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    Lets face it. Apple does not allow many very cool apps for sale in the App Store because of their very tight (and in many cases unreasonable) restrictions. The developers of these apps (PDANet, MySMS and iBlacklist to name a few of the many) still want to earn a little revenue for their hard work and until now have been forced to come up with their own sales solutions on Cydia/Installer.

    Tonight the game will start changing as Jay Freeman (Saurik) releases the Cydia Store. Just moments ago Freeman announced on Twitter that "Tonight (late) a new Cydia will come out with one package 'for sale' (more over the next week): more details will be in Cydia." Developers of popular paid Jailbreak programs will be able to sell their applications straight from the overwhelmingly popular Cydia without having to worry about the hassles of independently creating sales solutions.

    Whats more is the Cydia Store will have many features to rival the App Store. According to Freeman in addition to application sales "There will also be a method of voting via the classic stars, but are linked by a review, which must first write a comment / review, and then you can vote. This feedback system will require a login which should be based on Google or Facebook."

    Freeman isn't the only one with a third party store to compete with Apple's App Store. RockYourPhone.com is another independent application store that is currently in development. The Wall Street Journal also mentions a third store thats name has yet to be revealed. While it is clear that there is a market for applications outside of the App Store it is not clear whether or not Apple will allow third party App Stores to compete without legal intervention. Freeman says he has lined up a lawyer in case Apple takes legal action. "The overworking goal is to provide choice," he says. "It's understandable that [Apple] wants to control things, but it has been very limiting for developers and users."

    [via Saruik on Twitter and wsj image via iptf]
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Store Going Live Tonight started by Cody Overcash View original post
    Comments 138 Comments
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      *sigh*

      You know, the biggest problem with this whole DRM thing concerning music, is that it has been so perverted from it's original intention.

      Back when groups like BMI, ASCAP, and SESCAP were created, their intentions were to protect the composers of music from their creations being stolen...

      Stolen not in "Downloading", Stolen not in "Nicking a Record from the store", but Stolen as PLAGERISM.

      What was happening is that composers were writing music, and then other composers (we'll call them cover bands for lack of any better term) were taking the compositions, playing them in bars and clubs and marketing them as their own. This in turn hurt the original composer because their music was being stolen, literally, poorly played, and their reputations were getting tarnished because when people found out who's music it really was, they weren't hearing it as it was supposed to and figured that the composer wasn't all that great to begin with and in turn chose not to hire them.

      Sadly, the law was twisted and perverted and accepted to the nonsense that it is today. Clearchannel controls the radio, the RIAA controls Clearchannel, The Record companies control the RIAA (mostly). All music has to be "licensed" so that the RIAA can, in the guise of "protecting" the artist, can continue to be the multimillion dollar non profit organization that it is.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by skj8100 View Post
      No offense personally, but the self-righteousness is amazing. i GUARANTEE if we peek at your(and everybody else's) ipod there are songs there that you did not pay for- that's the same thing as installing a cracked app. on top of that you call people POS's because they install cracked apps? im not condoning or judging either way. so EVERYONE its okay to be opinionated and share that opinion but lets quit with the self-righteous act.
      I have paid for ever single song, software, and application found on my iphone and computer. Feel free to keep generalizing everyone just because of how easy it is to find free music. It took me a good 4 years to replace all the crap I had downloaded through college, though.
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      I just need to ask,

      But when you paid for every single song, software, and application...

      Out of all those songs that you bought, minus the ones that you purchased in a digital download format via iTunes or Amazon.com medium, how many of those CD's did you purchase brand new from the store?
    1. bengo's Avatar
      bengo -
      Quote Originally Posted by carlbgc View Post
      But you can get free apps from the app store...
      Enjoy your free fart apps from the AppStore.
    1. ninthchamber99's Avatar
      ninthchamber99 -
      Wow!! This thread has made for interesting reading this Monday morning/afternoon. My opinion has changed with every post I have read. Ok, in the beginning before there was even an app store, what was the main reason people jailbroke their phone/ipod? Was it so you could customize your phone to look/sound that way you wanted it to or was it to add a new app. to your phone? I think the majority of people jailbroke their phones so they could customize it the way they wanted to. But by doing this you needed to add certain apps (some hidden from sight, others had their own icons on the homescreens). So, the true reason jailbreaking was started was to add certain applications which could in turn be used to customize the phone.

      Fast forward a little bit......Apple sees how many people are jailbreaking their phones to add new, cool, apps to their phones so they can have the best looking/sounding/functioning phone on the block and in return Apple creates the App Store to counter the jailbreaking going on. Then what happens next, most if not all the apps seen in the App Store start showing up in Cydia/Installer. Why?? Because people dont want to pay Apple a dime.

      So it is very ironic that now the ones that were offering the same apps the App Store had for free are trying to charge for them now. So what will happen next, a new free installer/cydia ripoff will be created since the Cydia Store seems to be coming.

      Bottom line is the economy EVERYWHERE is struggling. It is naive to think that people will not try to find a way to get something for free when they have the means to pay for it. All the fools on these forums who say "Stop being cheap" or "You bought an Apple product so you must have money" STFU!!!! You can not speak on a person's behalf. Maybe a year ago when they got their phone they had a job or extra cash but to say that you must have money now since you bought a phone in the past year is bull!! I have a job, plenty of money, and I still dont want to pay for anything if I can get it for free. Dont get me wrong, I have paid for apps from the app store and will probably pay for apps from this new Cydia Store crap but I will not like it. But honestly, if I offered to get you a new MacBook Pro (and we all know they are not cheap) for free, are you going to say no thank you and use your money to buy one at full price or are you going to take the free computer? And if you say you would buy one at full price, then I have some swamp land to sell you that can be used for growing crops and I'll sell it to you for a good price!!
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      Do you have how much money I would spend in a day if I donated to every single thing that I use?

      SomaFM, Sabayon Linux, Firefox themes and addons, Windowblinds themes, Backgrounder, Poof, Winterboard themes, every single app that is freely given, that was initially created for the person whom created it, and then shared with the rest of the world.

      Every app that is in existence started as a self-serving tool to fill a void in the eyes of the developer. They wanted to create it. They saw a need for something. They freely created it for themselves and then in turns figured that someone else was going to see the same need, and decided to share it freely.

      And then turn around and ask for a donation...

      That is like me going to the people who's computers I fix for free, and asking them to donate money to me cause I volunteered to do something.

      Volunteering your time and effort means exactly what it means. You are not hired, you are not randomly selected, you stood up and said "i'll do it for FREE!".

      And then turn around and say, "oh yeah, could you donate something to me!". Nothing personal towards anyone, but donations are meant to go to a cause. Something that benefits the poor and downtrodden, not people who obviously have enough for a 2000 dollar Macbook Pro or a 5000 dollar Mac Desktop.

      If you want to sell something, then fine sell something. If you want to give it away freely, then don't waste your time asking for donations! You chose to give it away! What did you expect that you were going to his some soft spot in my heart because you threw "donate" up in the header?

      It's like the South Park app that showed up on Cydia. My first thought was that it connected to the South Park website where the shows are posted for free. And then when it went down and the Dev started saying "oh it's gonna cost me X dollars for a new server, and out of 100000 people on a few people donated...". Sorry, but what did you honestly expect?

      And the economy? The economy is only bad because people are too damned scared to go out and spend money anymore. That is the reason and the sole reason the economy sucks right now. And it's not every where in America right now either.

      In my region of Western PA, the economy is fine and stable. People are still spending, People still have jobs, and we are just fine and dandy.

      The only reason the economy is "bad", is because people keep watching the news, freaking out at 8.2% jobless claims, and not even consider that it also means 91.8% EMPLOYED WORKING INDIVIDUALS!

      Look in the end, if dev's want to officially say give me a dollar for the app that I created, then let them. Good for them. But don't come down on my head because you might think I am "cheap" in saying I don't want to pay for something that yesterday might have cost me nothing.
    1. bengo's Avatar
      bengo -
      Quote Originally Posted by ninthchamber99 View Post
      Wow!! This thread has made for interesting reading this Monday morning/afternoon. My opinion has changed with every post I have read. Ok, in the beginning before there was even an app store, what was the main reason people jailbroke their phone/ipod? Was it so you could customize your phone to look/sound that way you wanted it to or was it to add a new app. to your phone? I think the majority of people jailbroke their phones so they could customize it the way they wanted to. But by doing this you needed to add certain apps (some hidden from sight, others had their own icons on the homescreens). So, the true reason jailbreaking was started was to add certain applications which could in turn be used to customize the phone.

      Fast forward a little bit......Apple sees how many people are jailbreaking their phones to add new, cool, apps to their phones so they can have the best looking/sounding/functioning phone on the block and in return Apple creates the App Store to counter the jailbreaking going on. Then what happens next, most if not all the apps seen in the App Store start showing up in Cydia/Installer. Why?? Because people dont want to pay Apple a dime.

      So it is very ironic that now the ones that were offering the same apps the App Store had for free are trying to charge for them now. So what will happen next, a new free installer/cydia ripoff will be created since the Cydia Store seems to be coming.

      Bottom line is the economy EVERYWHERE is struggling. It is naive to think that people will not try to find a way to get something for free when they have the means to pay for it. All the fools on these forums who say "Stop being cheap" or "You bought an Apple product so you must have money" STFU!!!! You can not speak on a person's behalf. Maybe a year ago when they got their phone they had a job or extra cash but to say that you must have money now since you bought a phone in the past year is bull!! I have a job, plenty of money, and I still dont want to pay for anything if I can get it for free. Dont get me wrong, I have paid for apps from the app store and will probably pay for apps from this new Cydia Store crap but I will not like it. But honestly, if I offered to get you a new MacBook Pro (and we all know they are not cheap) for free, are you going to say no thank you and use your money to buy one at full price or are you going to take the free computer? And if you say you would buy one at full price, then I have some swamp land to sell you that can be used for growing crops and I'll sell it to you for a good price!!
      What applications can you find on AppStore that are on Cydia? Please don't kid yourself. Can you find Cycorder, Cyntact, or any other USEFUL cydia app for free on AppStore? Doubt it.
    1. ninthchamber99's Avatar
      ninthchamber99 -
      Quote Originally Posted by bengo View Post
      What applications can you find on AppStore that are on Cydia? Please don't kid yourself. Can you find Cycorder, Cyntact, or any other USEFUL cydia app for free on AppStore? Doubt it.
      But the App Store is not just dedicated to what your narrow mind finds 'useful'. Maybe someone finds the cycorder to be useless where you find it helpful. The overall point is that the developers in the beginning shared their apps for free (or simply put, the devs. who did not require you to buy the app and called it a donation or emailed you a code to unlock the full version after their paypal acct. was hit up). When Cydia, or even the original Installer, was introduced a majority of the apps were apps to customize your phone's look and sound with the other apps being apps that could be used for everyday use for the individual user. Once Apple created the App. Store, every developer saw Apple as the greedy company that took their homebrewing ideas and made a profit off of them. So dont kid yourself into believing that their aren't any apps in the app store for free that are found on Cydia!!

      Installer was created to customize, Cydia was created to be an upgraded version of Installer, the App. Store was created to be a the 'official Apple' version of Installer and Cydia, and now the Cydia Store is being created to be the 'unofficial Apple' version of the App. Store!!! Like I said, I will buy an app from Cydia if it is good and not offered on the App. Store for cheaper. But lets face it, Installer/Cydia was free, the App. Store came along with their prices (regardless if they cost $.99 or $9.99) and has basically forced Cydia to create a 'Cydia Store', what makes you think that someone else wont come along and create another free version of cydia?

      And as a specific example of apps found for free on both the App Store and Cydia are Pipeline on the App Store and Pushr in cydia. I find both useful for sending pictures taken with the phone to my Flickr acct. Both are free, and are useful (for me anyway, dont really care about you) and with Pipeline you can send the videos taken with cycorder to your flickr acct as well (but to send the videos you need another free app from cydia called PPVideoEnabler). Again, to each his/her own. So dont make blanketed statements about usefulness because every iphone owner has their own definition of 'useful'.
    1. cpjr's Avatar
      cpjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by thetoothfairy View Post
      Please forgive me for pointing this out..... l know your not pointing fingers at all of us as.... but maybe you should have stated this a little different as we are not all cheap.... I have followed each and every page of this thread and many in this thread have stated that they don't mind paying for apps and have bought many of them..... and have told others their concerns as far as supporting the devs.........

      I can't agree with you more as there are some on this thread that are ungrateful.......

      As I have followed this thread...... its like tug a war.... I will pay for apps and I won't..... all I can say is if your smart pay for apps.......
      Yes and sorry....I wasnt pointing at everyone (obviously those who pay are included), but one of my pet-peeves is hearing "I only jailbreak so I can get free stuff" over and over again.

      People are getting sooo upset about the Cydia change when the fact is....if a dev wanted to charge for his work, most likely he already is. Sure, Im guessing there will be a percentage that take advantage of this and start charging....but for the most part, or until something actually happens, people really need to chill.

      Quote Originally Posted by boe_dye View Post
      And this is where I will totally disagree with you on this.

      If developing apps is anything like making sound effects and audio engineering, or even making music, then the dev's are first and foremost are making the app for themselves because they feel the need for it, and once that need has been satisfied that their need has been met, then they share it because they know that someone else is probably thinking of it too.

      Believe me, I am grateful for their generosity as well as ingenuity and talent, however I would never once think that they are doing it for me.
      I disagree myself. Whether they are developing this stuff for themselves or not....if they are taking the time to release it for everyone else to enjoy at no charge.....then they are doing that for other people's enjoyment. Otherwise, why not just keep it to themselves
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      Quote Originally Posted by bengo View Post
      What applications can you find on AppStore that are on Cydia? Please don't kid yourself. Can you find Cycorder, Cyntact, or any other USEFUL cydia app for free on AppStore? Doubt it.
      I don't think he was meaning specifically, but things like enabling emoji, mobile finder, and a few other odds and ends do end up in both places.

      Okay... so technically speaking mobile finder was on installer first and under GNU before it went to appstore, but the point is still that you can find duplicate things here and there..
    1. eatdirt1's Avatar
      eatdirt1 -
      ok just a question,because im confused,were is this cidya store,is it just on the iphone,or is there a link?
    1. spikedfo's Avatar
      spikedfo -
      Quote Originally Posted by eatdirt1 View Post
      ok just a question,because im confused,were is this cidya store,is it just on the iphone,or is there a link?
      Same question here
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      the cydia store i believe is just cydia like it normally is but u can purchase the apps through cydia without having to go to an outside website to purchase the app
    1. Scooterpig's Avatar
      Scooterpig -
      Does anyone know if after purchasing an app from the store and then doing an OS Update or a Restore, what happens to the bought app?
    1. ajl917's Avatar
      ajl917 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Scooterpig View Post
      Does anyone know if after purchasing an app from the store and then doing an OS Update or a Restore, what happens to the bought app?
      I assume your license is still intact, but just to make sure, ask Saurik, the guy is really helpful...
    1. Scooterpig's Avatar
      Scooterpig -
      Thanks ajl - did just that and got a short reply of NO never have to pay for it again, so am assuming it -re-installs itself once Cydia is fired up on an update and/or restore..
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Good to know
    1. justoon7's Avatar
      justoon7 -
      i guess ur rite