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  • Windows Mobile Developers Join Verizon for Apple Bashing





    The Windows Mobile development team has unleashed a subtle but stinging new video that promotes the Windows Marketplace for Mobile at Apple's expense.

    Indirectly addressing the glut of "pointless apps" that line Apple's App Store, the ad gently pokes fun at the superfluous applications that supposedly waste our time and serve little purpose.

    According to Todd Bishop's Microsoft blog at Tech Flash:

    That seems to be the underlying message in this spoof video posted on YouTube today by Microsoft's Windows Mobile Dev team, even though it features fictional Microsoft lab staff, and Apple is never mentioned by name.
    Although Microsoft continues to expand its virtual store's library by leaps and bounds since its October 6th grand opening, the company still offers only a paltry number of apps in comparison to Apple's current whopping catalog of 85,000 applications.

    The parody, however, also chides Apple's recent hypocritical behavior in determining which apps to accept or reject. In the video, the characters suggest ridiculous apps that Microsoft may have also shot down - including apps that shock the owner and create fake mustaches.

    Microsoft is trying to drum up interest in its rival to the App store, dubbed Windows Marketplace for Mobile, which launched earlier this month in conjunction with the Windows Mobile 6.5 release.
    Despite a flurry of recent attacks - including those by Verizon - Apple is largely unaffected. Having posted record quarterly earnings this week and then thrilling Apple fans with a slate of new offerings, the folks at Apple are probably laughing right along with the rest of us at the not-so-gentle jabs that have come flying from all directions.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Windows Mobile Developers Join Verizon for Apple Bashing started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 99 Comments
    1. plaintom's Avatar
      plaintom -
      Ok, yeah, I'm an Apple fan. I have iPhones, iPods and a MacBook Pro. But I also have several Windows PCs and laptops. And yep, I had a plethora of cell phones. Do I think everything Apple does is great and everything MS does is bad - heck no, that would be crazy.

      BUT...FUNNY is FUNNY and that video is FUNNY.

      Sometimes we just gotta relax and take it for what it is...satire. Laugh, it's not all that serious.
    1. riku98523's Avatar
      riku98523 -
      Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
      What lesson do we take away from all this kiddies?

      MIcrosoft has no backbone and waits for a cell phone company to take aim at Apple before they get the NUTS to even try and talk about Apple in any way.

      Pathetic, as always.
      Hmm I see it as M$ has no reason to go after Apple when it comes to computers because Windows is far superior but when it comes to phones Apple obviously has the current lead with the iPhone. Apple is the company without a backbone they target person on the planet. Don't even think about walking into an Apple store while eating an Apple you might get sued for "stealing" their creation.
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by icreepin View Post
      Have you took a look at the android OS? its completely opensource so anyone can develope and change anything on the phone. The hardware that the OS runs on is faster with more memory then the Iphone, Pre, and BB storm.

      I have developed (for a private firm) apps for BB, Iphone, and WM devices and will be doing the same for android.

      I can honestly say from a corporate stand point the android is more favorable then the BB devices, from a private stand point the android is going to give the Iphone a run for its money.
      the hardware that the android runs on is faster with more memory? lmao what kind of android are you working with? I've gone to stores and actually used the OS and it's crappy all around from G1 straight to MyTouch 3g. The hardware is horrible and not as responsive.. maybe you're comparing it to the original iPhone or something because it definetly doesn't compare to 3Gs.

      And open source? That's cute but one of my friends always has to reformat his phone because he downloaded some crappy ROM from joe the plumber. I don't want everyone having access to the Core OS of my phone. As long as apps are open sourced than that's fine with me.

      Quote Originally Posted by riku98523 View Post
      Hmm I see it as M$ has no reason to go after Apple when it comes to computers because Windows is far superior but when it comes to phones Apple obviously has the current lead with the iPhone. Apple is the company without a backbone they target person on the planet. Don't even think about walking into an Apple store while eating an Apple you might get sued for "stealing" their creation.

      lol @ eating the apple. But PCs being far more superior than Macs? ehhh i don't know about that statement. Windows is just the industry standard but that doesn't make it far more superior. Have you ever owned a Mac? Used one? I use both and enjoy them for what they do. I hope the release of Windows 7 will have the bugs fixed when it comes to printing.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      You wouldn't want to eat the Apple from Apple computers - I always thought it was the remains of Alan Turing's apple after he took his fatal mouth full.
    1. fletch33's Avatar
      fletch33 -
      if M$ was lucky enough to have an app store than they would also have any easy way to point out the pointless apps. however they dont and if you want an app for your M$ phone then :

      1. first you need to hunt down the app for what your trying to do from whatever site might sell it (AppStars is a joke)
      2. then be sure to get the proper version for the WM OS that you are running
      3. say 3 prayers and hope that Activesync wants to work as it is supposed to
      4. figure out if the file you downloaded is the type that is supposed to be run on the computer and then installed through activesync or if you are supposed to transfer the file to the phone and then run it.
      5. if everything above worked then you should have your new app on your WM phone


      until M$ gets their stuff together like the iPhone had they should try to avoid poking fun at one of their biggest weaknesses.

      i agree there are a ton of useless apps but who am i to say what is pointless and if someone took the time to develop them and somebody e;se wants to buy or download them then thats great. its nice to know that if i want an app that just has a big red button your not supposed to push then its there for me.

      when M$ advances to a point that they have some organization between their phone models and OS version and what works on what etc... and all their apps are in one place they should just concentrate on the serious market share they lost and why.

      the Apple on our phones may be a small part of what sells the iPhone but in reality for the average user it is the first time (my wife for example) that they could have a smart phone that was easy to find, install, and use apps on with really no computer knowledge.
    1. Ticko's Avatar
      Ticko -
      i think it was pretty funny if you actually consider how many POINTLESS apps we have and how many SWEEET apps they wont let through...imo still love my iphone though wouldnt change it for the world considering its jb
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by fletch33 View Post
      if M$ was lucky enough to have an app store
      You mean like Windows Marketplace?
    1. tom28's Avatar
      tom28 -
      $10 says this video was produced on a Mac
    1. fletch33's Avatar
      fletch33 -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      You mean like Windows Marketplace?
      hahaha confucious i already had this reply typed for your response with the Marketplace

      the marketplace is a place with apps but it is not even close in ease of use to the app store. im sure you have used it. i know a lot of not-at-all techy people with an iPhone that have many apps on it and they use them all the time. i also know a lot of fairly techy people who are confused on how to use most things on their windows phone and rarely are they doing all they can with it.

      i wasnt trying to make a stance on how much better the app store is for me but for the average user and even below average. i gave my old 2G that is wifi only to a 10 year old the other day and after i showed them where the app store button was they had no more questions for me and played with it for hours and when they returned it i had like 10 new apps on it that they had downloaded. this girl was 10 years old.

      i have adult friends that cant figure out how to do things on their WM phones.

      i personally miss a LOT of things i could do with my WM phone that i cant with the iPhone or at least not without JB first. i still have a modern WM smartphone and i still like it but you really cant compare the app store to the marketplace.
    1. tom28's Avatar
      tom28 -
      ..
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by fletch33 View Post
      hahaha confucious im sure you have used it.
      No, I don't use WM now. I donated my Athena to the AP team. I still have few WM devices as spares and the wife uses one as a basic phone but since I got my iPhone I really can't be bothered with the hassle of WM....
    1. TooSlo's Avatar
      TooSlo -
      Quote Originally Posted by tom28 View Post
      $10 says this video was produced on a Mac
      Considering I know the people who are in the WinMo division who made this, I can guarantee that you will be forking $10 over.


      That being said, it's looking almost as though the diehard Apple fans are becoming quite defensive in this thread. Both the Android OS as well as WinMo are developing into fairly robust platforms.

      Sure some people have seen a G1/MyTouch running the Hero ROM, and yes, it's laggy because the phone wasn't designed with that particular OS version in mind. Try comparing an older generation Mac and trying to run the newest OS on it. Might be a little on the laggy end of things, just like these phones.

      Sadly I'm not all that impressed with the new design of the Verizon Droid phone. I love the specs, but can't get over the asthetics of the case. I'm a creature of comfort, and things like sharp edges just don't jive with me on a phone, even though I much prefer the Android OS over the iphone.

      I like being able to have actively developed widgets straight from Google. I like not having to go through a million steps of configuration just to get them up and running. I absolutely LOVED my email widget included in the Hero ROM. Being able to actively go through email on my main desktop was fantastic!

      While I'm not a devout fanboy of the Android OS (I've been using an iphone afterall) I do feel that they are going to make a decent dent in the smartphone market with Verizon advertising behind them. I like being able to theme out of the box, to change backgrounds without having to hack my phone. I like the ability to bring my phone in for service without being told "We can't help you since you jailbroke your phone"

      C'mon guys, I realize that there is the absolutely devout following behind the iphone, but practice what you preach. Be open to innovation, enjoy that other companies are pushing incredibly hard to breathe life into the smartphone market!


      On a funny side note:

      Since I don't get 3G service at work, I routinely have to turn on my wireless tethering from my G1 just to get a decent connection to the internet to download things from Cydia. I <3 you AT&T.
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by TooSlo View Post
      Considering I know the people who are in the WinMo division who made this, I can guarantee that you will be forking $10 over.


      That being said, it's looking almost as though the diehard Apple fans are becoming quite defensive in this thread. Both the Android OS as well as WinMo are developing into fairly robust platforms.

      Sure some people have seen a G1/MyTouch running the Hero ROM, and yes, it's laggy because the phone wasn't designed with that particular OS version in mind. Try comparing an older generation Mac and trying to run the newest OS on it. Might be a little on the laggy end of things, just like these phones.

      Sadly I'm not all that impressed with the new design of the Verizon Droid phone. I love the specs, but can't get over the asthetics of the case. I'm a creature of comfort, and things like sharp edges just don't jive with me on a phone, even though I much prefer the Android OS over the iphone.

      I like being able to have actively developed widgets straight from Google. I like not having to go through a million steps of configuration just to get them up and running. I absolutely LOVED my email widget included in the Hero ROM. Being able to actively go through email on my main desktop was fantastic!

      While I'm not a devout fanboy of the Android OS (I've been using an iphone afterall) I do feel that they are going to make a decent dent in the smartphone market with Verizon advertising behind them. I like being able to theme out of the box, to change backgrounds without having to hack my phone. I like the ability to bring my phone in for service without being told "We can't help you since you jailbroke your phone"

      C'mon guys, I realize that there is the absolutely devout following behind the iphone, but practice what you preach. Be open to innovation, enjoy that other companies are pushing incredibly hard to breathe life into the smartphone market!


      On a funny side note:

      Since I don't get 3G service at work, I routinely have to turn on my wireless tethering from my G1 just to get a decent connection to the internet to download things from Cydia. I <3 you AT&T.

      There's no doubt in my mind that Android will leave a dent in this business. They are the next best thing to iPhone OS. They just need to be more independent and not take pieces here and there from iPhone OS and claim it's better. They need more innovative ideas and they'll be great. Also, better hardware and more refinement.
    1. TooSlo's Avatar
      TooSlo -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
      That's not the phone or hardware, that's the guy who's stupid enough to use shady ROM's. Obviously you're a typical mac user because you believe that the computer/phone needs to protect itself from the person between the chair and the keyboard. Open source lets you do whatever you want, even if that means bricking the phone because of your own dumb self, as your "friend" seems to have found out.
      I think this is a downfall to most consumers though. They suffer from a "I need this right now and it has to work or someone besides me did something wrong!" type attitude.

      When I was working with modding my G1 on a regular basis, one of the key parts was making sure you had the correct radio version and a specific board (at first) before trying to load things like the Hero ROM. Quite a few people bricked their phones, and yes, I do feel for them. (Note: When I say brick, I don't mean it in the iphone users here sense that they have to reformat. I'm talking use the damn thing as a paperweight type brick)

      I personally enjoy making modifications to my phone, but I also tend to do a lot of reading beforehand, which is really what is needed when making modifications to the core of the OS. It seems people don't really understand this currently and get upset when they were the ones to make the mistake.

      /shrug

      I'm sure I'll hop ship to the next best thing when it comes around. Thankfully I don't even pay for my iphone anymore since it's now my "business line."
    1. brotherbond007's Avatar
      brotherbond007 -
      My 2 cents..PC originally had a better marketing model. No real competition, Apple needed a loan, Gates bailed them out and made good on the loan with good products and a better marketing model. PC is everywhere, yes. I have both. My Mac never gets a virus, I didn't have to buy a yearly package to protect it. My Mac does way more for me. I have an iPhone, owned every model, love it to death. Had three Blackberry's, will never go back! NEVER..

      You know you have arrived when you've made a product that your competitors want to copy but can't quite get it right. If people think that the Marketplace won't have useless apps your fooling yourself. Really. Mircosoft is spending millions to make "FUN" of the appstore. No thats funny. The Joke is on Microsoft. What they should do is make a product that is compatible with the appstore and pay to use it! Make the Xbox 360 compatible with the iPhone, an app perhaps. Control your Xbox 360 Marketplace on the iPhone.
    1. rwin84's Avatar
      rwin84 -
      funny but true...
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
      That's not the phone or hardware, that's the guy who's stupid enough to use shady ROM's. Obviously you're a typical mac user because you believe that the computer/phone needs to protect itself from the person between the chair and the keyboard. Open source lets you do whatever you want, even if that means bricking the phone because of your own dumb self, as your "friend" seems to have found out.
      I never said it was the hardware that had to do with the ROMS. it's part of the OS genius boy. And that's a good one i'm a typical mac user rigght..that's why i run 3 different OSs on my profile while you run just Windows. So i guess you're just a typical Windows fanboy. And yes it is my friend that's dumb enough to install that ROM. But how would you know what's good and what's not? Everyone has their preferences. I typically just don't like having to worry about crap that messes up the phones. Your opinion doesn't account for everyone else's so get your head out of your a s s.
    1. aekhamsouk's Avatar
      aekhamsouk -
      Quote Originally Posted by Messany View Post
      Despite a flurry of recent attacks - including those by Verizon - Apple is largely unaffected. Having posted record quarterly earnings this week and then thrilling Apple fans with a slate of new offerings, the folks at Apple are probably laughing right along with the rest of us at the not-so-gentle jabs that have come flying from all directions.
      how do you know they are unaffected? those attack ads happened in the very recent past. all those things you mentioned where going to happen regardless of the attack ads... don't you think you're jumping the gun a bit with that statement?
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by TooSlo View Post
      I think this is a downfall to most consumers though. They suffer from a "I need this right now and it has to work or someone besides me did something wrong!" type attitude.

      When I was working with modding my G1 on a regular basis, one of the key parts was making sure you had the correct radio version and a specific board (at first) before trying to load things like the Hero ROM. Quite a few people bricked their phones, and yes, I do feel for them. (Note: When I say brick, I don't mean it in the iphone users here sense that they have to reformat. I'm talking use the damn thing as a paperweight type brick)

      I personally enjoy making modifications to my phone, but I also tend to do a lot of reading beforehand, which is really what is needed when making modifications to the core of the OS. It seems people don't really understand this currently and get upset when they were the ones to make the mistake.

      /shrug

      I'm sure I'll hop ship to the next best thing when it comes around. Thankfully I don't even pay for my iphone anymore since it's now my "business line."
      Very good point! But paper weight brick? lol. I didn't even know that happened on those ROMS.
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      What's really disappointing to think about is when CS5 comes out with direct .app export. Do you realize what that means? That means that I could make an app. And that's a bit frightening.