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  • [ APPLE ] Jailbreaking is for Drug Dealers, Mightily Slays Networks


    A few months back, Apple made a plea to the Copyright Office to make jailbreaking illegal. The EFF called their reasoning "absurd" and "FUD." It's still sitting before them to make a decision.

    Apparently, Apple feels they are in a losing battle and are now throwing out some pretty far-fetched reasons to the Copyright Office in order to back up their case. For one, they say jailbreaking could let users alter the Exclusive Chip Identification number, letting the jailbreaker make anonymous calls. They say "this would be desirable to drug dealers."

    In further claims, they say jailbreaking could lead to cell towers or networks being taken down Hacks to the baseband processor (BBP) would mean “a local or international hacker could potentially initiate commands (such as a denial of service attack) that could crash the tower software, rendering the tower entirely inoperable to process calls or transmit data... taking control of the BBP software would be much the equivalent of getting inside the firewall of a corporate computer — to potentially catastrophic result."

    Or maybe... Apple enjoys the success of the AppStore, and doesn't want anyone else encroaching on that market. The Cydia Store, Rock Your Phone, and various other non-AppStore sales methods are appearing, and gaining in popularity. If the AppStore is no longer the ONLY way to vend your app, theme (try getting one of THOSE from the AppStore), or tweak, Apple stands to lose some of that valued income. And therein lies the real issue.

    I recently bought Coda for my Mac. Panic makes great software. When I bought this... I just used Safari. I went to their website, I downloaded the app, and I paid them through their own payment system. I didn't have to go to an Apple store. I didn't have to open iTunes to buy my Mac software. In fact, Apple wasn't involved in any way at all other than creating a beautiful piece of hardware and a slick operating system which my copy of Coda runs on. Can you imagine the outrage if you could NEVER buy (or get freely) any software for your Mac except through iTunes? Control...

    And guess what? Professional hackers could, using only a Mac connected to the internet, gain access to all sorts of high-level secure sites, and wreak who knows what havoc. Does that mean all software for every Mac should go through Apple?

    What all this "jailbreaking is illegal" nonsense comes down to is Apple attempting to maintain their absolute control on all software for the iPhone - which is flat out insulting. This doesn't fly with any other device... why should it with iPhone?

    Wired

    (thanks to all who sent this in)
    This article was originally published in forum thread: [ APPLE ] Jailbreaking is for Drug Dealers, Mightily Slays Networks started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 81 Comments
    1. CastorTroy09's Avatar
      CastorTroy09 -
      If not for the jailbreak, I would have never switch to AT&T and buy the iphone. Jailbreaking makes iphone more usable and much more FUN!!!!!
    1. GiannyBoi's Avatar
      GiannyBoi -
      One day, I feel like going up to Steve Jobs, and rubbing my iPod in his face, and he cant do anything about it! haha
    1. PaperCross's Avatar
      PaperCross -
      Was just reading this:
      iPhone Jailbreaking Could Crash Cellphone Towers, Apple Claims | Threat Level | Wired.com

      Hope they were being sarcastic about this bit :
      "Threat Level had no idea the iPhone was so dangerous. Were gratified that Apple locked down this potential weapon of mass disruption before hackers could unleash cybarmageddon. This also explains why Apple rejected the official Google Voice App for the iPhone this week. We thought it was because Google Voice posed a threat to AT&Ts exclusivity deal with Apple. Now we know it threatened national security."
    1. Bernie-Mac's Avatar
      Bernie-Mac -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eurisko View Post
      Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Everyone loves to pick on big bad Apple, without whom the iPhone would not exist.
      Are you saying we shouldnt jailbreak? Wow
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      If their gripes are truly JUST about profit, it seems to me the wise thing to do would be to allow for things like apps and such on the Appstore. There are few things on Cydia that actually involve copyright infringement. Wish I could understand why they have to be so stubborn about what they will/won't allow.
    1. Jomann's Avatar
      Jomann -
      HA~! I could do all that with my skype phone and my laptop, they might as well outlaw pc's
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      I will add though, so many people are saying they wouldnt own an iPhone if it wasn't for jailbreak. You need to think like the company does... Appstore Sales are the profit now, not the iphone hardware sales. Apple is trying to secure the app market so that they get a cut for every app that sells. The majority of people who own the iPhone still just keep it stock. That means if all of us jailbreakers stopped using the phone, but they were able to secure the apps market, they still win. Well, sort of. The question is, if you shut down the jailbreaking, will people then resort to buying MORE from the appstore? Currently cydiastore apps are those that we cannot find in the appstore anyway...
    1. ALN V.'s Avatar
      ALN V. -
      "In further claims, they say jailbreaking could lead to cell towers or networks being taken down Hacks to the baseband processor (BBP) would mean a local or international hacker could potentially initiate commands (such as a denial of service attack) that could crash the tower software, rendering the tower entirely inoperable to process calls or transmit data... taking control of the BBP software would be much the equivalent of getting inside the firewall of a corporate computer to potentially catastrophic result."

      "That gives me an idea..nah."
    1. cmwade77's Avatar
      cmwade77 -
      I find the timing of this really odd, Apple just said that the Google Voice Applications are not allowed, so GV Mobile was put on Cydia and shortly after that, this came out from Apple and yes, Apple is grasping at straws here, this is definitely not the right path to be taking at all.

      Doing this kind of stuff encourages states to start looking at Cell Phone User's Bill of Rights again (which should be looked at anyway) that will mean that any phone has to be able to be used with any carrier, due to various companies using different technologies, this could get quite costly for them.
    1. robbpell's Avatar
      robbpell -
      Quote Originally Posted by thu6 View Post
      lol this is funny. everyone knows drug dealers use pay phones.
      been that long since you scored! lol 21st century man no one uses pay phones even 3rd graders have cell.
    1. unlockingsky's Avatar
      unlockingsky -
      since apple doesn't have a strong lobby at washington, they revert to FUD tactics... too late, they should have done this while bush and cheney was in power. they would buy into the FUD answer. lol
    1. Dash-2's Avatar
      Dash-2 -
      Very well written article PF.
    1. imuscle74's Avatar
      imuscle74 -
      Drug deal? What a joke! I would think they'll more likely use another phone instead of an iphone even to make anonymous calls to deal. There are so many drug deals out there even without the anonymous calling features. People are able to meet in person, by email, chatting online, and using prepaid phones you buy from wal-mart. Apple is getting too greedy and insecure. If they want to be the best, they should work nicely in this freedom country. I would think if they made jailbreaking illegal, nobody would want to buy the iphone to be with ATT. If they just kept quiet and let people jailbreak, i believe they'll increase their sales in the iphones and their revenue will skyrocket. They should ditch ATT and just sell to most carriers in the US such as t-mobile like they do in europe. I wonder how their business minds are. Don't they realize that wanting to be in total control of their customers products and a monopoly causes customers to feel negative against them in most cases? The customer pays big bucks for an iphone, sometimes $500+ brand new from the applestore without buying it from ATT, when it was actually assembled in china for a damn fraction of the cost.
    1. dale1v's Avatar
      dale1v -
      Quote Originally Posted by robbpell View Post
      been that long since you scored! lol 21st century man no one uses pay phones even 3rd graders have cell.

      Whoooosh! Careful! His statement flew right over your head!
      I don't think you'd be a very good criminal or spy, sorry
    1. djdraco's Avatar
      djdraco -
      Seems to me jailbreaking is only hurting AT&T by allowing an unlock to let iPhone users go with another gsm provider. Apple still gets the sale of the phone.
    1. NakedFaerie's Avatar
      NakedFaerie -
      Quote Originally Posted by poetic_folly View Post
      A few months back, Apple made a plea to the Copyright Office to make jailbreaking illegal. The EFF called their reasoning "absurd" and "FUD." It's still sitting before them to make a decision.
      I like that word FUD. What is the meaning? I think it means "F**k yoU D**kheads" HAHAHA
      I always say that about apple. They are morons and this just proves it.

      As I have no choice but to jailbreak my 2G iphone here in Aus I highly doubt it that jailbreaking will ever become illegal. I will sue them if it ever did. I brought a phone and it should work with any sim anywhere.
      Also, as its MY IPHONE I can do what I like with it. if I want to jailbreak it then Apple cant stop me. if I want to do anything with it then I can as its MINE!
      If I want to get my apps and themes etc from Cydia then I can. If I never want to use the App Store then I dont have to. It's my choice where I get the software from. If I want to use cracked apps then I will. They cant stop me from using MY phone the way I want to.

      FUD!

      Quote Originally Posted by ALN V. View Post
      "In further claims, they say jailbreaking could lead to cell towers or networks being taken down Hacks to the baseband processor (BBP) would mean “a local or international hacker could potentially initiate commands (such as a denial of service attack) that could crash the tower software, rendering the tower entirely inoperable to process calls or transmit data... taking control of the BBP software would be much the equivalent of getting inside the firewall of a corporate computer — to potentially catastrophic result."

      "That gives me an idea..nah."
      Lets try it. Apple told us it can be done so lets all get too it and make it happen.

      When a few cell towers around the world get taken down by DOS attacks we then can blame it on Apple as they said it can happen
      and told us how.
    1. spider_pig448's Avatar
      spider_pig448 -
      lol Apple's getting desprite
    1. w0by's Avatar
      w0by -
      I wouldn't ever sign an expensive crappy contract with AT&T. They're all communists.

      I totally agree. If you buy an iPhone....it's yours to keep. They can't tell you how to use it. You should be able to pop any SIM into the phone and just use it. This whole "locked" phone crap with all of the phones in the USA is ridiculous. At least when I call T-Mobile they just give me a free unlock code for my phones. Why doesn't the iPhone have an unlock code from AT&T? Hmmm....??
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Doesn't apple get a cut from AT&T monthly too? Hence the higher data prices, etc.
    1. ryan206's Avatar
      ryan206 -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      I will add though, so many people are saying they wouldnt own an iPhone if it wasn't for jailbreak. You need to think like the company does... Appstore Sales are the profit now, not the iphone hardware sales. Apple is trying to secure the app market so that they get a cut for every app that sells. The majority of people who own the iPhone still just keep it stock. That means if all of us jailbreakers stopped using the phone, but they were able to secure the apps market, they still win. Well, sort of. The question is, if you shut down the jailbreaking, will people then resort to buying MORE from the appstore? Currently cydiastore apps are those that we cannot find in the appstore anyway...
      I'm defiantly going to have to disagree with that..

      I don't know how much profit Apple makes per iPhone, but lets say $100 outta $700..

      Most iPhone Users I know, spend a total of $20 in the app store. Apple gets 30% of that $20, so they get $6 per iPhone User assuming they only spend $20 in the App Store.

      Lets shoot high, and say someone is bored, and decides to dump $200 in the app store. Apple gets a 30% cut, netting them $60.

      So, in the end, its more profitable to sell the devices than sell the Apps. Of course, they could leave it the way it is, and still make a healthy profit. even if they stop jailbreaking, most of the stuff people download thru Cydia isn't on the AppStore (WinterBoard, Bossprefs, SBSettings..)

      But,

      They can make jailbreaking illegal, but they can't realistically (and cost effectively) enforce it.

      So then, it moves along side piracy. While illegal, its hard to get caught.