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    [FACEPALM: The original story on thegrio.com appears to be based on outdated info from before the DMCA ruling. It then got picked up by WECT-TV, the Mac blogosphere, and - ouch - me. h/t @mrpauldurden via @MuscleNerd. Self-pwned, -PDA]

    Despite losing in court last year, Apple is still trying to crack down on jailbreakers and unlockers. This time, they're asking the US Copyright Office for help, using specious arguments about software piracy and copyright infringement. Though these arguments are not new, and had been rejected by federal regulators in last July's decision, it's clearly Apple's hope that if they complain loudly enough and frequently enough, eventually they'll either find a venue where they'll get a favorable ruling, or scare people away from making modifications to their own devices without Apple's sanction.

    The Librarian of Congress, who oversees the US Copyright Office, released new exemptions to the Digital Copyright Millennium Act last year which ruled that jailbreaking or unlocking an iPhone or any other device is not illegal. The ruling was clear and unambiguous, and even went so far as to state that there was "no basis for copyright law to assist Apple in protecting its restrictive business model." In a response almost childlike in its vindictiveness, Apple then released a statement vowing to void the warranty of jailbroken or unlocked devices, which is an action that is still permitted under the law, but seemingly aimed more at intimidating users than providing product support.

    Today - in an NBC news report that rather typically confuses jailbreaking, unlocking, and pirating - we're learning that Apple has directly approached the Copyright Office asking them to crack down on the practice of jailbreaking, saying in part that "current jailbreak technologies now in widespread use utilize unauthorized modifications to the copyrighted bootloader and operating system, resulting in the infringement of the copyrights in those programs." This gambit comes despite the fact that the Copyright Office explicitly stated in July that "while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions."

    Even if Apple fails once again to legally sanction users who want to modify the devices they have bought and paid for, the mere request itself may serve to dissuade developers for writing apps or tweaks for Cydia, fearing that they may be slapped with a copyright infringement lawsuit. It's difficult to see this as anything other than bullying behavior on Apple's part.

    Source: MacDailyNews
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Going After Jailbreakers Again started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 121 Comments
    1. vnmaddct's Avatar
      vnmaddct -
      No sony doesnt give a **** if u jailbreak ps3... They say, thankyou for buyimg our product do what u wish with it
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by Lokenall View Post

      I only called it pirated software, because it's a much nicer term than saying it is stealing a product..........
      JB is not stealing or Pirating thats the problem with posts like yours, it derserves to be "Lashed out at"
      I feel there are much more constructive ways to bring up an argument, than just lashing out at person posting on a message board. It would've been nice, instead of you typing a rambling about how wrong an opinion was, to actually construct a full fledge argument.
      Then why are you here?
      Full fledged how? I asked a straight question, what of Apple's is Pirated by Jailbreaking? Are you trying to say that the Independent App developers have hired Apple to sue for them? I do not think so. If an app like angry birds is pirated how does that directly harm Apple? it doesn't only indirectly from Apple not getting the profits from the fee with the purchased app. Thats my point, Apple sees cydia as stealing profits.
      However, I don't keep my hopes high on that one.
      Nice (guess I hit a nerve)
      Apple is just another company who has made consumers believe that their products are the best and what ever they say will go. I was only mentioning the 2 points as a reference to what will most likely be an argument for them.
      Apple is Apple and consumers have made them what they are, we keep buying their products and they may never change.
      Next time DRFM, calm down and never lash out at anyone like this. It's fine to have a difference of opinion, but try to do it in a more constructive manner.
      Why? Allow posters to make make opinions look like fact? Jailbreaking is not stealing or Pirating and that my friend are the facts
    1. starfuryt550's Avatar
      starfuryt550 -
      This would be like Ford stating that once you purchase a car they made, you aren't allowed to Change the floor mats to all season because that's not how it came and how they intended the product to be.

      Excuse me, but go F yourself. I paid for it. It's mine. I can do as I please.

      God damn, and you thought Microsoft was bad years ago with the whole anti-trust problems and trying to monopolize everything to just how they want and oust everyone else out.
    1. littlelisa63's Avatar
      littlelisa63 -
      Well i think its up to the actual individual,if they want to jailbreak thier iphone then they should.
      If somebody wants to hack something,apple aint gonna stop them,where there's a will there's a way.
      My iphone may be made by apple...but once its left the manufactuer it's LISA'S iphone.
      And i am 100% for jailbreaking,its the best thing i ever did to my phone.
    1. starfuryt550's Avatar
      starfuryt550 -
      Couldn't agree more.
    1. iggybibi's Avatar
      iggybibi -
      why is apple such a ***** while microsoft is embracing homebrew in wp7
    1. bmxtreme's Avatar
      bmxtreme -
      That's like Microsoft going after everyone who sets their default browser to Firefox instead of using IE. Apple just a bunch of numb nuts trying so hard to be the "Evil Empire" just >>20yrs too late
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      My point is also

      Don't apologize for Apple

      They are what they do, Actions speak louder than words.

      I think if we are loud enough Apple may hear us and change.

      But the courts may end up being the Parent to Apple and correct the behavior.

      Apple is like a spoiled child at times, they want want but have trouble in the giving dept. They gave us the Iphone and IOS now they don't want us to enjoy it.
      Its not for us to enjoy but for them to make money.
    1. The Amazing Atheist's Avatar
      The Amazing Atheist -
      Quote Originally Posted by babyblue_pimp View Post
      Is apples eyes jailbreaking = app piracy. 90% of the people I know with jailbroken devices, is just to steal apps.
      While I don't agree, it's these people that are hurting us in the long run.
      Not exactly. I jb my iDevices just for the awesome look
    1. PorthosPirate's Avatar
      PorthosPirate -
      Quote Originally Posted by J_Marley View Post
      Okay, I can understand Apple telling it's consumers that if you modify your device that it will void your warranty. I mean I wouldn't make a modification to a car engine and expect the manufacturer to fix it if somthing goes wrong. I made the changes and as a result it isn't working properly, or even if it was directly related to the problem, there is no way for them to be held liable for trying to fix it and messing up what I tried to modify.
      Actually your analogy is completely wrong. What Apple is trying to do is closer to the analogy that since you used non-factor car seat covers and floor mats, then your warranty is void. By jailbreaking you are NOT modifying the hardware in any lasting way, shape, or form. All you are doing is modifying the software. You can always restore it to a factory state and if that fixes your errors, then don't jailbreak.

      "Bricking" an iPhone is a result of Apple putting software locks in place that try to prevent jailbreaking. If Apple didn't try to prevent it, then you would always be able to install the factory level software to fix ANY software issue.

      Apple wants to "License" their iPhones, not sell them. But they don't. They sell them. I own it. What they are doing would be akin to saying that I couldn't install on my Mac whatever I wanted. Or put whatever food I want in my refrigerator. Or buy whatever kind of gas I want for my car. They want control, and we live a free society. Maybe they'll have better luck in China.
    1. maaaslo's Avatar
      maaaslo -
      i would like to point on one fact. and that is: almost 1BILLION of apps downloaded from app store...
      that says it all... even if i JB the phone, i still BUY and PAY for the bloody official apps...
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Musclenerd said himself in a tweet that this article is bs and the quote was from almost a year ago
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by whereswaldo View Post
      Musclenerd said himself in a tweet that this article is bs and the quote was from almost a year ago
      So wait this was not recent like 2011 news but 2010 or even 2009? OMG what a waste of time on this!!!
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      "We're losing the fight against Android, captain! Android allows people to customize and use unsigned applications on their devices! They can even root to get administrator access! How should we respond!?"

      "Let's start suing jailbreakers!"

      "Uh... What?"

      "Japan 4!"
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      WTF? Stupid outdated source. At least Paul acknowledges his mistake.
    1. obtrunco's Avatar
      obtrunco -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      My point is also

      Don't apologize for Apple

      They are what they do, Actions speak louder than words.

      I think if we are loud enough Apple may hear us and change.

      But the courts may end up being the Parent to Apple and correct the behavior.

      Apple is like a spoiled child at times, they want want but have trouble in the giving dept. They gave us the Iphone and IOS now they don't want us to enjoy it.
      Its not for us to enjoy but for them to make money.
      Sounds exactly like AT&T.
    1. obtrunco's Avatar
      obtrunco -
      Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
      Actually your analogy is completely wrong. What Apple is trying to do is closer to the analogy that since you used non-factor car seat covers and floor mats, then your warranty is void. By jailbreaking you are NOT modifying the hardware in any lasting way, shape, or form. All you are doing is modifying the software. You can always restore it to a factory state and if that fixes your errors, then don't jailbreak.

      "Bricking" an iPhone is a result of Apple putting software locks in place that try to prevent jailbreaking. If Apple didn't try to prevent it, then you would always be able to install the factory level software to fix ANY software issue.

      Apple wants to "License" their iPhones, not sell them. But they don't. They sell them. I own it. What they are doing would be akin to saying that I couldn't install on my Mac whatever I wanted. Or put whatever food I want in my refrigerator. Or buy whatever kind of gas I want for my car. They want control, and we live a free society. Maybe they'll have better luck in China.
      I agree!
    1. DRFP's Avatar
      DRFP -
      Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
      ......... By jailbreaking you are NOT modifying the hardware in any lasting way, shape, or form. All you are doing is modifying the software. You can always restore it to a factory state and if that fixes your errors, then don't jailbreak.

      "Bricking" an iPhone is a result of Apple putting software locks in place that try to prevent jailbreaking. If Apple didn't try to prevent it, then you would always be able to install the factory level software to fix ANY software issue.

      Apple wants to "License" their iPhones, not sell them. But they don't. They sell them. I own it. What they are doing would be akin to saying that I couldn't install on my Mac whatever I wanted. Or put whatever food I want in my refrigerator. Or buy whatever kind of gas I want for my car. They want control, and we live a free society.
      I agree with most of what you say,

      There are clearly two camps on MMI

      Those who Jailbreak, understand its perfectly legal and has nothing to do with Piracy. Who thinks Apple needs to put effort and focus on the product and support the product properly leaving JB alone.

      Those who think JB is pirating and anything Apple says or does is A-OK with them, even if it means they must spend more and more of their money to support Apple's whim.


      Apple= Control I agree
    1. [)roi(]'s Avatar
      [)roi(] -
      Quote Originally Posted by Th3_Amazing_Ath3ist View Post
      Not exactly. I jb my iDevices just for the awesome look
      Agreed the only reason I JB is for interface enhancements like sbsettings, ... (can't imagine using the iphone without these enhancements) Now if only Apple allowed these types of enhancements officially through the app store then I would no longer require a JB. Until then I'm relegated to waiting on 4.1 for a new untethered JB.
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      It's more or less an issue of them not being able to differentiate between a pirating jailbreaker and a customizing jailbreaker.

      To implement that kind of security system would cost millions for Apple and lots of money for us by paying for that investment.

      So rather than hunting down those users alone, they are trying to burn the whole forest down.
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