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  • China: No iPhone for You!


    China Mobile and Apple have been trying to come up with an agreement to bring the iPhone to China with three rounds of talks over the last 18 months between Apple CEO Steve Jobs and COO Tim Cook and China Mobile President Wang Jianzhou. The end result of these talks is no iPhone for China

    According to an Interfax source in the first round of talks Apple asked for 20-30% of China Mobile's revenues which China Mobile rejected.

    In the second round Apple offered to sell iPhone to China Mobile at $600/unit as long as China Mobile agreed to subsidize the phone when selling to its users. China Mobile didn't like that much either.

    The third round of talks fell apart due to the AppStore. Apple of course wanted to sell Applications for the China Mobile iPhone via the AppStore as it does with the rest of the world. In response "Wang said China Mobile should operate the application store itself in order to maintain its advantage." Wang went on further saying that applications in the AppStore are paid for by credit card and in China users prefer to pay for things via deposits to their mobile phone accounts, not by credit.

    The end result is that Apple and China Mobile can not agree, killing off the chances of the iPhone officially making its way into China. Wang did however mention that China Mobile is coming up with its own strategy to offer applications for smartphones (read Google Android phones).

    [Interfax via macrumors]
    This article was originally published in forum thread: China: No iPhone for You! started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 54 Comments
    1. andygev35's Avatar
      andygev35 -
      Has Apple finally met its match in the control/greed department??
    1. keviNNz's Avatar
      keviNNz -
      it's the chinese that are greedy, trust me i know. I'm Chinese
    1. staterunner180's Avatar
      staterunner180 -
      Hm...I wonder how many people are pissed off because they can't get the iPhone...I know I would be.
    1. CAPcadetJC's Avatar
      CAPcadetJC -
      China Population: 1,330,044,544 (July 2008 est.)

      boy, apple really ****** up here. Look at all those phones they could have sold. One of those modern battles Greed V. Greed.
    1. TheConqueror's Avatar
      TheConqueror -
      Oh well, at least they have all those crappy knockoffs they can use!
    1. Cam23's Avatar
      Cam23 -
      "Assembled in China"

      "Will not sell in China"

    1. dieselboy27's Avatar
      dieselboy27 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cam23 View Post
      "Assembled in China"

      "Will not sell in China"

      That's funny and so true.

      I'm sure they'll continue to try to work something out. Apple would be stupid not to sell the device there. The market is so huge that it'd be an immense revenue stream. They'll figure something out sooner or later. Both sides can definitely win.
    1. domenicp's Avatar
      domenicp -
      On the china itunes store... it looks like you can already download apps for the ipod touch (I suppose). So I'm not sure why chinese users would object to the same purchasing method for the mobile phones. Sounds like more of a china mobile objection because the purchase would take place without there involvement. I suppose they want a cut of all app purchases.
    1. nimavafi's Avatar
      nimavafi -
      start unlocking your 3g iphones...i think they are about to increase in price to chinese customers...
    1. SuddleD's Avatar
      SuddleD -
      Communism likes to control everything....
      Capitalism likes to own everything....

      Who will win in a pissing contest??? I guess not the Chinese people...or apple stock holders...
    1. r1994augusto's Avatar
      r1994augusto -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cam23 View Post
      "Assembled in China"

      "Will not sell in China"

      LMAO!!!

      thats the truth!
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Quote Originally Posted by nimavafi View Post
      start unlocking your 3g iphones...i think they are about to increase in price to chinese customers...
      Read this on a site...

      It's clear that Apple still wants the Chinese market, and is still trying to figure out a game plan for emerging markets. In its recent earnings call, Cook said the company was "constantly evaluating the best way to play in these markets." He added, "We know that there's a huge market opportunity there, and we'll make adjustments in the future accordingly to play in a stronger way." The iPhone has been a bit of a hit in China already. Analysts estimate some 800,000 jail-broken models are in use there already.

      Could one of those ways be to offer a cheaper handset? Canaccord Adams analyst Peter Misek is predicting in his latest report that Apple will release a lower-cost handset based on the 2.5G iPhone targeted at China and India to drum up sales. The two countries might fare better with the 2.5G model as India doesn't even have 3G networks up and running, while China Mobile's 3G networks are built on a non-compatible technology.

      But what's also clear is China Mobile believes Apple needs them more than they need the iPhone, since in all of the negotiations Apple seems to be offering pretty much the same deal as all of the other networks its dealt with. Meanwhile, the negotiations with Apple over the App Store has now got China Mobile thinking. Interfax's source said the carrier was "mapping out its own strategy" to offer smartphone apps.
    1. FramedTrash's Avatar
      FramedTrash -
      i dont see the big problem here
      this is why the dev team does the work they do
      ppl can import the phones and unlock them
      im sure theres already billions of the phones over there already
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      is china mobile gsm based?
    1. name00's Avatar
      name00 -
      i thought china already has IpHone or hiphone ...stuff like that
    1. smuth's Avatar
      smuth -
      Quote Originally Posted by CAPcadetJC View Post
      boy, apple really ****** up here. Look at all those phones they could have sold. One of those modern battles Greed V. Greed.
      yeah because china is ALWAYS fair.....
    1. gordo2150's Avatar
      gordo2150 -
      Quote Originally Posted by staterunner180 View Post
      Hm...I wonder how many people are pissed off because they can't get the iPhone...I know I would be.

      Go to Macau, an find out, or just hangout in Shanghai tech district. LOL china assembles it! so you know how many iphones they have with out apple knowing about it! all my iphones comes straight from china.

      apple has met the DEVIL!

      Quote Originally Posted by Cam23 View Post
      "Assembled in China"

      "Will not sell in China"

      got pics of where you could buy them in ShangHai, not clones but the original!
    1. ultimatexpka's Avatar
      ultimatexpka -
      Hah. Their loss. They can't imagine what they could of done with it. (JAILBREAK)
    1. sk8er982's Avatar
      sk8er982 -
      I dont think china gets it...

      Apple says:
      We have a phone, and we want to bring it to your country.
      UR LUCKY WE EVEN DECIDED TO TALK TO YOU MUCH LESS SELL YOU THE PHONE!

      Nieve little China says: We own this place and we will sell your device (which is the biggest hit to hit the cell phone market since GSM!) for however much we want and we will own the app store that rightfully belongs to you and you will get no control whatsoever over your own company and have no say over what happens to it and you will get nothing in return. (we just want it for a little while so we can copy the S*** out of it and sell it for twice as less becuase we have no copywrite laws)


      CHINA YOU ARE REDICULOUS! I KNOW YOUR GOING TO BE A BIG SUPERPOWER IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND A GREAT CONTENDER FOR US AMERICANS BUT YOU NEED TO HAIL TO THE CHIEF AND REALIZE THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO YOUR WAY!!!!
    1. gordo2150's Avatar
      gordo2150 -
      Quote Originally Posted by sk8er982 View Post
      I dont think china gets it...

      Apple says:
      We have a phone, and we want to bring it to your country.
      UR LUCKY WE EVEN DECIDED TO TALK TO YOU MUCH LESS SELL YOU THE PHONE!

      Nieve little China says: We own this place and we will sell your device (which is the biggest hit to hit the cell phone market since GSM!) for however much we want and we will own the app store that rightfully belongs to you and you will get no control whatsoever over your own company and have no say over what happens to it and you will get nothing in return. (we just want it for a little while so we can copy the S*** out of it and sell it for twice as less becuase we have no copywrite laws)


      CHINA YOU ARE REDICULOUS! I KNOW YOUR GOING TO BE A BIG SUPERPOWER IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND A GREAT CONTENDER FOR US AMERICANS BUT YOU NEED TO HAIL TO THE CHIEF AND REALIZE THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO YOUR WAY!!!!

      And who has told you that their are no Apple iphones in China!

      LOL every 4 months i do get a nice stock of apple iphones (not that clone ****) they are so great because they have been hardware unlocked!

      If you believe, that news, just come to shanghai and see how many chinese has their on iphone, they dont even need itune, they have their own iPhonePC suite.

      remember the apple iphone is a GMS, device, and now that its able to be on 3G as wel as EDGE. so think about it!

      Are the any iphones in China?


      Lot's

      Quote Originally Posted by staterunner180 View Post
      Hm...I wonder how many people are pissed off because they can't get the iPhone...I know I would be.
      Not that many, lot's of iphones, not clones been sold in Shanghai, and Hong kong,

      assemble in china, and you think that a few would not make it out to the streets. Come to Tampa and I would show you how many apples iphones were sold with in Miami, Orlando and Tampa Bay. if they are able to reach USA! What do you think they have on the Street! that clone ****!

      Having an iphone is a stament! so think!