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    RipDEV chasing Cydia success with 'Icy'. Installer5 to replace Installer4.
    Is the ongoing disappointment with RipDEV set to continue? Following the recent release of the Mac OS desktop prog InstallerApp (priced at $7!), which SkylarEC has already suggested repository owners may want to consider blocking as it leeches without serving up advertising used to pay for bandwidth, the RipDEV team today released Icy, a direct competitor to Cydia.

    Icy is free and will apparently complement the soon-to-be-released Installer5 that will replace Installer4. Despite their mild digs at Saurik and Cydia in their blog the RipDEV team state that they intend to make sure Icy and Installer exist peacefully alongside Cydia.

    Update/ Early reports are not good... there's a definite step forward in RipDEV's development, a lot like the sleekness of the app and, so far, there's been no reports of a SWOD. However we advise that you don't use Icy at the moment. When installed Icy sets itself up as an Essential Package, which means it kicks up warning messages when you try and uninstall it. Then there's the fact that, similar to InstallerApp, it leeches bandwidth from repositories without serving the ads that fund the server use. Also, considering the reponses in this thread, IPTF members are already reporting they've seen Icy freeze, crash, not update and lag. Kick icy into touch for now and stick with Cydia is our advice. Lets hope RipDEV can pull themselves together for Installer5, but we won't be holding our breath.

    Update#2/ A few select tweets from RipDEV & Saurik from the 24hrs after Icy release provide more detail on the pros & cons of Icy.


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    In the process of working on InstallerApp, we have extensively investigated how the technology behind Cydia works. Essentially, Cydia is a front-end to two open source technologies - APT and DPKG. DPKG is a system that installs and removes specially prepared packages (.deb files). APT allows these files to be organized in network "repositories" to be indexed and downloaded. Due to the highly unoptimal build of DPKG (as Jay Freeman, the author of Cydia, admits it in his article about Cydia) we had to compile DPKG and the tools needed from scratch. As a result, the same set of tools take only a little over than 1 megabyte as opposed to 32 installed by Cydia.

    While testing Cydia support for InstallerApp, we of course had to use Jay's creation a lot. And unfortunately it felt slow, and overloaded. We thought, well, why not make our own front-end to DPKG? It would be compatible with Cydia, but be focused on speed, elegance and be very, very thin. So one of our programmers sat down and made up in a week a new alternative installer that we are proud to reveal to you today, named Icy.

    IcyIcy 1.0 is pretty simple, and we plan on keeping it that way. It will only refresh repositories when you tell it to, and will not scroll pages of cool looking terminal text when installing or removing a package. Instead, it presents the installation process in a friendly and cool manner - enhanced with crisp black and white interface featuring icons by quite famous artist Max Rudberg. Icy uses the same DPKG that Cydia does, but without APT that handles downloading of repository indeces and packages - we chose to use a combination of libcurl and sqlite for that.




    Icy only downloads headers when refreshing repositories, so it won't download again the indeces that were not changed - this saves on your traffic and makes the refreshes faster. It will pick up existing Cydia repositories and also will allow you to add more through its Add Source interface.

    When we saw that Apple is moving towards supporting landscape mode more in the upcoming 3.0 firmware, we thought - hey, landscape is useful when browsing, too! So Icy supports landscape as well.

    Icy will always remain free. Despite what some people may think, we are not blind and we see what tremendious job Jay (saurik) Freeman and community source repository owners (such as The Big Boss, Fabiano Confuorto and others) have done over the past year - and this is our way to say "thank you" to them. We hope you will enjoy the "new kid on the block" - and we have extensive plans on enhancing it in the future versions - for example, 1.1 will have, among other things, a dependency graph for the packages.




    This being said, we will be slowly phasing out support of Installer 4 in favor of Icy and soon-to-be-announced Installer 5. Since we're a commercial entity with over 10 people in staff, we have the dedication and resources to make sure Icy and Installer exist and grow peacefully together with Cydia.

    Full story on the RipDEV blog. More details & 'how to install' on the Icy RipDEV page.

    How To InstallFrom Cydia: Add a new source apt.ripdev.com and then install Icy from the Packaging category.
    From Installer: Icy is available in the System category of Installer.
    What's Next?Keep an eye on our blog to see what is coming in the next updates to Icy.

    source : ipodtouchfans and ripdev
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Icy (Installer 5) started by gsr101 View original post
    Comments 68 Comments
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      From saurik's twitter
      Yes, and the wait commences.
    1. sp1ce's Avatar
      sp1ce -
      REALY!? The thing is bloated with advertisement. Congrats to a great idea poorly executed! Its slow, ugly, and ontop of it Jay Freeman is really smug. Sometimes reading his posts makes me want to punch him in the junk. Stop refering yourself in the 3rd person " I (Saurik) have released cydia, because I wish to make monkey of you suckers through my non-appstore appstore." Keep the jailbreaking free. Makes me want to scrap this iphone and go back to xda-developers where it's about the interesting things you can do with a smartphone and not the money grab.
    1. Stylingjatt's Avatar
      Stylingjatt -
      I just installed Icy after Jailbreaking with redsn0w . i didn't install cydia ..right everythng working fine so far . there is some updates to be need for cydia and icy rest of all good
    1. kwall's Avatar
      kwall -
      Quote Originally Posted by sp1ce View Post
      REALY!? The thing is bloated with advertisement. Congrats to a great idea poorly executed! Its slow, ugly, and ontop of it Jay Freeman is really smug. Sometimes reading his posts makes me want to punch him in the junk. Stop refering yourself in the 3rd person " I (Saurik) have released cydia, because I wish to make monkey of you suckers through my non-appstore appstore." Keep the jailbreaking free. Makes me want to scrap this iphone and go back to xda-developers where it's about the interesting things you can do with a smartphone and not the money grab.
      1. Mr. Freeman has released and contributed so much to this community and has devoted a huge amount of time to his projects where you on the other hand contributed nothing.

      2. He executed Cydia perfectly. Sure it has a few loose ends but he made it for us the jailbreak community. Also I did not think something had to be fast and shiny to just work. Cydia can do dependencies, Icy will just print a ugly error on the pretty screen you love so much.

      3. Mr. Freeman cannot be considered a smug for all the content and energy he provides to the community.

      4. He is not doing it for the money. For all the hours he put in designing Cydia before the store even launched he was not paid for. He is merely competing with Apple and provide those denied by Apple to sell their apps there is nothing wrong with this. And to think about the huge amount of server fees he must pay for is amazing. He needs help to pay off the servers costs.

      5. Please do scrap your iPhone and leave. I also suggests buying a push broom and lubricate it with butter so you can stop talking out of your ***.

      Regards,

      K-Wall
    1. NOTLONUF's Avatar
      NOTLONUF -
      that was a great post K-Wall.
    1. kwall's Avatar
      kwall -
      im glad you think so lol
    1. Erny's Avatar
      Erny -
      so.. how can we tell if i have icy 4 or 5 installed?
    1. tewman's Avatar
      tewman -
      Why does one have to be better than the other, what do we have to say how smug someone is, or that someone's contribution sucks.
      Compare you favorite features from one to the other, but all these guys have really done is add to quality of features that we get with our phones. My hats off to all that have contributed great work, and I really hope you get something back for all your work and effort.
      Thank you all for a full featured phone that isn't limited to one phone carrier, and for provide most all of your time invested at no cost. Again my hat's off to you.
      and if you want to put up a few for pay apps that help to gain some cash for you time, that's cool with me.