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  • Apple and Verizon in Talks: CDMA iPhone in 2010?


    A deal is in the works for Verizon to carry a special CDMA version of the iPhone, according to an analyst. If the two companies can come to terms, the iPhone could be running on Verizon's 3G network by the middle of 2010, according to UBS Investment Research analyst Maynard J. Um.

    Apple has seen, in country after country where the iPhone is available on multiple carriers, a marked uptick in sales. However, in the largest market there is only one carrier, because Apple had made a long term agreement with AT&T. The original deal was reported to be for a five year term, though it's been widely rumored that the term was changed when the AT&T agreed to heavily subsidize the expensive iPhone 3G. Most observers believe that the arrangement will expire this year.

    Rumors and reports from cell phone chip manufacturers like Qualcomm have persistently suggested that a CDMA-capable version of the iPhone may come to market this year. Verizon's CEO also fed these rumors by saying his network "could handle" the iPhone. UBS indicates that Apple and Verizon are currently in negotiations. "We believe a CDMA-iPhone is also in the works," analyst Um wrote in a note to investors, as AppleInsider reports. "We believe Verizon Wireless and Apple may currently be apart on pricing."

    Verizon has been harshly critical of AT&T's 3G network in its "There's a Map for That" ad campaign, and poked fun at the iPhone in its ads for the Motorola Droid smartphone, This has led some observers to doubt that Apple would bring the iPhone to Verizon, which is also beginning to market Palm smartphones and Google's HTC-manufactured Nexus One.

    Many consumers have expressed disappointment with AT&T's network performance, and the company received the lowest rating of all major US carriers in a recent survey, while Verizon came in first. Also, the iPhone currently runs only on UMTS/GSM networks, and adding CDMA capability would allow the phone to be used on more systems worldwide. If the two companies can agree on pricing, a potentially enormous market could be opened up for the iPhone.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple and Verizon in Talks: CDMA iPhone in 2010? started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 49 Comments
    1. Riviera's Avatar
      Riviera -
      I hope Verizon gets the iPhone, so those who have been whining about AT&T network quality can switch right away. In that case, AT&T network won't be overloaded anymore, no more drop calls, faster 3G, data/call plans will also be cheaper and bla bla bla ....

      Also I'd like to see how well Verizon 1.4 Mbit 3G EVDO network handles iPhone data traffic. From a recent survey, AT&T 3.2 Mbit network is waaayyy faster than Verizon. Oh ... don't forget the upcoming AT&T 7.4 Mbit enhanced UMTS data service and how about also the upcoming AT&T Wifi hotspots which iPhone users can seamlessly login for free when they are within range.

      I wonder what Verizon would do to keep up with AT&T?
    1. shadow25's Avatar
      shadow25 -
      As long as they contiune iPhones that use SIMs, I'm fine

      I'm sticking with T-Mobile. Everywhere I go, I have coverage and the EDGE keeps me from spending all day on my phone
    1. rickybobby's Avatar
      rickybobby -
      I hope it goes to verizon wireless for two reasons

      1)at&t would have to lower pricing to compete with customers new and old

      2)having the iphone on another network would slow down the network thats so stressed out by the iphone

      hopefully when it comes out it will have what we been asking for and that everyone will be satisfied
    1. masterp0606's Avatar
      masterp0606 -
      Im ready for it to go to verizon. I tried the Iphone out, because I wanted one since it came out, and I loved it but couldn't get service in my area.So I have a droid now.
    1. playful_cyanide's Avatar
      playful_cyanide -
      If they've /just/ started talking about negotiations /now/, don't expect anything until 2011.
    1. starjar's Avatar
      starjar -
      nope bad idea. this will screw many things.
    1. Meatloaf's Avatar
      Meatloaf -
      Apple just resigned with ATT for another 2 years until 2012
    1. JayWheelz's Avatar
      JayWheelz -
      I'm glad. At&t need some pressure. Maybe they'll finally fix their network so people that are stuck on Edge can use 3G. This will be interesting.
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
      Apple just resigned with ATT for another 2 years until 2012
      Source?
    1. tudtran's Avatar
      tudtran -
      I wanna see this deal go though. Because At&T network is suck. My iPhone always dropped calls, and sometime my messages get delay for hours.
    1. kraziebone's Avatar
      kraziebone -
      So would this iPhone be a different iPhone or would they just add CDMA capability on all iPhones they ship? Thoughts?
    1. Pufferking's Avatar
      Pufferking -
      Does this mean AT&T won't get a new iPhone this year.
      I hope not I like AT&T in my area and love my iPhone
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      Bell DOES have a simless iPhone,
      Are you sure? I did not think that was the case.

      Did you get a chance to look at the Verizon iPhone? If it does happen presumably it will be the 4th Gen iPhone released in June/July but if that was the case I would have expected to have heard of large orders for the qualcom chip but as it's only been announced recentlyI would be surprised if it can have been tested, approved and put in to production for a summer release.

      [Edit]http://www.bell.ca/support/PrsCSrvWls_GettingStartedGuide.page#4 Bell uses SIM cards and has an HSDPA network [/Edit]
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      Source?
      They didn't resign anything. Their original and still standing exclusivity contract with Apple and the iPhone was for 5 years since the first one. It's been about close to three years now so 2012 is about right. Ever since there's been rumors floating around from just about every angle possible: Both parties bailing on the other using some clause on the contract. Both parties extending said contracts. Both parties deciding what to do in a game of water polo in a pool of money.

      I may not be the #1 Apple fan to know how their ins and outs work, but all I know from following the iPhone since day 1 is that unless Steve Jobs himself says so, it will be nothing more than a rumor. Hell I'm not even sure anymore about my "5 year contract" statement. It's the oldest thing I remember back when the 2G hadn't even come out. Trying to find a source on it now seems just about impossible.
    1. rwin84's Avatar
      rwin84 -
      on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
    1. RonHC's Avatar
      RonHC -
      Verizon sucks
    1. jdm.accord's Avatar
      jdm.accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      Unfortunately,

      I can confirm this. Had a customer come in today who was a big wig at Verizon and actually showed me his sim-less CDMA Verizon iPhone he has been testing for a few months he says. Wouldn't tell me anything else however. I am bummed, wantd to see it go to T-Mobile. Oh well
      Wait, so Taiwan/China has a guy committing suicide because he loses an iPhone prototype and this guy is parading around telling people he's testing a Verizon iPhone??? I seriously doubt that. I'm not saying I doubt he told you that, but I doubt his credibility. You think Apple is gonna let the lid off this when we can't even get the name of their tablet (or that it even exists) 3 weeks prior to launch??

      And if he is telling the truth, Jobs just hired every hit-man in the state of California to kill him.
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      Are you sure? I did not think that was the case.

      Did you get a chance to look at the Verizon iPhone? If it does happen presumably it will be the 4th Gen iPhone released in June/July but if that was the case I would have expected to have heard of large orders for the qualcom chip but as it's only been announced recentlyI would be surprised if it can have been tested, approved and put in to production for a summer release.

      [Edit]http://www.bell.ca/support/PrsCSrvWls_GettingStartedGuide.page#4 Bell uses SIM cards and has an HSDPA network [/Edit]
      You're correct about Bell. I never really looked into it. As far as the phone I was shown, it was a 3GS running on Verizon, not a 4th Gen.

      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      Wait, so Taiwan/China has a guy committing suicide because he loses an iPhone prototype and this guy is parading around telling people he's testing a Verizon iPhone??? I seriously doubt that. I'm not saying I doubt he told you that, but I doubt his credibility. You think Apple is gonna let the lid off this when we can't even get the name of their tablet (or that it even exists) 3 weeks prior to launch??

      And if he is telling the truth, Jobs just hired every hit-man in the state of California to kill him.
      The whole hit man story that aired months prior was pertaining to a new device. The Verizon iPhone that was presented to me was a 3GS, not a 4th gen or any other "secret" model. It is no secret that electronic companies and cell companies send their devices to the networks to test their abilities on such networks. The customer I had said he worked for Verizon corporate and was doing consumer testing of the device on their network. He wouldnt tell me anything else, and I didnt really push him to it. Personally, it makes me sick to my stomach to think Verizon would get the iPhone. I would much rather see this phone go to T-Mobile.
    1. RaginAsian55's Avatar
      RaginAsian55 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      I would much rather see this phone go to T-Mobile.
      +1

      I love TMobile! been with them since 2001 and had my whole family switched over. I use my 3GS on Edge which works great. It's not as fast as 3G, sure, but I'll Wifi to do all that heavy network stuff. If no wifi is available, then I'll just play games or watch a movie or listen to music. Isn't that the appeal of the iPhone in general?- there's so much you can do on one portable device?
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      I love T-Mobile which is why I use my iPhone with FW3.12 RedSn0wed and officially unlocked with a nice custom bootlogo on T-Mobile as their 3G speeds are great