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    Lets face it. Apple does not allow many very cool apps for sale in the App Store because of their very tight (and in many cases unreasonable) restrictions. The developers of these apps (PDANet, MySMS and iBlacklist to name a few of the many) still want to earn a little revenue for their hard work and until now have been forced to come up with their own sales solutions on Cydia/Installer.

    Tonight the game will start changing as Jay Freeman (Saurik) releases the Cydia Store. Just moments ago Freeman announced on Twitter that "Tonight (late) a new Cydia will come out with one package 'for sale' (more over the next week): more details will be in Cydia." Developers of popular paid Jailbreak programs will be able to sell their applications straight from the overwhelmingly popular Cydia without having to worry about the hassles of independently creating sales solutions.

    Whats more is the Cydia Store will have many features to rival the App Store. According to Freeman in addition to application sales "There will also be a method of voting via the classic stars, but are linked by a review, which must first write a comment / review, and then you can vote. This feedback system will require a login which should be based on Google or Facebook."

    Freeman isn't the only one with a third party store to compete with Apple's App Store. RockYourPhone.com is another independent application store that is currently in development. The Wall Street Journal also mentions a third store thats name has yet to be revealed. While it is clear that there is a market for applications outside of the App Store it is not clear whether or not Apple will allow third party App Stores to compete without legal intervention. Freeman says he has lined up a lawyer in case Apple takes legal action. "The overworking goal is to provide choice," he says. "It's understandable that [Apple] wants to control things, but it has been very limiting for developers and users."

    [via Saruik on Twitter and wsj image via iptf]
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Store Going Live Tonight started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 138 Comments
    1. Tokyo's Avatar
      Tokyo -
      Well that sucks......
    1. wePhone's Avatar
      wePhone -
      You guys are idiots, honestly. If you really do think that EVERY app in Cydia will cost money then you have better go elsewhere. It is the same measure of difficulty for a dev to put a DOnate button in their app and to have one before you buy it.

      Also, to all those saying "I'm not buyin ****". You guys are cheap *** whiners. You can buy an APPLE product, let alone, an iPhone or iPod Touch and have the audacity to say you're not going to buy a 10 or 5 dollar app? You don't deserve the right to speak here at all.
    1. Tokyo's Avatar
      Tokyo -
      Ah hell who cares, there's gonna be a cracked version sooner or later anyway.
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      You guys in your cracks and such... what the heck! Get a job... or if you can't buy some apps get rid of your iphone.....

      And also this all looks like it could get pretty dirty..... I do not think Apple is going to like this one bit! Maybe this will get Apple going in the right directions...
    1. tw1zt3d's Avatar
      tw1zt3d -
      the freebie people are missing the point...they're the ones that actually ruin jailbreaking for the rest of us...

      it kinda runs along the lines of marilyn manson saying "people who abuse drugs make a bad name for those of us who use drugs"

      nowhere does it state the everything is going to cost. if i'm reading this correctly, this is a streamlining process to make it easier for the devs who already were going to charge you for their app to charge you. for instance, one of the apps listed in the main post was iblacklist. now, instead of d/l'ing it, setting it up, getting the code, then going to the devs site, paying them, waiting for an email to get their end of the code, going back and inputting the code and unlocking full features, i can now select iblacklist, have it paid for and all features working by time its d/l'ed.... it costs money, so you people weren't going to get it anyway, so it shouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

      like i said in my other post. the majority of us, jailbroke the phone so we had our own little say in how the phone operated, not because "ooo, look what i can get for free". that mentality is actually what hurts this process.. there can be 100 of us who say right on, this can only put jailbreaking into a brighter light. but then corporations and devs, zero in on the 10% who whine about not getting free stuff, (and how they only jailbroke the phone to get said free stuff), and they add that to their arsenal of "see, this is why we don't support jailbreaking".
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      Thank You Jay Freeman, I cant wait for the store to open, wonders if there will be a separate icon for the cydia store, and yes whiners shut up omg even I am not as selfish to want every app for free, I understand how much work and sacrifice to take to make these apps and I am willing to pay money just like I would for an app from Apple. So bring on the Cydia Store I for one cant wait to see what it will have to offer,definitely cant wait to see what the first App will be.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      The fundamental reason why I will not be buying Cydia apps is the fact that they are technically a gray area (for now). Once we see some legislation ok jailbreaking and such I will reconsider, but for now I am not paying for something that could very well be deemed illegal.
    1. ca3's Avatar
      ca3 -
      maybe some turn by turn will decide to toss it up
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by thetoothfairy View Post
      You guys in your cracks and such... what the heck! Get a job... or if you can't buy some apps get rid of your iphone.....

      And also this all looks like it could get pretty dirty..... I do not think Apple is going to like this one bit! Maybe this will get Apple going in the right directions...
      A large number of people just don't want to pay for software, period. It's not that they can't, it's that they won't. This doesn't make it right, I am just saying. Most of the software I paid for I didn't feel like I got my money's worth. That being said, going to the movies usually doesn't leave me with a feeling like I just got 10 bucks worth of entertainment over the last 2 or so hours... The people that will crack Cydia stuff have already been cracking appstore apps for a while... nothing has changed, why are we wasting our breaths?
    1. AutumnBoard's Avatar
      AutumnBoard -
      This looks pretty cool. I look forward to it. To all of you who are too cheap to spend a few bucks on a cydia store app, stop whining. You don't have to buy anything. You bought an iPhone. You (probably) pay a good amount of cash every month for the cell phone service on your iphone. So why can't you pay a few bucks for an app? But if you're really too stubborn and frugal to buy an app for a couple dollars, just don't buy it. And seriously, don't crack it.
      Thanks Saurik!
    1. xxhorseriderxxx's Avatar
      xxhorseriderxxx -
      I'm just not gonna upgrade, simple as that, lol
    1. one1's Avatar
      one1 -
      There is a flaw in the basic principle of Cydia selling paid apps and that is that the reason behind all the commotion to jailbreak and add apps was "I'm not paying apple a dang dime when I can jailbreak and get apps for free from people developing apps for jailbreak". That is, every argument I have ever heard for jailbreaking was not having to pay for apple apps when free apps were there to be had jailbreaking.

      The jailbreak community has developed over the last year to have several paid jailbreak apps now that you have to get through Cydia, and pay for independently directly to the vendor. Usually by a link that takes you directly to the site, it's a one click maneuver. Not too much different from clicking and buying it in Cydia as far as I can tell as of yet. We'll have to see over the next week as the store goes online and builds up to speed. So if it is one click from the app to buy the code from the vendor, how is one click from Cydia to buy it going to be any different? Well Obviously this is not being done without compensation to both the Cydia store, and the vendor alike. By purchasing the apps from Cydia you are undoubtedly producing revenue for Cydia. I suspect with Cydia's popularity it is much needed revenue so the store should provide support along with the AdMob ads that are in some of Saurik's apps.

      So, what is the benefit of the store? It may be easier to purchase from Cydia, that is yet to be seen as the store is not open to test it. The real reason is that a percentage would be shared with Cydia (profit) and these sales from the Cydia store will generate revenue to continue to support Cydia. Does that make it less "Free" for everyone? Well, yes what we have here is the start of a second Apple store in a sense. Minus the restrictions of course. Jailbreak devs will see the chance to get paid just like Apple store devs. Things that were free might end up costing you a buck or two if the dev decides to sell it now that the jailbreak devs have an outlet to do so.

      Basically this will mimic the early beginnings of the Apple store. People who can make a buck will try to do so. Unless Cydia is regulated in some way it will overflow with a bunch of junk. If it IS regulated and Jay decides the fate of who gets in and who doesn't then I can see litigation, arguments, wars and growing pains.

      Whatever happens from here, Jailbreak as you know it is dead. It's the new age of application sales and now that devs have a place to do it without apple, whatever happens, happens.

      Hold on, it's gonna be fun, exciting,........ and bumpy.
    1. boricua4life564's Avatar
      boricua4life564 -
      wow this is B.S if cydia makes it like that then cydia would b worst than installer and i would rader use installer. i jailbroke my iphone to get FREE stuff/apps not 2 pay 4 them if so then i can just go 2 app store which looks nicer n runs smoother..if u think about it cydia is #1 becuase it give use many FREE apps easily
    1. brianmarocco's Avatar
      brianmarocco -
      Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
      There is a flaw in the basic principle of Cydia selling paid apps and that is that the reason behind all the commotion to jailbreak and add apps was "I'm not paying apple a dang dime when I can jailbreak and get apps for free from people developing apps for jailbreak". That is, every argument I have ever heard for jailbreaking was not having to pay for apple apps when free apps were there to be had jailbreaking.

      The jailbreak community has developed over the last year to have several paid jailbreak apps now that you have to get through Cydia, and pay for independently directly to the vendor. Usually by a link that takes you directly to the site, it's a one click maneuver. Not too much different from clicking and buying it in Cydia as far as I can tell as of yet. We'll have to see over the next week as the store goes online and builds up to speed. So if it is one click from the app to buy the code from the vendor, how is one click from Cydia to buy it going to be any different? Well Obviously this is not being done without compensation to both the Cydia store, and the vendor alike. By purchasing the apps from Cydia you are undoubtedly producing revenue for Cydia. I suspect with Cydia's popularity it is much needed revenue so the store should provide support along with the AdMob ads that are in some of Saurik's apps.

      So, what is the benefit of the store? It may be easier to purchase from Cydia, that is yet to be seen as the store is not open to test it. The real reason is that a percentage would be shared with Cydia (profit) and these sales from the Cydia store will generate revenue to continue to support Cydia. Does that make it less "Free" for everyone? Well, yes what we have here is the start of a second Apple store in a sense. Minus the restrictions of course. Jailbreak devs will see the chance to get paid just like Apple store devs. Things that were free might end up costing you a buck or two if the dev decides to sell it now that the jailbreak devs have an outlet to do so.

      Basically this will mimic the early beginnings of the Apple store. People who can make a buck will try to do so. Unless Cydia is regulated in some way it will overflow with a bunch of junk. If it IS regulated and Jay decides the fate of who gets in and who doesn't then I can see litigation, arguments, wars and growing pains.

      Whatever happens from here, Jailbreak as you know it is dead. It's the new age of application sales and now that devs have a place to do it without apple, whatever happens, happens.

      Hold on, it's gonna be fun, exciting,........ and bumpy.
      Well said, except I jailbreak and have bought both official apps and JB apps...My problem with paying Apple a dime is that many of the apps are like a pizza without the cheese...ie the tons of so called navigation crap they sell. I donate to many of the developers so if something great comes along then I have no problem paying. The evolution of JB is taking a natural "organized" path that it should at this point. The original idea of JB died the minute the app store opened but the reason why we do has not changed one bit in my opinion. I agree let the bumpy road begin, at least with xGPS we can see where it should end
    1. miedwards72's Avatar
      miedwards72 -
      Those guys work there asses off. Why not get paid for it!
    1. royalnewjersey's Avatar
      royalnewjersey -
      This is really great news for developers and jailbreakers alike. But honestly I'm not too excited that many jailbroken apps will be capitalized upon just like Apple's App store. We're going to have to start paying for things that we've gotten free this entire time. Even developers can sympathize with that.

      But fair is fair, and I do think that developers deserve credit ($) for their amazing creations.

      On the other hand, maybe it will open doors for developers who are on the fence about making an app, especially those who cannot get into Apple's App store. (read: Turn by Turn, Backgrounding, Video Chat, Tethering, etc...)
    1. adamnur's Avatar
      adamnur -
      Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
      There is a flaw in the basic principle of Cydia selling paid apps and that is that the reason behind all the commotion to jailbreak and add apps was "I'm not paying apple a dang dime when I can jailbreak and get apps for free from people developing apps for jailbreak". That is, every argument I have ever heard for jailbreaking was not having to pay for apple apps when free apps were there to be had jailbreaking.

      The jailbreak community has developed over the last year to have several paid jailbreak apps now that you have to get through Cydia, and pay for independently directly to the vendor. Usually by a link that takes you directly to the site, it's a one click maneuver. Not too much different from clicking and buying it in Cydia as far as I can tell as of yet. We'll have to see over the next week as the store goes online and builds up to speed. So if it is one click from the app to buy the code from the vendor, how is one click from Cydia to buy it going to be any different? Well Obviously this is not being done without compensation to both the Cydia store, and the vendor alike. By purchasing the apps from Cydia you are undoubtedly producing revenue for Cydia. I suspect with Cydia's popularity it is much needed revenue so the store should provide support along with the AdMob ads that are in some of Saurik's apps.

      So, what is the benefit of the store? It may be easier to purchase from Cydia, that is yet to be seen as the store is not open to test it. The real reason is that a percentage would be shared with Cydia (profit) and these sales from the Cydia store will generate revenue to continue to support Cydia. Does that make it less "Free" for everyone? Well, yes what we have here is the start of a second Apple store in a sense. Minus the restrictions of course. Jailbreak devs will see the chance to get paid just like Apple store devs. Things that were free might end up costing you a buck or two if the dev decides to sell it now that the jailbreak devs have an outlet to do so.

      Basically this will mimic the early beginnings of the Apple store. People who can make a buck will try to do so. Unless Cydia is regulated in some way it will overflow with a bunch of junk. If it IS regulated and Jay decides the fate of who gets in and who doesn't then I can see litigation, arguments, wars and growing pains.

      Whatever happens from here, Jailbreak as you know it is dead. It's the new age of application sales and now that devs have a place to do it without apple, whatever happens, happens.

      Hold on, it's gonna be fun, exciting,........ and bumpy.
      This entire statement is spot-on. I personally see the bolded poriton as the biggest issue here.
    1. shabzco's Avatar
      shabzco -
      so what next?
      instead of cracked app store apps there will be cracked cydia apps? lol
    1. misskitten's Avatar
      misskitten -
      so we will have to pay for some themes, lockscreens, stuff like that?
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      Very simply put.

      1) It, as it has been and always should be, the developers choice for you to pay for their app or not.

      If someone, such as myself, wants to spend hours writing tones, drawing winterboard icons, and developing apps, and freely give them out to the world, then that is my choice. If I want to charge for it, that is my choice, and if I choose to ask for donations, that again is my choice.

      I quote now, Linus Torvalds (that's the fellow who created Linux BTW).

      Regarding if he ever regretted not getting paid for Linux:

      "Well, If I hadn't created it, I still wouldn't have gotten anything, so it really doesn't matter".

      Cydia is fringe. It's cool, it's fun, and it's NOT NOT NOT AN APPSTORE ALTERNATIVE. That is about as retarded as saying Pot is an Alternative to Cigarettes.

      Cydia offers an entirely different dish of choices, but only for the "l33t" iphone users, and I of course use that term loosely. It is a fundamental flaw in the open source community, and the homebrew clubs, to get stars in their eyes thinking that they are going to make a million dollars.

      Granted and without fail, xGPS is AMAZING. I myself am blown away that it is a free application, however, the developers could have chosen to sell it like intelliscreen chose to sell their app. But, they chose not too. They chose not to make it ad support, and they chose to make it a great, functional working program, and they chose to make it freely available to the world.

      Now, it is simply unfair to people who don't pay for apps (and I am not talking about cracking) are cheap. Let's all remember one simple thing. It's a damn phone. Not a PSP, not an Xbox, it is a cellular phone that can do alot of very cool things.

      I for one can think of many things that I would rather spend 1, 5, 10, or even 20 dollars on as opposed to an application that I MIGHT use every so often when I am going to the bathroom, or waiting in the car for my wife to get off of work.

      Have I paid for an app? Yes...

      One...

      It was something that I had been looking for, for a while, and when it came up I thought it in my best interest to pay for it.

      Now...

      Will I ever pay for a Cydia App? No

      Why?

      Until they can offer the same type of service and backup, and interface of iTunes, and the Appstore, then no I wont, and even then no I wont. Up until now, Cydia has been a pretty cool place to get alot of cool things.

      Backgrounder, Winterboard, Status Notifier.

      I got these things because as with most modding that I have gotten into, these things were developed by like minded people who like me saw the need for something and filled that need. And I am willing to bet that most of these dev's were some bored tinkerers who said "hey this is cool, look what I can do". Perhaps it was done out a class project. Or maybe just because they could.

      As I have always said about modding, "I was given freely, and I will give freely". It is the nature of the community that I have gotten used to for the past however many years I have been modding.

      I assure you, I am not cheap by any stretch.

      Have I ever donated? No. Does that make me cheap? Not at all. As my father taught me when I was a child growing up at the airport listening to him mentor all of the young and new pilots, the price of education and knowledge and things can be as simple as dinner, a case of beer, or a game of pool.

      If the idea is to make cydia a gnu version of the appstore, as there is a gnu/linux version of everything else mainstream, then fine and good and cool.

      However if the idea is to make Cydia a money maker, then by all means, I wish Saurik all the luck in the world as well as the developers who chose to post their products. But remember, generally speaking only 25% of users have a jailbroken phone. And out of that 25% how many people actually did it themselves vs. having a friend do it for them?

      That makes a huge difference.

      What happens when iPhone 3 comes out and you can't jailbreak it as easily? What happens when all the apps that I purchase from cydia are not compatible with the new firmware as that happens from time to time?

      With Appstore, I get certain guarantees: It will work. I don't have to rely on uncertanties. I don't have to rely on "maybe being jailbroken". Or "maybe Jailbreaking wont be legal anymore".

      What happens next month when I've spent x dollars on apps that I can only get by jailbreaking, and a new update comes out that undoes my jailbroke phone? Now I have to choose between losing money on my apps and improving my actual phone?

      (of course I'm not a big jump on the update bandwagon person, but many people are)

      The point is, is that Jailbreaking is cool and fun. I admire all of the work that goes into making this place what it is, as well as the work and talent of the developers.

      It's a hobby of mine to tweak.

      Hopefully, the majority of dev's will keep bringing us great tweaks for the great price of free, and do it because they can contribute something cool to the world.

      Personally though, I can see this doing more harm then good. There are already "unauthorized" apps that you can pay for.