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  • iPhone to get Micro-USB for Europe?!


    Since Apple released it's first iPod, they've been using a 30 Pin Dock Connector to manage charging and syncing options on devices such as iPods and even iPhones. Due to a recent agreement made, they might soon have a Micro-USB Port on the iPhone in place of or in addition to the traditional dock connector!

    According to a latest report, Apple along with 10 other mobile phone companies agreed to make smartphone devices supporting Micro-USB for the European market. The main cause for this agreement was the need to reduce multiple number of cables being used by European customers for their electronic devices, mainly smartphones

    The companies involved in the agreement account for around 90% market share in the smartphone market. These include Motorola, LG, NEC, Qualcomm, Research in Motion, Samsung and Texas Instruments along with Apple to name a few.

    The new devices will be sold with a standardized charger beginning from year 2010 as per the report.

    [Reuters]

    P.S. Apple might still not add a Micro-USB as there is no "legal binding" and it is just for the ones volunteering.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: iPhone to get Micro-USB for Europe?! started by sayam View original post
    Comments 52 Comments
    1. DarkoNova's Avatar
      DarkoNova -
      Quote Originally Posted by absolutchrys View Post
      Actually the first iPod synced through Firewire, the 2nd generation iPod introduced the 30-pin connector, but w/e.
      1st and 2nd used Firewire, actually. 3rd gen and up had the dock connector, but I think up until the "picture" iPod, they all still supported Firewire.

      Matt
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Mini usbs are cool. It makes no difference to me really though. I want wifi syncing, but don't care with which type of connector it charges with. Having everyone on the same page would work if you could have one cable for all phones which is highly unlikely.
    1. sayam's Avatar
      sayam -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dash-2 View Post
      A standard port on an Apple product?

      Who do you think you are?!

      *rolls eyes*
      Just got a new sig!
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
      Mini usbs are cool. I want wifi syncing
      Well it is micro not mini they say they are going to use. Not much difference other than the micro is newer and smaller meaning everything i own that has one of the 2 is a mini... I think they will include the micro as an extra port if anything at all. The micro cannot do all the things that the 30 pin can be used for. Examples video out and so on and so forth. But I hope this does happen. And then I hope every other company on this planet follows suit with every small piece of electronics. I understand power hungrey items are not going to work off of 5vdc, but everything that can should have the same connector. That would mean bad news for Green Plug!! But on the plus side the Mophie air already has the micro usb port!!

      ps... I want wifi syncing as well!! I want remote wifi syncing!! Here's to dreams!
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dash-2 View Post
      A standard port on an Apple product?

      Who do you think you are?!

      *rolls eyes*
      SD Cart Slots on Macbooks don't count?
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Ok I didn't realize there was a difference between micro and mini. I use the Air as well and the cable works just fine. No issues there.
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      SD Cart Slots on Macbooks don't count?
      That took long enough! They want these micro usb charging ports by 2010??? Chances of that are SLIM to none!
    1. k0mpresd's Avatar
      k0mpresd -
      i dont see how this is going to work. the phone requires several pins pulled down to a lower voltage via a couple resistors to tell the phone its ok to pull power from usb. the 3g does at least. the 2g charges off a couple firewire pins i believe. or thats the way i understood how it works at least. it doesnt work off straight 5v usb and ground. how are they going to fit all that in to a mini usb?
    1. ronblade's Avatar
      ronblade -
      Now why do I need this one so much? Its not a matter to be taken care off.cause I already have one and its fine for me don't need the new one.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Its not going to happen, no way
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      +1 agreed, apple will never do it
    1. Fallguy's Avatar
      Fallguy -
      Well , I would love to see it , but it would make sense to use a adapter for the older models and upgrade next years model to include the port along with their ipod port and then go to just micro usb after that . But who is to say that their wont be some new hook-up come along by then that could be the standard .
    1. Popple3's Avatar
      Popple3 -
      I think the main reason they wont do this, is that every iPod/iPhone docking station would be useless with the newer generation devices.
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by k0mpresd View Post
      i dont see how this is going to work. the phone requires several pins pulled down to a lower voltage via a couple resistors to tell the phone its ok to pull power from usb. the 3g does at least. the 2g charges off a couple firewire pins i believe. or thats the way i understood how it works at least. it doesnt work off straight 5v usb and ground. how are they going to fit all that in to a mini usb?
      The 2g is capable of charging with firewire or usb, if they set it up with both connectors they will probably run parallel. The input voltage for all iphones is 5v off usb. that is what all usb devices are at the moment. usb 3.0 might up the voltage but i am not sure about that. I know the amperage is supposed to increase which would just charge your device faster.

      Quote Originally Posted by Popple3 View Post
      I think the main reason they wont do this, is that every iPod/iPhone docking station would be useless with the newer generation devices.
      This is why they will have both connections! Like I mentioned before a standard micro usb cannot support all the extra functions the 30 pin connector is used for.
    1. k0mpresd's Avatar
      k0mpresd -
      Quote Originally Posted by phifer8390 View Post
      The 2g is capable of charging with firewire or usb, if they set it up with both connectors they will probably run parallel. The input voltage for all iphones is 5v off usb. that is what all usb devices are at the moment. usb 3.0 might up the voltage but i am not sure about that. I know the amperage is supposed to increase which would just charge your device faster.
      yes, the input voltage is 5v. but you cant just hook 5v and ground up to the phone to charge it. there are other pins that must be pulled down for the phone to recognize its on a dock or plugged in to to a charger and its ok to charge from usb.

      To charge an iPhone 3G / iPod Touch 2nd gen, usb data- (25) should be at 2.8v, usb data+(27) should be at 2.0v. This can be done with a few simple resistors: 33k to +5v (23) and 22k to gnd(16) to obtain 2v and 33k to +5v and 47k to gnd to obtain 2.8v. This is a "notification" to the iphone that it is connected to the external charger and may drain amps from the usb.
      source: Apple iPod and iPhone (2g, 3g) Dock Interfaces pinout and signals @ pinouts.ru
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by k0mpresd View Post
      yes, the input voltage is 5v. but you cant just hook 5v and ground up to the phone to charge it. there are other pins that must be pulled down for the phone to recognize its on a dock or plugged in to to a charger and its ok to charge from usb.



      source: Apple iPod and iPhone (2g, 3g) Dock Interfaces pinout and signals @ pinouts.ru
      Very interesting. I have used many third party usb chargers and I am pretty sure they are not setup the same. So either the resistors are inside on the motherboard or it will charge without these resistors but not as efficiently because the phone does not know it can drain amps from the usb.

      If anyone know more on this topic I would really like to know.
      But anyways if the resistors are inside the phone then they could still run the 2 connectors parallel and have a diode that would cancel or disable one connector if the other is already hooked up.
    1. k0mpresd's Avatar
      k0mpresd -
      go to your local walmart, purchase an iphone charger, and open the connector. they dont make it the size they do because they want to. theres a few resistors and a pcb stuffed in there.
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by k0mpresd View Post
      go to your local walmart, purchase an iphone charger, and open the connector. they dont make it the size they do because they want to. theres a few resistors and a pcb stuffed in there.
      There is always going to be some resistors. They are changing 120v ac or 240v ac to 5v dc. I am just saying that on none iphone usb chargers the voltage is not on the 2 data pins, but will still charge an iphone or ipod for that matter
    1. k0mpresd's Avatar
      k0mpresd -
      i have opened the connectors and matched them up with what the pinout page is referring to. it is accurate. this was on a 12v car car charger. and lol at using a resistor to drop 120v to 5v. that resistor wouldnt stand a chance.
    1. phifer8390's Avatar
      phifer8390 -
      Quote Originally Posted by k0mpresd View Post
      i have opened the connectors and matched them up with what the pinout page is referring to. it is accurate. this was on a 12v car car charger. and lol at using a resistor to drop 120v to 5v. that resistor wouldnt stand a chance.
      I am not saying just a resistor, but i am sure there are several in each charger. Anyways I think we have hijacked this tread enough!


      Back on topic: I really hope this happens!