Post
      CHina + US + Canada + Parts of Europe.

      CDMA is all over the world, just as GSM. I grew up in an area of Canada that was and still is only CDMA, hell they still have analog only areas up there.
      The point I was trying to make was that GSM is predominant throughout the world. As Confucius (the user) said, China has all 4 and is undecided. I don;t know where in Europe has CDMA still, but probably not a large area of it. CDMA is by far the most prominent in the US with Verizon, and there are talks that even they will go GSM in the future.

      Quote Originally Posted by Riviera View Post
      That's actually not entirely true. Apple chose AT&T because back in 2004, Cingular (AT&T) was the LARGEST wireless carrier in the United States. ( America's Top Wireless Carriers ). At the time Cingular had 46 millions users.

      Apple decision was mainly for marketing benefit purposes. Steve Jobs understood where to start selling his toy. Cingular/AT&T had the biggest potential at the time for his iPhone. Remember it took Apple 2.5 years to develop iPhone before the 2007 launch, so Steve had already figured out the profit of his product back in early 2004.

      Source: Why Apple was Wise to Choose AT&T for iPhone - Associated Content
      Exc ept that they went to Verizon first...

      Quote Originally Posted by brianturney View Post


      I agree. There were NO 100% touchscreen phones (without the sh|tty/hoakie/crappy/make your phone super thick, slide out keyboards) being subsidized by Verizon or any other carrier in the USA when the IPhone came out. I KNOW because I surveyed them all personally and then finally went out and spent $800 effin dollars on an HTC touchscreen phone with Windows mobile POS OS on it. Now look at all the copy cats trying to get in on it. Even crappy blackberry. Back when Iphone came out everyone was focused on those THICK, BULKY peices of crap with trashy flimsy slide out keyboards to cater to people who can't learn new input methods. Those are the same people who probably refuse to use a touchscreen checkin kiosk at the airport and wait in the longer lines to have a 'real person' do it because the new technology scares them. haha. fools. its 2009. LEARN new ways. We see what happens to these Verizon/tmobiles out there when they don't. They sit and regret and try to make up for lost time. whaaa
      Choosing a phone is just that, a choice. Nobody HAS to learn anything new when it comes to input. Believe it or not plenty of people like a real keyboard and calling them "crappy slide-outs" is highly subjective. I have had an iphone since launch and love it, but there are still times I wouldn't mind a tangible keyboard. As for the touch screen kiosks, maybe some people don't support the fact that machines are replacing those people in the workplace.
    1. crazy4dss's Avatar
      crazy4dss -
      Quote Originally Posted by ALL DAY View Post
      AT&T uses 1900MHz. 2100MHz is another standard and T-Mobile's 1700MHz is indeed strange, forgot they were down there.
      T-Mobile uses 1700 for uploads and 2100 for downloads,the iphone uses 1900/2100. The two different frequencies arent better than each other they are on different spectrum to prevent interference from other signals using the same technologies. Its all about the bandwidth of the network and quality of the network.

      Look, its never a good thing when you have one company having exclusive rights to a product. The consumer does not have a choice on the product. i think the i-phone should stay on gsm type system and have multi network capabilities whether its gprs, edge, or 3g. Personaly i love tmobile and the quality of service i get from them. So i have both tmobile and att for the iphone 3g network only. if i could have my way on tmobile the iphone would also be.
    1. rolandgabor's Avatar
      rolandgabor -
      The Greatest tech company in the world pairing up with the worst telecom company in the world one more time.
      Thank you very much for a few more years in advance.

      All of you that agree with the decision of Apple and have no problems with AT&T's bad service honestly think that its normal not to have service and not be able to speak on the phone for more than 5-10 minutes at a time in the third largest metropolitan area of the World?( Los Angeles).
      And who lives here knows that you can't drive from downtown to the valley or from downtown to Santa Monica without losing reception at least twice. That's within 10 miles. If you are in business and use your phone frequently it is very upsetting.
      Those of us who had the opportunity to use cell phones in Europe agree that you can drive from eastern to western Europe and be on the phone and not lose reception once.

      The major player is T-Mobile all thru out Europe.