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  • No More Online iPhone Sales | 3g Data Prices
    According to dallasnews.com there will be a new requirement for buying the 3g iPhone. You must buy it in person and activate it in the store.

    Direct quote from AT&T spokesperson
    When customers purchase their new 3G iPhone, customers will activate the device in the retail store. This is the traditional wireless activation model that our customers are very familiar with. In-store activation should take just a few minutes and customers will be able to leave with their iPhone up and running. This will be especially helpful if any questions or issues arise during activation.
    That fluff about helping people with questions is probably just the polite way of saying "We want the iPhones activated on our chosen carriers in front of us. We hope to kill unlocking. Muwahahahaha."


    Pricing for the 3g iPhone was also announced:
    • With a two-year contract, the price of an 8GB iPhone 3G will be $199; the 16GB model will be priced at $299.
    • Unlimited iPhone 3G data plans for consumers will be available for $30 a month, in addition to voice plans starting at $39.99 a month.
    • Unlimited 3G data plans for business users will be available for $45 a month, in addition to a voice plan.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: No More Online iPhone Sales | 3g Data Prices started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 412 Comments
    1. lamofo's Avatar
      lamofo -
      do you really think they are gonna shut down there online store for the iphone so you have to go into the store to buy and activate? no way. all these posts of having to activate at the store makes no sense. would cut there sales in half. just by it online einsteins.
    1. Songbird's Avatar
      Songbird -
      Quote Originally Posted by lamofo View Post
      do you really think they are gonna shut down there online store for the iphone so you have to go into the store to buy and activate? no way. all these posts of having to activate at the store makes no sense. would cut there sales in half. just by it online einsteins.
      I think that's good actually. It'll keep people away from putting it on eBay and wanting loads for them. There'll be less scams too.
    1. lamofo's Avatar
      lamofo -
      there's NO WAY they would cut off there online sales. it's 2008, not 2000. online sales is half there biz.
    1. mopplecrump's Avatar
      mopplecrump -
      No contract needed in UK
      iPhone 3g is coming soon for Pay & Go

      Taken from UK o2 site

      Customers will soon be able to enjoy all the great features of iPhone without a monthly contract with the iPhone for Pay & Go.

      Just register your interest opposite and we'll drop you a line in early July to tell you what you need to do to be one of the first to get your hands on the new 3G iPhone.

      More information on the new iPhone will be available shortly so come back in a few days or visit Apple

      look here

      iPhone - O2
    1. mastercyberjedi's Avatar
      mastercyberjedi -
      Quote Originally Posted by lamofo View Post
      there's NO WAY they would cut off there online sales. it's 2008, not 2000. online sales is half there biz.
      No they won't cut off online sales but they'll make you active it online with at&t before they ship it . Say you go to apple.com and order a new iphone in the ordering process the transfer you to at&t's web site to put in your ss# and have you pick your plan and do all that stuff online then switch you back to apple to pay for it with your credit card.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      One key fact that people seem to be missing when they state apple will lose sales is that apple gains money from contracts as well. In other words ATT pays Apple a percentage of their monthly iphone contract. This is how it was before, and I am assuming it will stay this way. The first iphone was a test market. They didn't know it would do this well, so it wasn't a subsidized price. The subsidized price is there to lock people into a contract, and effectively give apple and ATT MORE money because your are forced into paying the contract fees each month. Even if Apple sells fewer units, if 100% of the units have a contract attached they are still making money. The deal never was (nor will it ever be) that apple produces and sells the phone and then you do whatever you want with it. If apple wasn;t getting money for contracts with ATT then why would they even bother to do an exclusivity contract? there would be no reason to lock the phone with ATT in the first place.
    1. mastercyberjedi's Avatar
      mastercyberjedi -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      One key fact that people seem to be missing when they state apple will lose sales is that apple gains money from contracts as well. In other words ATT pays Apple a percentage of their monthly iphone contract. This is how it was before, and I am assuming it will stay this way. The first iphone was a test market. They didn't know it would do this well, so it wasn't a subsidized price. The subsidized price is there to lock people into a contract, and effectively give apple and ATT MORE money because your are forced into paying the contract fees each month. Even if Apple sells fewer units, if 100% of the units have a contract attached they are still making money. The deal never was (nor will it ever be) that apple produces and sells the phone and then you do whatever you want with it. If apple wasn;t getting money for contracts with ATT then why would they even bother to do an exclusivity contract? there would be no reason to lock the phone with ATT in the first place.
      Exactly
    1. z0mbieJesus's Avatar
      z0mbieJesus -
      im sure there will be a way to get the new 3g iphone without the 18 month contract, the O2 website in the UK at present shows the 18 month contract deal as well as an option coming soon called pay as you go.....
    1. gsbba2k08's Avatar
      gsbba2k08 -
      Buy from the apple store online directly, costs more but sill less than the previous one.

      That was easy...
    1. Argo_Rei's Avatar
      Argo_Rei -
      wahey a PAYG option on o2! i wonder which route they'll take with it though? increase the cost of a PAYG handset, or decrease the cost of the contract handset?

      surely the price wont be the same there'd be no incentive to sign a contract!

      EDIT: free with a contract, so im guessing it'll be the standard price for a PAYG iPhone! nice!
    1. kptn82's Avatar
      kptn82 -
      Here's an article from Gizmodo

      IPhone 3G: AT&T Memo to Retail Managers Shows iPhone 3G Policy

      We knew it wouldn't be long before someone from AT&T leaked a policy memo vis-a-vis the iPhone 3G's July 11 launch. As well as all the mobile provider's pricing details from yesterday, the document contains a bit more info, such as how many iPhones each customer can walk out with (that'll be three, then, so if anyone at Gawker HQ is feeling generous, only Frooch, Matt Buchanan and I are still sans jesusPhone), and what to do with all existing 2G phone promotional literature.

      ***Confidential AT&T Information. For Internal Distribution Only.***
      AT&T and Apple today announced that the iPhone 3G will be available in the U.S on July 11. iPhone 3G combines three products into one small, lightweight device: a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod, and it puts the Internet in your pocket with the best e-mail, web browsing, search and maps applications ever on a mobile phone.

      The new version of the iPhone harnesses the power of AT&T's broad and powerful 3G mobile broadband network, which offers 3G mobile phones download speeds of up to 1.4 Mbps.

      Key Device Features:

      Operates on Wi-Fi, EDGE, and 3G networks
      New enterprise e-mail capability with support for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync
      New iPhone software development kit (SDK) to support new innovative applications
      Note: 2G iPhone customers will be able to download the iPhone 2.0 software from iTunes which enables new features such as access to corporate e-mail via Microsoft ActiveSync.

      New Activation Process and BRE:
      The iPhone 3G will be activated at point of sale when the device is purchased, in store. The BRE period will change from 14 days to 30 days and will require the device to be returned to place of purchase before service is cancelled.

      Pricing and Plans
      Device Pricing:
      $199 8GB and $299 16GB for new activations and qualified upgrades with 2-year agreement.

      Data Plans and Pricing:
      The iPhone 3G will be activated on existing AT&T voice rate plans, but new data plans have been created for the 3G device.

      All iPhone 3G customers are required to have one of the new data plans and qualifying voice plan.
      Customers intending to use the iPhone 3G for access to corporate e-mail, business applications, or access to corporate intranet are required to activate with Enterprise Data Plan for iPhone.
      The 2G data rate plans will remain available for 2G devices until further notice.
      IRU service discounts for both voice and data pans will apply to iPhone 3G, but not 2G iPhone.
      CRU service discounts for voice and data will apply to both 2G and 3G, when on a qualifying data plan.
      IRUs will not get a discount on device purchase for 2G or iPhone 3Gs.
      Data Pricing will be as follows:
      Consumer Data Plan (must be added to qualified voice plan):
      $30 - Unlimited Data (E-mail/Web), includes Visual Voicemail

      Enterprise Data Plan (must be added to qualified voice plan):
      $45 – Unlimited Data with personal and corporate e-mail, web, includes Visual Voicemail

      Upgrade Eligibility and Qualified Upgrade Pricing
      Upgrade eligibility will be determined based on standard upgrade eligibility rules. Customers must be upgrade eligible to receive the qualified upgrade pricing. However, not all customers will be qualified upgrades. AT&T has not determined the price of the 3G device for non-qualified upgrades.

      All customers will be required to sign a 2-year agreement. There will not be a "no commitment" price for the iPhone 3G.

      Note: When the 3G device launches, all active postpaid customers in good standing with a 2G iPhone will be eligible to receive the qualified upgrade pricing for a 3G device regardless of service tenure. (Customers that would not otherwise be eligible due to tenure will be made eligible at launch).

      Activation Process
      The new 3G device will be activated in store in both AT&T and Apple stores. Customers must accept AT&T and Apple Ts & Cs, sign a 2-year agreement, and select the data plan for the iPhone 3G before leaving the store. The current iTunes activation process will no longer be required for iPhone 3Gs, however a short tether process to unbrick the 3G device will be performed in all AT&T stores (tether cords will be provided). Apple stores will also perform this tether process, however in the event that a customer's device is not tethered in the Apple store, their device will be inoperable until they get home and tether through iTunes. Prepaid and Pick Your Plan will not be allowed on the 3G device.

      The SSK has been modified to allow customers interested in the iPhone 3G to enter their information, select rate plans and data plans, and print a document that will allow COR reps to quickly access the customer's information in OPUS and save time for data entry in the activation process.

      Note: In the interim, 2G iPhones will continue to be activated via iTunes - BAU. This is also true for existing AT&T customers who receive a 2G device as a gift, hand-me-down, etc. and wish to activate the device. Existing AT&T customers who switch to the 2G iPhone must tether through the iTunes process to begin using the device.

      Compensation
      Because the 3G device will be activated in store, compensation for the 3G device will be BAU. COR reps will receive compensation for upgrades and new activations with a 2-year agreement.

      Purchase Limit
      The device purchase limit will remain three (3) per customer for iPhone 3G in AT&T stores.

      Allocations
      If allocations are required at launch, supply chain will allocate based on January-April sales rates applied on a store-by-store basis.

      Direct Fulfillment
      The DF tool will be available at launch in COR for iPhone 3Gs. Customers will be required to pay for the device when the order is placed and the phone will be shipped to the store in the customer's name.

      Existing Stock of 2G Devices
      We will continue to sell 2G devices until stock is depleted.

      Return Policy
      2G Devices
      Customers who recently purchased a 2G iPhone may want to return their device once they hear about the 3G model and price point, but the new device will not be available immediately. Since the announcement and launch will be about 30 days apart, we could lose some customers who are within their BRE period and want to return their device before their 14 days expires and wait for the new 3G device. We must acknowledge and address their desire to get the best device for them.

      Here's how AT&T will handle 2G iPhone returns:

      If a customer purchased before 5/27, we will follow BAU processes – no device returns. However, all postpaid 2G iPhone customers in good standing are upgrade eligible, so these customers will qualify to upgrade to a 3G iPhone when it is available.
      If a customer purchased on or after 5/27 (within the 14-day BRE period before the product announcement on 6/9), we will let them exchange their 2G iPhone for an iPhone 3G before August 1. This means that after we launch the 3G model they can return their 2G iPhone, pay the 10% restocking fee, and purchase a new iPhone 3G before August 1.
      Note: This modified return policy applies only to customers who purchase from AT&T stores.

      3G Devices
      The return policy for 3G is changing from 14 days to 30 days for both Apple and AT&T stores.

      To cancel service within the first 30 days, the customer must return their equipment to the place of purchase (no exceptions).
      If the customer cancels service after 30 days, they will be charged the ETF. The customer is not required to return the device to cancel after 30 days.
      Special Notes Regarding 2G Devices

      After the iPhone 3G launches, activations of 2G iPhones for new AT&T customers can be performed in COR stores or in the existing iTunes tether process. COR reps will receive compensation for activations of new AT&T customers done in store.
      2G upgrades will continue to be activated via the existing iTunes tether process.
      Existing 2G data plans will remain available for 2G devices until further notice.
      Note: 2G iPhones are out of stock in the DCs, and the Direct Fulfillment tool for 2G is turned off. 2G iPhones have been removed from the "myRewards" incentive catalog.

      Merchandising/Marketing

      Current 2G iPhones should remain on device fixtures in store. Do not remove 2G demo devices until further notice.
      3G demos will be pulled from stock when they arrive following BAU process for display devices.
      Video loop content will be pushed to stores when it is available.
      New docks and retrofit kits will be provided for existing iPhone fixtures.
      The following merchandising elements will be in stores for launch:

      Rate brochure and display rate card
      22 x 28 poster
      Window banner
      Duratrans - will be available for markets to order
      Coming Soon: Posters and banners are TBD
      Training

      Device training, including features and functionality, will be available via My CSP by 6/13.
      OPUS training will begin no later than 6/20 and will be delivered via the Learning Edge.
      Launch preparedness training, including last minute details, will be conducted the week of launch (if needed) via RSM or Centra sessions.
      Communications/My CSP
      All iPhone-related communications, inclusive of training announcements, will be posted to My CSP. Login and access are via the "Everything iPhone 3G" ad space. Or search on either keyword "iZone" or keyword "iPhone 3G" to locate.

      Launch Plans
      Support logistics for launch day will mirror last year's iPhone launch:

      Letters will be sent to all landlords under VP/GM signature for advance notice of store hours, crowds expected, possible parking issues, etc.
      Security will be provided for locations requesting armed police or unarmed, uniformed guards.
      Manager checklists will be provided to support RSMs to set expectations and help them be prepared to complete all required actions.
      Documents will be posted on iZone to let RSMs know when to expect delivery of launch support materials.
      Job descriptions for key launch day functions will be provided for: Back Office Manager/Inventory Runner, Crowd Manager, Greeter, Product Demonstrator, and Security Support.

      ***Confidential AT&T Information. For Internal Distribution Only.***

      Note, the article above applies to US customers only, not sure about Australia (ME )

      But i've read online somewhere that Vodafone is selling the 3G version outright for $950, well i AIN"T gonna pay that for the 3G in Australia.

      Lets hope I can bring my 2G phone to Apple store, pay something like $200 to get an upgraded 3G and legitimized my iphone :0
    1. XChrisX's Avatar
      XChrisX -
      Since you can buy 3 phones at a time and obviously they can't make you activate all 3 of them especially if you tell them it is for a gift. Couldn't you either A. tell them the phone you are purchasing is for a gift and the party receiving the phone will activate it with their info. Or get someone to buy you an extra phone and just unlock it that way? Not sure if it's that simple or not but just a thought.
    1. Lancaster's Avatar
      Lancaster -
      I'm not bothered about 3G. I mainly use wifi and when I have to download mail I use Edge, which is fine for that.
      I have satnav in my car and I don't need to locate my friends using my phone - i'll just ask them where they are!.
      This means my nice chrome backed jailbroken iPhone is more appealing to me than the new plastic one with no video recorder on it.

      It's not going to be possible to get out of an AT&T or O2 contract with the 3G phone. That's no use to me. Having said that, they will not get away with that restrictive practise in some European countries.

      I think I'd rather just keep the phone I have. I can see a situation where the 2G model becomes more desirable than the 3G for some people.

      Am I alone in thinking this way?
    1. alex_cutter's Avatar
      alex_cutter -
      Quote Originally Posted by lamofo View Post
      would cut there sales in half. just by it online einsteins.
      LOL at you calling someone "einstein" when you don't know the difference between by/buy and their/there.

    1. nadiasortiz's Avatar
      nadiasortiz -
      I'm sure after the release date and all the long a** lines go down they are going to have the phone for sell without having a contract (if they dont already) all we need people is a little bit of patience.... the phone is not out yet so lets just WAIT a bit longer and see what happens.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      From the AT&T Doc above:

      Activation Process
      The new 3G device will be activated in store in both AT&T and Apple stores. Customers must accept AT&T and Apple Ts & Cs, sign a 2-year agreement, and select the data plan for the iPhone 3G before leaving the store. The current iTunes activation process will no longer be required for iPhone 3Gs, however a short tether process to unbrick the 3G device will be performed in all AT&T stores (tether cords will be provided). Apple stores will also perform this tether process, [B]however in the event that a customer's device is not tethered in the Apple store, their device will be inoperable until they get home and tether through iTunes.[/B] Prepaid and Pick Your Plan will not be allowed on the 3G device.

      This at least gives the notion that we might be able to bypass in store activation.

      Also I don't see the use of the word "unbrick" as all that official, haha. Maybe it shoudl read "to activate the 3G device". The more I read the article the more skeptical i am. Oh and this time around they get TRAINED on the product where as last year the phones and features were pretty much kept on LOCK DOWN!
    1. integra93_4's Avatar
      integra93_4 -
      How about if we buy it from Apple store? Do we need to active it too?

      Integra93_4
    1. listenclose's Avatar
      listenclose -
      I was right
    1. dleasman's Avatar
      dleasman -
      Reading through the first few pages of posts, I just have to laugh... So much speculation, so little common sense.

      Purchasing a new iPhone: Obviously, you can do this at the AT&T store, signing, or renewing a 2 year contract, and getting the phone at the subsidized price of $199 or $299. However, you will likely still be able to purchase an iPhone at the AT&T store for full price (probably $399/$499). They pretty much know you are going to unlock it if you do this, else they would not even sell it this way.

      Jailbreaking: Already solved, and not even an issue.

      Fake activation for use with non-AT&T GSM networks: Again, already solved, and not an issue. But why would you want the new iPhone if you are not on AT&T? The iPhone's 3G will only work with AT&T. If you are with T-Mobile, all you will gain is a GPS and a new color for the back plate. Is that really worth another $400 or more?

      Don't forget, people... Firmware version 1.2.x will still be a free upgrade for your existing phones that you are using with non-AT&T GSM networks. You get it all (except a new case and a GPS), so what is the problem here?

      For AT&T customers: Just sign the new contract! 2 more years? Big deal... If you want the new iPhone that bad, aren't you going to use it for a minimum of 2 years anyway? If not, safe you money and stick with your current phone. But if you are getting a new phone, subsidized, the contract is completely resonable. You get a *new* phone, with a *new* battery, *new* firmware, preinstalled, and really fast internet for just $10 more a month than you are paying now.

      My comments above may not be 100% accurate, but are probably in the ballpark. Take a breath, people, and get a grip. You will find out the actual details tomorrow, and life *will* go on, with or without a new iPhone.

      Lastly... For those of you who just can't wait to get the new iPhone, and are losing sleep over it, I suggest a serious re-evaluation of your life. You may be missing out on more important things.

      Have a nice day!
      -dana
    1. rusty778's Avatar
      rusty778 -
      Ok so according to this memo as long as I buy the phone wait thirty days then cancel I can keep it?(no way am I signing a contract)