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    RipDEV chasing Cydia success with 'Icy'. Installer5 to replace Installer4.
    Is the ongoing disappointment with RipDEV set to continue? Following the recent release of the Mac OS desktop prog InstallerApp (priced at $7!), which SkylarEC has already suggested repository owners may want to consider blocking as it leeches without serving up advertising used to pay for bandwidth, the RipDEV team today released Icy, a direct competitor to Cydia.

    Icy is free and will apparently complement the soon-to-be-released Installer5 that will replace Installer4. Despite their mild digs at Saurik and Cydia in their blog the RipDEV team state that they intend to make sure Icy and Installer exist peacefully alongside Cydia.

    Update/ Early reports are not good... there's a definite step forward in RipDEV's development, a lot like the sleekness of the app and, so far, there's been no reports of a SWOD. However we advise that you don't use Icy at the moment. When installed Icy sets itself up as an Essential Package, which means it kicks up warning messages when you try and uninstall it. Then there's the fact that, similar to InstallerApp, it leeches bandwidth from repositories without serving the ads that fund the server use. Also, considering the reponses in this thread, IPTF members are already reporting they've seen Icy freeze, crash, not update and lag. Kick icy into touch for now and stick with Cydia is our advice. Lets hope RipDEV can pull themselves together for Installer5, but we won't be holding our breath.

    Update#2/ A few select tweets from RipDEV & Saurik from the 24hrs after Icy release provide more detail on the pros & cons of Icy.


    Quote:
    In the process of working on InstallerApp, we have extensively investigated how the technology behind Cydia works. Essentially, Cydia is a front-end to two open source technologies - APT and DPKG. DPKG is a system that installs and removes specially prepared packages (.deb files). APT allows these files to be organized in network "repositories" to be indexed and downloaded. Due to the highly unoptimal build of DPKG (as Jay Freeman, the author of Cydia, admits it in his article about Cydia) we had to compile DPKG and the tools needed from scratch. As a result, the same set of tools take only a little over than 1 megabyte as opposed to 32 installed by Cydia.

    While testing Cydia support for InstallerApp, we of course had to use Jay's creation a lot. And unfortunately it felt slow, and overloaded. We thought, well, why not make our own front-end to DPKG? It would be compatible with Cydia, but be focused on speed, elegance and be very, very thin. So one of our programmers sat down and made up in a week a new alternative installer that we are proud to reveal to you today, named Icy.

    IcyIcy 1.0 is pretty simple, and we plan on keeping it that way. It will only refresh repositories when you tell it to, and will not scroll pages of cool looking terminal text when installing or removing a package. Instead, it presents the installation process in a friendly and cool manner - enhanced with crisp black and white interface featuring icons by quite famous artist Max Rudberg. Icy uses the same DPKG that Cydia does, but without APT that handles downloading of repository indeces and packages - we chose to use a combination of libcurl and sqlite for that.




    Icy only downloads headers when refreshing repositories, so it won't download again the indeces that were not changed - this saves on your traffic and makes the refreshes faster. It will pick up existing Cydia repositories and also will allow you to add more through its Add Source interface.

    When we saw that Apple is moving towards supporting landscape mode more in the upcoming 3.0 firmware, we thought - hey, landscape is useful when browsing, too! So Icy supports landscape as well.

    Icy will always remain free. Despite what some people may think, we are not blind and we see what tremendious job Jay (saurik) Freeman and community source repository owners (such as The Big Boss, Fabiano Confuorto and others) have done over the past year - and this is our way to say "thank you" to them. We hope you will enjoy the "new kid on the block" - and we have extensive plans on enhancing it in the future versions - for example, 1.1 will have, among other things, a dependency graph for the packages.




    This being said, we will be slowly phasing out support of Installer 4 in favor of Icy and soon-to-be-announced Installer 5. Since we're a commercial entity with over 10 people in staff, we have the dedication and resources to make sure Icy and Installer exist and grow peacefully together with Cydia.

    Full story on the RipDEV blog. More details & 'how to install' on the Icy RipDEV page.

    How To InstallFrom Cydia: Add a new source apt.ripdev.com and then install Icy from the Packaging category.
    From Installer: Icy is available in the System category of Installer.
    What's Next?Keep an eye on our blog to see what is coming in the next updates to Icy.

    source : ipodtouchfans and ripdev
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Icy (Installer 5) started by gsr101 View original post
    Comments 68 Comments
    1. rwin84's Avatar
      rwin84 -
      Quote Originally Posted by soulthoughts View Post
      I disagree. While they may not be in it for the fame, money is a factor. Saurik gets a cut of every app sold or something to that effect. I venture to say that it started out as a project for Saurik and he saw an oppurtunity to make some money for his efforts. I applaud him for that.

      I know he's done a ton for the community and we all appreciate it, but do not ever think money is not a factor. It's capitalism at its best. If people will buy it people will sell it.

      I feel safe knowing that Saurik will continue to provide us with a vehicle to get free apps and that the spirit of Cydia will still be a community of people wanting 'cool' things for our jailbroken phones. At the same time I think Saurik is looking for a commercial angle and wouldn't be mad at him for making a buck.
      ^^ Saurik is in it for the community. Free is the underlying factor there. The only reason he has started selling anything or putting ads into cydia is to compensate for the huge load on the servers ( $$$ ) that the millions of jailbroken iphone users pillage on a daily basis. His intentions were never and still arent to get rich off of this. If it happens good for him but he has selflessly toiled over this and us for two years now to bring us to where we are now. Just say "Thank You" and understand that there are people that do things for the love of it not just for a buck.

      furthermore the guys at ripdev have more concerned with making money far longer than many in the community. think caterpillar or kate... theyve been charging for apps for a long time. no selflessness there
    1. blazingangel1986's Avatar
      blazingangel1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by gsr101 View Post
      yeah =(
      i thik cydia is still beter
      I agree cydia is still gr8 the app piggy backs off of cydia lol wow and there are no categories makes things a little hectic ill be getting rid of this now Installer had its time too lol wow i remeber those days
    1. soulthoughts's Avatar
      soulthoughts -
      Quote Originally Posted by rwin84 View Post
      ^^ Saurik is in it for the community. Free is the underlying factor there. The only reason he has started selling anything or putting ads into cydia is to compensate for the huge load on the servers ( $$$ ) that the millions of jailbroken iphone users pillage on a daily basis. His intentions were never and still arent to get rich off of this. If it happens good for him but he has selflessly toiled over this and us for two years now to bring us to where we are now. Just say "Thank You" and understand that there are people that do things for the love of it not just for a buck.

      furthermore the guys at ripdev have more concerned with making money far longer than many in the community. think caterpillar or kate... theyve been charging for apps for a long time. no selflessness there
      I think we'll have to agree to disagree on some points. Other points were on the same page. I agree that Saurik is here for the community. I've said as much. But is he going to turn down a chance go make money? No.

      I relaize there are people out there that do things for the love it but on a whole, those people are far and few between.

      If he can make money I support him. If he wants to I do it for free I support him. But I still think he would be crazy not to try to turn a buck.

      Good discussion!
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      Well, I tried to install Icy from Installer 4. It installed InstallerApp Support and then Icy. During installation my phone hung and then rebooted. I hate when that happens. I knew from there it was going to be an issue. My phone came back online and the Icy icon wasn't there. Obviously because of the sudden reboot during it's installation. So I went back into Installer and uninstalled Icy and InstallerApp Support and attempted to reinstall both.

      I'm silly for even attempting to install it from Installer I know. But there seem to be 2 different versions of the InstallerApp Support program. Now I get an error whenever it tries to apparently install the older version which is version 1.24-2. The newest version is 1.25-2. I think it's confused now. In any event I got Icy and InstallerApp Support 1.25-2 installed and closed Installer. Icy appeared on my home screen after a brief freeze up (Installer does that on my phone).

      I opened Icy and apparently it works....for about 5 seconds before it crashes to my home screen. I can look at the Sources, Installed and About tabs and see all the info there before it crashes. It crashes each time. I uninstalled and reinstalled from Installer a number of times. Same thing is happening. SO then I decided to add the source to Cydia and install it from there. I had uninstalled everything from Installer before this of course. Cydia installed Icy with no problem. However, I'm still having the same problem.

      I honestly want to try Icy out for myself to see what is all the buzz. But I can't because it crashes back to my home screen after 5 seconds. I suppose I can email RipDev but they annoyed me many months ago when I was emailing them back and forth over the whole Kate and Winterboard incompatibility fiasco.. Before I break down and actually email them has anyone here had the same issue I'm having and fixed it? If not I guess I will email them...........................................
    1. Chase817's Avatar
      Chase817 -
      Ahh, this thread just brought back memories, does anyone remember using this installer?


      The earlier days of jailbreaking :')
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      I still use Installer lol. But the only thing I actually have installed from it is "Rename" because for some reason I couldn't get it in Cydia. I keep Installer 4 just in case as a last resort back up if for some reason Cydia is unusable or dies and I reeeeeeally don't feel like restoring and rejailbreaking (I haven't restored or rejailbroken since the 2.2 firmware update. I'm on a role so far "knocks on wood"). Of course in the event of Icy I actually used it again. But I remember the Installer heyday in the Firmware 1.1.4 days. Ahhh now those were some real good memories.
    1. Drewster727's Avatar
      Drewster727 -
      "Good artists create... Great artists steal."

      guess where that one is from!!! hahaha!

      but in all seriousness, I think it'd be nice to keep some variety, regardless of what is piggybacking off of what.
    1. adsonjustin's Avatar
      adsonjustin -
      interesting... 
    1. sujahat's Avatar
      sujahat -
      neat! cant wait to try it out.
    1. AppleIT's Avatar
      AppleIT -
      Will install Icy when I get home as I have an iPod touch and my wifi at work is offline right now, but it looks clean but as far as merging with Saurik, I don't think he will do it as a dev is a dev and holds his land to himself.

      Sharing is not an option for most devs in this generation.
    1. tattoojack's Avatar
      tattoojack -
      i personally dont care if its called cydia, installer 4, installer 5, icy, crap on a stick, iphone crasher.
      hell call it whatever.
      as long as i can get what i need when i need it and it doesnt crash my phone, its cool with me.
      but seriously, we only need one.
      cydia works just fine
      installer4 is gabage
    1. stefan4711's Avatar
      stefan4711 -
      Hi,

      I found one thing that is strange in Icy. It is the same regardless if you run Icy 1.0 or 1.1.

      The problem is that som categories that are visible in Cydia, as they should, is not visible in Icy. For instance the Alohasoft Category that came from an installer source I added by myself.

      I suspect Icy can not handle that correctly. I think that is BAD.

      My vote still goes to Cydia as always.
    1. Nibbers's Avatar
      Nibbers -
      Icy is ok. But I'm sticking with cydia for now.
    1. Truckerbear's Avatar
      Truckerbear -
      I have installed icy.app through cydia on a jailbroken/unlocked 3g iphone and it won't run no matter what I do. Have tried manually installing through WinSCP setting all the permissions correctly and it crashes upon opening.

      So then I tried on my unlocked/jailbroken 2g iPhone and it again crashes upon opening. Tried manually installing and setting permission correctly and even upped the permissions to chmod 777 and still nothing.

      Any suggestions would be great.
    1. mofolo's Avatar
      mofolo -
      Quote Originally Posted by tattoojack View Post
      i personally dont care if its called cydia, installer 4, installer 5, icy, crap on a stick, iphone crasher.
      hell call it whatever.
      as long as i can get what i need when i need it and it doesnt crash my phone, its cool with me.
      but seriously, we only need one.
      cydia works just fine
      installer4 is gabage
      Words of Wisdom.
    1. ajl917's Avatar
      ajl917 -
      RipDev just needs to either help Saurik with his product or give up! Cydia IS the Installer for 2.x firmware. Making a competition wont do anything because devs arent getting paid for anything and RipDev has a terrible reputation for all of the stuff he has done in the past. Bottom line, help Saurik, or get out!
    1. JStraitiff's Avatar
      JStraitiff -
      i am using icy on 3.0 and it works great, i like it alot and i hate to say it but it is a great alternative to cydia

      all that it is missing is updates section

      as much as i hate ripdev i have to say that i love icy
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Installer has been here from day 1.
    1. Ichwohneinloche's Avatar
      Ichwohneinloche -
      Quote Originally Posted by him121213 View Post
      i am using icy on 3.0 and it works great, i like it alot and i hate to say it but it is a great alternative to cydia

      all that it is missing is updates section

      as much as i hate ripdev i have to say that i love icy
      Haha couldnt agree with you more dude. I love it its so quick and responsive and i dont have to wait 2 minutes when ever i start it for the updating to refresh. There is an Updates section under installed at the top right corner but i believe that only shows updates for installed things. Some one correct me if im wrong.
    1. batistamr's Avatar
      batistamr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Truckerbear View Post
      I have installed icy.app through cydia on a jailbroken/unlocked 3g iphone and it won't run no matter what I do. Have tried manually installing through WinSCP setting all the permissions correctly and it crashes upon opening.

      So then I tried on my unlocked/jailbroken 2g iPhone and it again crashes upon opening. Tried manually installing and setting permission correctly and even upped the permissions to chmod 777 and still nothing.

      Any suggestions would be great.
      uninstall cyntact. It worked for me. I saw it on another forum (cant remember where, sorry...)