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    RipDEV chasing Cydia success with 'Icy'. Installer5 to replace Installer4.
    Is the ongoing disappointment with RipDEV set to continue? Following the recent release of the Mac OS desktop prog InstallerApp (priced at $7!), which SkylarEC has already suggested repository owners may want to consider blocking as it leeches without serving up advertising used to pay for bandwidth, the RipDEV team today released Icy, a direct competitor to Cydia.

    Icy is free and will apparently complement the soon-to-be-released Installer5 that will replace Installer4. Despite their mild digs at Saurik and Cydia in their blog the RipDEV team state that they intend to make sure Icy and Installer exist peacefully alongside Cydia.

    Update/ Early reports are not good... there's a definite step forward in RipDEV's development, a lot like the sleekness of the app and, so far, there's been no reports of a SWOD. However we advise that you don't use Icy at the moment. When installed Icy sets itself up as an Essential Package, which means it kicks up warning messages when you try and uninstall it. Then there's the fact that, similar to InstallerApp, it leeches bandwidth from repositories without serving the ads that fund the server use. Also, considering the reponses in this thread, IPTF members are already reporting they've seen Icy freeze, crash, not update and lag. Kick icy into touch for now and stick with Cydia is our advice. Lets hope RipDEV can pull themselves together for Installer5, but we won't be holding our breath.

    Update#2/ A few select tweets from RipDEV & Saurik from the 24hrs after Icy release provide more detail on the pros & cons of Icy.


    Quote:
    In the process of working on InstallerApp, we have extensively investigated how the technology behind Cydia works. Essentially, Cydia is a front-end to two open source technologies - APT and DPKG. DPKG is a system that installs and removes specially prepared packages (.deb files). APT allows these files to be organized in network "repositories" to be indexed and downloaded. Due to the highly unoptimal build of DPKG (as Jay Freeman, the author of Cydia, admits it in his article about Cydia) we had to compile DPKG and the tools needed from scratch. As a result, the same set of tools take only a little over than 1 megabyte as opposed to 32 installed by Cydia.

    While testing Cydia support for InstallerApp, we of course had to use Jay's creation a lot. And unfortunately it felt slow, and overloaded. We thought, well, why not make our own front-end to DPKG? It would be compatible with Cydia, but be focused on speed, elegance and be very, very thin. So one of our programmers sat down and made up in a week a new alternative installer that we are proud to reveal to you today, named Icy.

    IcyIcy 1.0 is pretty simple, and we plan on keeping it that way. It will only refresh repositories when you tell it to, and will not scroll pages of cool looking terminal text when installing or removing a package. Instead, it presents the installation process in a friendly and cool manner - enhanced with crisp black and white interface featuring icons by quite famous artist Max Rudberg. Icy uses the same DPKG that Cydia does, but without APT that handles downloading of repository indeces and packages - we chose to use a combination of libcurl and sqlite for that.




    Icy only downloads headers when refreshing repositories, so it won't download again the indeces that were not changed - this saves on your traffic and makes the refreshes faster. It will pick up existing Cydia repositories and also will allow you to add more through its Add Source interface.

    When we saw that Apple is moving towards supporting landscape mode more in the upcoming 3.0 firmware, we thought - hey, landscape is useful when browsing, too! So Icy supports landscape as well.

    Icy will always remain free. Despite what some people may think, we are not blind and we see what tremendious job Jay (saurik) Freeman and community source repository owners (such as The Big Boss, Fabiano Confuorto and others) have done over the past year - and this is our way to say "thank you" to them. We hope you will enjoy the "new kid on the block" - and we have extensive plans on enhancing it in the future versions - for example, 1.1 will have, among other things, a dependency graph for the packages.




    This being said, we will be slowly phasing out support of Installer 4 in favor of Icy and soon-to-be-announced Installer 5. Since we're a commercial entity with over 10 people in staff, we have the dedication and resources to make sure Icy and Installer exist and grow peacefully together with Cydia.

    Full story on the RipDEV blog. More details & 'how to install' on the Icy RipDEV page.

    How To InstallFrom Cydia: Add a new source apt.ripdev.com and then install Icy from the Packaging category.
    From Installer: Icy is available in the System category of Installer.
    What's Next?Keep an eye on our blog to see what is coming in the next updates to Icy.

    source : ipodtouchfans and ripdev
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Icy (Installer 5) started by gsr101 View original post
    Comments 68 Comments
    1. Real_Iphonecrazy's Avatar
      Real_Iphonecrazy -
      Rip dev should go find a dark dirty little corner and go and curl up in it for ever. They failed misserably with installer4 and now have the cheek to piggy back of Jays excellent app Cydia. Its a p*ss take come on people open your eyes.

      Remember they are greedy people that will obviously do anything to try and get a piece of the action, they can not be relied upon to keep any of there apps up to date and will stoop low very low when they need to.

      I will not be installing anything from rip dev. I've got to much respect for Jay and absolutly none for rip dev. It proper anoys me that there getting the attention there getting, they just don't deserve it.

      Winterboard v Kate senario
      SbSettings v Hood
      Quickpwn v Pusher
      MobileSubstrate v ripdevsversion psudosubstrate or whatever it's called
      Cydia v Icy

      Do none of you see a patern here?

      My 2 cent worth
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      I am sticking with Cydia. I don't have the slow factor that a lot of people are talking about here. It was that way a few releases ago, but now Cydia is very fast on my phone.
    1. RpR's Avatar
      RpR -
      Let's get one thing straight here: Icy doesn't piggyback on Cydia. In fact you can remove Cydia if you want, Icy will work just fine without it.
      Cydia and Icy just use the same TOOLS and PROTOCOLS to download and install application, that's all.
      Saurik didn't invent DKPG or APT, he just adopted it for the iphone. DKPG and APT are both big heavy scripts though, and ripdev rewrote em from scratch to cut it down from 32mb to 3mb.

      Dont knock Icy if you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
      That said, there's still a few bugs. Mainly it tends to hang updating sources every now and often.
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      Quote Originally Posted by RpR View Post
      Let's get one thing straight here: Icy doesn't piggyback on Cydia. In fact you can remove Cydia if you want, Icy will work just fine without it.
      Cydia and Icy just use the same TOOLS and PROTOCOLS to download and install application, that's all.
      Saurik didn't invent DKPG or APT, he just adopted it for the iphone. DKPG and APT are both big heavy scripts though, and ripdev rewrote em from scratch to cut it down from 32mb to 3mb.

      Dont knock Icy if you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
      That said, there's still a few bugs. Mainly it tends to hang updating sources every now and often.
      I wish I could get it to work. No one responded to my request. I even emailed RipDev but they don't seem to know how to help me lol. And I'm not restoring again until 3.0. So, I guess I won't be using Icy.
    1. Pl4ter's Avatar
      Pl4ter -
      wow..this is wonderful news! going to try out icy right now!
    1. RpR's Avatar
      RpR -
      btw, there is the "more info" page in Icy aswell, just click the little arrow to the right of the application / theme etc. and you'll be taken to it, including it's advertisement, so dont say it's all stripped folks. I dont see any reason to not use Icy, it's a lot faster than Cydia.
    1. Real_Iphonecrazy's Avatar
      Real_Iphonecrazy -
      People should do a little home work on what rip dev are about and the dirty little tricks theve got up to nevermind the way they have slaged of some of the best devs around.

      They want your money full stop end off, they dont offer any support on any of there apps and they dont care about you.

      They see a good idea and they try and copy it, instead of doing something original.

      eg. Installer 4 - they bought from Nulriver
      Kate copied from Customise
      Pusher copied from Quickpwn
      desktop-installerApp copied from Rockmyiphone
      Hood copied from SBSettings
      PsudoSubstrate (or whatever its called) copied from MobileSubstrate
      Icy copied from Cydia

      I belive in credit were credits due but rip dev dont deserve any

      Full stop end of argument. i'm right and if you dont agree your wrong.

      lol ha ha
    1. gladesmellzgood's Avatar
      gladesmellzgood -
      Quote Originally Posted by Real_Iphonecrazy View Post
      People should do a little home work on what rip dev are about and the dirty little tricks theve got up to nevermind the way they have slaged of some of the best devs around.

      They want your money full stop end off, they dont offer any support on any of there apps and they dont care about you.

      They see a good idea and they try and copy it, instead of doing something original.

      eg. Installer 4 - they bought from Nulriver
      Kate copied from Customise
      Pusher copied from Quickpwn
      desktop-installerApp copied from Rockmyiphone
      Hood copied from SBSettings
      PsudoSubstrate (or whatever its called) copied from MobileSubstrate
      Icy copied from Cydia

      I belive in credit were credits due but rip dev dont deserve any

      Full stop end of argument. i'm right and if you dont agree your wrong.

      lol ha ha
      In my experience most things they copy don't work nearly as well as the original. They come with a lot of bugs the mess with the iphone. I do however like hood only because it frees up space better than processes on sbsettings, that and they're no ads in hood.
    1. Real_Iphonecrazy's Avatar
      Real_Iphonecrazy -
      @gladesmellzgood

      at least someome else knows whats what.


      I to like Hood, its a shame rip dev dont come up with there own idea's. They'd earn a lot more respect if they did. but I dont see them changing there too greedy.
    1. tattoojack's Avatar
      tattoojack -
      so rip dev stands for,
      "we RIP the DEVs off of all their ideas, even their names"?

      figures

      i remember growin up hearin my dad say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

      they are offering a buggy alternative to a tried and true method, and reccomend not running both but dumping cydia altogether???

      get outta here with that crap!
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      Well, I finally got Icy installed. And I did it by restoring my iPhone. I didn't restore JUST to get Icy lol. It needed it. I hadn't restored since the day firmware 2.2 was released. And I noticed that a lot of things have been going wrong lately. But hey I have to admit that's the longest I've gone without having to restore EVER! I'd say that's a great record.

      As for Icy, I like it. I don't really give a crap what installer there is to get apps. As long as it works. I will still use Cydia, I do on rare occasions still use Installer 4. And now it looks like I will use Icy a lot. It's all about preference. I'm not abandoning Cydia but I will also use Icy. I could have just as easily chose NOT to install Installer with QuickPWN but I chose to install. You never know what can happen. At anytime Installer might be all there is for whatever reason.

      It makes more sense to broaden ones horizons and not be so closed minded because of what a developer has done. I'm sure many of you still hate on Zibri maker of ZiPhone lol. But hey even if he did copy something from someone else it worked extremely well for me. I'm not for stealing and ALL for giving credit where credit is do. If he didn't give proper credit then that's on him. ZiPhone apparently had some vulnerabilities in it as explained by BigBoss but it never failed me when I needed it.

      Now we have Icy. And it appears people are spewing venom at RipDev for copying Cydia. I've had some negative dealings with RipDev in the past in the form of them making Kate not compatible with Winterboard. THAT pissed me off! But I have gotten over it and moved on. All I really care about now is using my iPhone to the best of it's ability. So, saying that I will keep the Big 3. Because whether we like it or not the big 3 are in this order... ---> CYDIA, INSTALLER, ICY...

      I say bring it on. The iPhone can only get better at this point with things like Palm's PRE for Sprint coming out. This is gonna be FUN!!!!!!! ^_^
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      How is Icy faster? You still have to do a sources refresh to get the newest additions to show up and the "more info" section...doesn't show anything in mine?
    1. Boeing_A380's Avatar
      Boeing_A380 -
      The advantages of Icy are yet to be realised... RipDev, now has 15 coders/desingers/whatever. Jay is just a freelance. I'm not saying Cydia is crap - it is brilliant, and the communities would be very different without it at the moment, but he has failed a bit in his priorites. He said himself that he puts speed at the bottom of the list, not what everyone else wants. Sure there are errors and bugs in Icy, but why not give it a chance?
    1. BenzoHartt's Avatar
      BenzoHartt -
      with all of the new stuff coming out in 3.0 ... its really R.I.P. RipDev!
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      I updated to 3.0 and have only one phrase concerning Icy:

      DO NOT WANT
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Some people trust the RipDev team.
      They are welcome to ICY.

      I don't and will stick with Cydia until something better comes along.
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      I think Icy is here to stay. And more people are using it than I think they will admit lol. I however will never abandon Cydia because it is more stable than Icy in many regard. However, if I need a quick interface for installing Icy is the winner at the moment until Saurik speeds Cydia up. In fact that's my only gripe with Cydia is that it is slower and crashes upon certain uses causing me to have to reload and redownload a package. If Saurik can work that type of stuff out there will be no real need for Icy. In the meantime it's a passable alternative regardless of the opposition to it.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      I don't think that many people are using ICY.
      Lots of people distrust RipDev so much they won't allow anything of theirs near their iPhone.
      Myself included.
    1. kiddoko's Avatar
      kiddoko -
      I agree with the mistrust but disagree with the usage. Works fine for me. Now just need to wait for Saurik to update Cydia for speed and memory issues. After that I won't need Icy anymore lol.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      From saurik's twitter

      Cydia will get faster, but Icy will never be compatible with APT... APT is what attracted many of the better developers.