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    [FACEPALM: The original story on thegrio.com appears to be based on outdated info from before the DMCA ruling. It then got picked up by WECT-TV, the Mac blogosphere, and - ouch - me. h/t @mrpauldurden via @MuscleNerd. Self-pwned, -PDA]

    Despite losing in court last year, Apple is still trying to crack down on jailbreakers and unlockers. This time, they're asking the US Copyright Office for help, using specious arguments about software piracy and copyright infringement. Though these arguments are not new, and had been rejected by federal regulators in last July's decision, it's clearly Apple's hope that if they complain loudly enough and frequently enough, eventually they'll either find a venue where they'll get a favorable ruling, or scare people away from making modifications to their own devices without Apple's sanction.

    The Librarian of Congress, who oversees the US Copyright Office, released new exemptions to the Digital Copyright Millennium Act last year which ruled that jailbreaking or unlocking an iPhone or any other device is not illegal. The ruling was clear and unambiguous, and even went so far as to state that there was "no basis for copyright law to assist Apple in protecting its restrictive business model." In a response almost childlike in its vindictiveness, Apple then released a statement vowing to void the warranty of jailbroken or unlocked devices, which is an action that is still permitted under the law, but seemingly aimed more at intimidating users than providing product support.

    Today - in an NBC news report that rather typically confuses jailbreaking, unlocking, and pirating - we're learning that Apple has directly approached the Copyright Office asking them to crack down on the practice of jailbreaking, saying in part that "current jailbreak technologies now in widespread use utilize unauthorized modifications to the copyrighted bootloader and operating system, resulting in the infringement of the copyrights in those programs." This gambit comes despite the fact that the Copyright Office explicitly stated in July that "while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions."

    Even if Apple fails once again to legally sanction users who want to modify the devices they have bought and paid for, the mere request itself may serve to dissuade developers for writing apps or tweaks for Cydia, fearing that they may be slapped with a copyright infringement lawsuit. It's difficult to see this as anything other than bullying behavior on Apple's part.

    Source: MacDailyNews
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Going After Jailbreakers Again started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 104 Comments
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Musclenerd said himself in a tweet that this article is bs and the quote was from almost a year ago
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      "We're losing the fight against Android, captain! Android allows people to customize and use unsigned applications on their devices! They can even root to get administrator access! How should we respond!?"

      "Let's start suing jailbreakers!"

      "Uh... What?"

      "Japan 4!"
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      WTF? Stupid outdated source. At least Paul acknowledges his mistake.
    1. obtrunco's Avatar
      obtrunco -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRFP View Post
      My point is also

      Don't apologize for Apple

      They are what they do, Actions speak louder than words.

      I think if we are loud enough Apple may hear us and change.

      But the courts may end up being the Parent to Apple and correct the behavior.

      Apple is like a spoiled child at times, they want want but have trouble in the giving dept. They gave us the Iphone and IOS now they don't want us to enjoy it.
      Its not for us to enjoy but for them to make money.
      Sounds exactly like AT&T.
    1. obtrunco's Avatar
      obtrunco -
      Quote Originally Posted by PorthosPirate View Post
      Actually your analogy is completely wrong. What Apple is trying to do is closer to the analogy that since you used non-factor car seat covers and floor mats, then your warranty is void. By jailbreaking you are NOT modifying the hardware in any lasting way, shape, or form. All you are doing is modifying the software. You can always restore it to a factory state and if that fixes your errors, then don't jailbreak.

      "Bricking" an iPhone is a result of Apple putting software locks in place that try to prevent jailbreaking. If Apple didn't try to prevent it, then you would always be able to install the factory level software to fix ANY software issue.

      Apple wants to "License" their iPhones, not sell them. But they don't. They sell them. I own it. What they are doing would be akin to saying that I couldn't install on my Mac whatever I wanted. Or put whatever food I want in my refrigerator. Or buy whatever kind of gas I want for my car. They want control, and we live a free society. Maybe they'll have better luck in China.
      I agree!
    1. [)roi(]'s Avatar
      [)roi(] -
      Quote Originally Posted by Th3_Amazing_Ath3ist View Post
      Not exactly. I jb my iDevices just for the awesome look
      Agreed the only reason I JB is for interface enhancements like sbsettings, ... (can't imagine using the iphone without these enhancements) Now if only Apple allowed these types of enhancements officially through the app store then I would no longer require a JB. Until then I'm relegated to waiting on 4.1 for a new untethered JB.
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      It's more or less an issue of them not being able to differentiate between a pirating jailbreaker and a customizing jailbreaker.

      To implement that kind of security system would cost millions for Apple and lots of money for us by paying for that investment.

      So rather than hunting down those users alone, they are trying to burn the whole forest down.
    1. cncrim's Avatar
      cncrim -
      I don't know what Apple complain about, because Jailbreak apple sell more device.

      I know my friend and I will buy Android once the jailbreak is stop. Google will befinit this....
    1. obtrunco's Avatar
      obtrunco -
      Quote Originally Posted by [)roi(] View Post
      Agreed the only reason I JB is for interface enhancements like sbsettings, ... (can't imagine using the iphone without these enhancements) Now if only Apple allowed these types of enhancements officially through the app store then I would no longer require a JB. Until then I'm relegated to waiting on 4.1 for a new untethered JB.
      I do it only if it comes with an unlock. Which is unfair that AT&T will never factory unlock it. This is another can of worms that needs to be addressed with more vigor. You can use the car analogy here too. Can't drive your car in another country with the local license plate but instead you must keep your U.S. tag and just be a tourist. Basically, taking your locked iPhone to another country and being unable to use the SIM card from the local carrier is like forever being a tourist, thus you have to overpay for international use. If someone has a better analogy please help but you know what I mean.
    1. LGgeek's Avatar
      LGgeek -
      my jailbroken phone belongs to me and if apple manages to stop jailbreaking (not likely) then it will be the last iPhone I buy (I really don't have to get a new phone all the time).

      Perhaps we should all start petitioning the government to scrutinize apples use of "phone home code". I know apple is sensitive about this as I had a post pulled from their support group discussions and was emailed a "slap my hand" warning.
    1. Mrteacup's Avatar
      Mrteacup -
      Everyone saying If they can't jailbreak they won't buy a new iPhone is crap! Eventually apple is going to add amazing features. what are you going to do? stick on an old phone or get a new phone which will be either be an unjailbroken iPhone newest version or an also unjailbreakable phone on a different system! It's simple apple obviously has a grip on you if you buy an iPhone and keep it. jailbreakable or not your still going to buy an iPhone because the features you seek will be found and created in a more fast native way. Apple knows this otherwise WHY EVEN UPDATE IF YOU ONLY WANT JAILBREAK?? If all you cared about was being jailbroke then don't update stick to this iPhone and don't update because if you can't jailbreak you don't want the iPhone if you don't want an iPhone why are you waiting for the next way to jailbreak new software!
    1. GellBrake'rrrr's Avatar
      GellBrake'rrrr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mrteacup View Post
      Everyone saying If they can't jailbreak they won't buy a new iPhone is crap! Eventually apple is going to add amazing features. what are you going to do? stick on an old phone or get a new phone which will be either be an unjailbroken iPhone newest version or an also unjailbreakable phone on a different system! It's simple apple obviously has a grip on you if you buy an iPhone and keep it. jailbreakable or not your still going to buy an iPhone because the features you seek will be found and created in a more fast native way. Apple knows this otherwise WHY EVEN UPDATE IF YOU ONLY WANT JAILBREAK?? If all you cared about was being jailbroke then don't update stick to this iPhone and don't update because if you can't jailbreak you don't want the iPhone if you don't want an iPhone why are you waiting for the next way to jailbreak new software!

      Am I the only one who didnt understand what point you are trying to get across?? I am completely lost as to what that run-on sentence was all about.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Greedy funkers.
    1. jasvncnt10's Avatar
      jasvncnt10 -
      If Apple somehow won this whole game... I probably wouldn't buy the next iphone. Id use the one i have now until it craps out or i get bored. I JB because I can. And it gives me so many other options over a stock phone. I know its not the same thing but, Its like my computer. When i take it home for the first time and set it up, I don't keep it "factory" like it comes. Ya set your own wallpaper, install your tweaks...blah blah blah...make it yours. So i do the same with my phone. And the JB gives me that. As much as i hate Apple, they do make a great product. But its not the only one out there. I have had an Android. Didn't care so much for the actual phone but loved Android. Once they make hardware i like, ill go back. For me its not so much about the possibility of not being able to JB in the future. Its about Apple and how they have this hold over the user and the phone. Total control. I'm tired now.
    1. jasvncnt10's Avatar
      jasvncnt10 -
      Same here. Thanks I didn't think anyone would agree with me. Figured I'd get bashed
    1. Mikey724's Avatar
      Mikey724 -
      Apple have no chance..I hope they get there *** kicked bigtime again.
    1. ShaverZBT's Avatar
      ShaverZBT -
      Apple really needs to chill on this issue. It's like they are trying to preserve the cult from outside influences. This is not Waco, it's technology.
    1. skj8100's Avatar
      skj8100 -
      Quote Originally Posted by smooth22 View Post
      It would be great if the Dev Team came out with there own device and we wouldn't have to sit here and hear about apple crying over jailbreaking but they would be crying if the Dev team came out with a device because apple would be out of business when it comes down to the iphone..
      Something tells me they don't have the 10's of millions (at minimum) to go on a venture like that....

      Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Xanax View Post
      Actually for most iPhone owners. The phone isn't ENTIRELY yours. Remember that you're getting a subsidized phone in exchange for a contract. So I think Apple can kind of say "Ok we gave these people the phone for much cheaper than retail but we expect them to respect that and listen to our wish"
      Buy what you are forgetting is the subsidized pricing is provided to you by AT&T- or whoever your service provider is.... So apple could use that point all they want- it's moot.
    1. sephiroth726's Avatar
      sephiroth726 -
      this is stupid... they'll lose so much business if they stop it... the only real option is to embrace it, it's our crap and we want to make it better... personally I don't support piracy and we all know that piracy is not what jailbreaking is about...
    1. skj8100's Avatar
      skj8100 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ReggieSmith View Post
      I don't really care one way or the other cause I can live with the iPhone as is, without a jailbreak.

      I suspect that many folks would see things differently if a product they creates and depended upon for their income was the target. Everything in the world isn't meant to be free.

      It is what it is.
      I know this is comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges but just because a dictator is a good guy doesn't make democracy wrong or dictatorship right....