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  • Jailbreakers to Apple: “This is only the beginning...”


    There are 100 million iDevice users in the world. The U.S. Copyright Office Monday had a huge ruling for the jailbreak community, and in fact all iDevice users and developers - officially declaring jailbreak legal. Of course - there's still work to be done. Monday's ruling was a solid first step, but the road to an open mobile app market has some asphalt left to traverse.

    The mobile app market is dominated by the iPhone. The Android market is estimated to do only 10% of the App Store's 2010 income. There are a few smatterings of mobile app stores (huh? what's a Pre?), but nothing coming close to Apple's share and position. If you want innovative, easy to use, cool apps - you need an iPhone. It's where the talent has set up shop.

    Here's the thing - Monday says jailbreaking is legal. But with each firmware Apple breaks the jailbreak solution, erases jailbreakers' installed apps, and makes it more difficult to jailbreak the next firmware. New hardware checks in the iPhone 3G[S] and iPhone 4 are great examples of this continued anti-competitive behavior. Now - the jailbreak is obviously exploiting a security hole, so Apple is within their rights (and arguably within their RESPONSIBILITY) to patch these holes. The ultimate goal? No need for a jailbreak - being able to, say, install Cydia or Rock simply by dragging it into iTunes.

    Rock Your Phone, an independent iPhone App Store which markets apps to jailbreakers (you're familiar), has already begun the next step in our shared battle to stop Apple from restricting access to independent apps for all iPhone consumers. This week, Rock Your Phone’s President, Mario Ciabarra, and its Chief Legal Officer, Joshua Horenstein, took the cause of the independent iPhone community to the U.S. Congress with Public Knowledge, a national public interest organization dedicated to providing open and free access in the communication and technology industries. The Rock Your Phone and Public Knowledge team spent this week meeting with the offices of over a dozen Congressional leaders, including those from the Commerce committees in both the House and the Senate, to educate them about Apple’s harmful anti-jailbreak activities in the mobile application marketplace.

    Ciabarra and Horenstein spent a (very) full week meeting with these key Congressional staff members, explaining and describing Apple’s current monopoly in the mobile application market place and its harmful effects on consumers and small businesses. I chatted with Ciabarra while he was there, and he was impressed with the responses. “U.S. leaders have been open to learning more about this rapidly growing sector of the economy and the actions of Apple to control this sector,” he said. These guys also emphasized another point - because the mobile application market has grown to such as significant size in the last two years (over $1.3 billion in sales) and because Apple, a single monopolistic entity, clearly dominates and controls this market to the detriment of large and small businesses, this is now ripe for oversight and review by Congress and the U.S. government.

    The major issue is Apple is 100% in control of this market. Ciabarra makes a good point to Congress - "giving a single entity control of what succeeds in an entire industry just does not make sense. Apple is using their monopoly to control content and technology in the app market industry and is harming consumers, small businesses like ours, and big businesses such as Mozilla, Skype, Google, and Adobe.” Rock Your Phone and the Public Knowledge team petitioned Congressional leaders for Congressional hearings attended by all interested parties to review and analyze the mobile application marketplace and Apple’s restrictions on the iPhone platform. “We’ve seen this before in the 1990’s with Microsoft. Monopoly power is not a bad thing, but when it is used to lock out competition to detriment of consumers and small businesses, we need government action to create and preserve a free and competitive marketplace. Only under these circumstances can the market ensure prices which reflect true costs, and also ensure that consumers make efficient economic choices regarding which technology and content satisfies their needs.”

    In other words - it's my pocket computer. Let me install what I want, and stop deleting it with every update.

    You can check out the full presentation the Rock Your Phone crew made to the various Congressional offices here.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Jailbreakers to Apple: “This is only the beginning...” started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 135 Comments
    1. adrian1480's Avatar
      adrian1480 -
      Quote Originally Posted by skater38053 View Post
      Let the jailbreaking begin!
      no, jailbreaking has been a regular.

      instead, let FREEDOM reign.
    1. quidam_brujah's Avatar
      quidam_brujah -
      Wow. I didn't think i would find a Rand-head here. I always find you guys so amusing. This perfect world you guys always speak of doesn't, can't, and won't exist for the same reason that the perfect communist state won't succeed either: the human element. As long as humans are a vital component, neither system will succeed as designed.

      I do find your quote about how a monopoly could not exist without government assistance interesting, considering Apple is doing exactly what they shouldn't be able to do... Where's the government assistance?
    1. Joseph_Prophet's Avatar
      Joseph_Prophet -
      Quote Originally Posted by javiert30 View Post
      Cydia and Rock your phone on app store, that will be great...

      But I think the jailbreak will be necessary anyways, for people that want to unlock their iPhones...
      i'm pretty sure unlocking will somehow be tied into all this, but jailbreaking may still be needed for boot logos and such.
    1. realjaja's Avatar
      realjaja -
      Ota install for everything. Simple. Easy.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      I am shocked that MMi give Rock so much publicity and treat them as if they were equal to cydia - rather than the people who have trashed so many iPhones.

      It's almost as if you guys don't actually talk to any of the Devs.

      I sometimes feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall and people just don't care.
    1. sh33436's Avatar
      sh33436 -
      Quote Originally Posted by greekking23 View Post
      I wholeheartedly agree. I feel as though the true experience of jailbreaking is best the way it is. If the average consumer could simply click a link in the App Store, I am almost positive that something must be destroyed from jailbreaking as WE know it.

      Please, take a moment to think about this. It's 3:00am and I should be sleeping, so I won't go into too much detail. If the bulk of iOS devices get Cydia, the experience of it will become diluted, something made for the masses instead of the relatively small group of people who are motivated enough to break free from the norm, instead of following Apple's mandate.

      To sum it up, once any old iOS owner gets access to Cydia and Rock, then the entire meaning of the jailbreak, one of personalization and control at the user level and being UNIQUE, becomes exactly the opposite: trendy, cool, mainstream.

      Jailbreaking isn't mainstream. It isn't meant to be. I am all for the cause promoted, but I firmly believe that the experience that we know and love will become lost.

      It's a catch-22: go mainstream and lose a figurative part of the JB, or remain selfish and allow Apple to continue it's unfair practices. Being a moral person, I'll take the first choice, but I'll appreciate the JB in a deeper way until that day comes.
      i couldnt agree with u anymore.. then what ploth side that malwear can happen to lots of use like the android. by letting it becoming mainstream, but keep unlocking and jailbreaking the legal for all of us who want explore the phones capabilities.

      then if cydia makes its why on to the phone apple find a why to charge u for it. and dev-team likes giving it back to apple. to there reaction at same time wanting it to free.lol
    1. M4tt Dam0n's Avatar
      M4tt Dam0n -
      bla bla bla just bring out the damn iPhone 4 jailbreak. It's been done wtf are they waiting for.
    1. dread33's Avatar
      dread33 -
      wow this is all good news, even better 4 us who doesnt no much about JB.
    1. kuhndsn's Avatar
      kuhndsn -
      Quote Originally Posted by quidam_brujah View Post
      Wow. I didn't think i would find a Rand-head here. I always find you guys so amusing. This perfect world you guys always speak of doesn't, can't, and won't exist for the same reason that the perfect communist state won't succeed either: the human element. As long as humans are a vital component, neither system will succeed as designed.

      I do find your quote about how a monopoly could not exist without government assistance interesting, considering Apple is doing exactly what they shouldn't be able to do... Where's the government assistance?
      I believe it's on another forum called the Drudge report... Understand you views and respect most everyones right to a free opinion. However, theses threads keep getting highjacked into either hate apple fan boys/love All iKiller prods. To apple sucks but I own every device where is my restitution? It never fails.
    1. Kenny3Stacks's Avatar
      Kenny3Stacks -
      Imagine the possibilities..
    1. ninthchamber99's Avatar
      ninthchamber99 -
      First off the initial post was extremely well written. I believe the attention being bought to the huge amounts of money Apple is receiving and in contrast the amount of money they essentially are preventing others to make will be the most compelling point the government will key in on. Very interesting.

      And the craziest thing about this recent court decision is how everybody now knows about or wants to know about jailbreaking. I have been JBing since I first got my 2G. I too remember the days of sitting there for 20-30 minutes watching your new expensive toy hoping you did not mess any thing up too bad that it could not be recovered from. Now, we have one button tools and the most random people I work with asking me about JBing since they 1. Know I have all my iDevices JBroken and 2. the recent court decision. I am glad we are making progress but I do miss the days of being one of few people I knew who had or knew what JBing was. Just saying.
    1. Chuck1969's Avatar
      Chuck1969 -
      ^^^this! Seemed almost like an elite club!
    1. dej4y's Avatar
      dej4y -
      Love all the people who keep saying it will never happen, end of the day you need to go read up on competition laws and anti monopolistic laws so you actually even understand what's Being done here!

      Any behaviour in the uk deamed anti competitive will result in a fine of upto 10% of your annual turnover.

      In the uk (pos europe) microsoft can't even bundle in internet explorer with any os these days,

      App store exploits dominates and controls the market for both dev and consumer, as political powers are educated and realise this, it will force iPhones to take the same road as windows os :

      please select the browsers you want to install : x y z

      Please select your prefered application provider : x y z

      So ultimately they are aiming for open Market pre jailbroken iPhones, there is no 'it will never happen' the legal presidents are there abd the laws and regulations in place. It's just a matter of time!
    1. kuhndsn's Avatar
      kuhndsn -
      Quote Originally Posted by ninthchamber99 View Post
      First off the initial post was extremely well written. I believe the attention being bought to the huge amounts of money Apple is receiving and in contrast the amount of money they essentially are preventing others to make will be the most compelling point the government will key in on. Very interesting.

      And the craziest thing about this recent court decision is how everybody now knows about or wants to know about jailbreaking. I have been JBing since I first got my 2G. I too remember the days of sitting there for 20-30 minutes watching your new expensive toy hoping you did not mess any thing up too bad that it could not be recovered from. Now, we have one button tools and the most random people I work with asking me about JBing since they 1. Know I have all my iDevices JBroken and 2. the recent court decision. I am glad we are making progress but I do miss the days of being one of few people I knew who had or knew what JBing was. Just saying.
      Lol. I remember thoes days!!! Shoot even remember buying a new 16 gig while in Afganistan. It took me 8 hrs to kb and unlock it. I used the old method because at the time Ziphone was having some issues. Lol.
    1. Kyle Matthews's Avatar
      Kyle Matthews -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I am shocked that MMi give Rock so much publicity and treat them as if they were equal to cydia - rather than the people who have trashed so many iPhones.

      It's almost as if you guys don't actually talk to any of the Devs.
      No one said they're equal to Cydia.

      I am shocked how many people are near-violently against even the MENTION of Rock. We spend plenty of time with devs (you just may be surprised, given your statement - my IRC is open 18+ hrs/day), and even in the harshest of anti-Rock rooms there are bunches who don't mind Rock at all. Their names might also surprise you. A few very vocal devs trash Rock at every opportunity. Some even meet the Rock Your Phone folks' questions of "ok we're listening, what would make the experience better for all" with non-comments and cyclical arguments. We all agree Cydia is more technically solid than Rock. Rock Your Phone is continually working on their product, and they are responsive and open to suggestions, and a part of the jailbreak community.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      I guess I only get to hear the complaints and problems.

      If you are happy with Rock, I guess I should be less vocal in my criticism. It is not something I would have on my phone but I respect your opinion and apologise if I caused offence.
    1. thekid05's Avatar
      thekid05 -
      This is exciting, first the legality is questioned then apple's grip on sales...these are politics I can follow

      Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Matthews View Post
      No one said they're equal to Cydia.

      I am shocked how many people are near-violently against even the MENTION of Rock. We spend plenty of time with devs (you just may be surprised, given your statement - my IRC is open 18+ hrs/day), and even in the harshest of anti-Rock rooms there are bunches who don't mind Rock at all. Their names might also surprise you. A few very vocal devs trash Rock at every opportunity. Some even meet the Rock Your Phone folks' questions of "ok we're listening, what would make the experience better for all" with non-comments
      and cyclical arguments. We all agree Cydia is more technically solid than Rock. Rock Your Phone is continually working on their product, and they are responsive and open to suggestions, and a part of the jailbreak community.
      I like rock more so than cydia sometimes, because it's much faster, it remembers the cache from when u previously launched it, and the interface is smoother, and friendlier, but to each his own and that's what's trying to be accomplished.
    1. Kyle Matthews's Avatar
      Kyle Matthews -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I guess I only get to hear the complaints and problems.

      If you are happy with Rock, I guess I should be less vocal in my criticism. It is not something I would have on my phone but I respect your opinion and apologise if I caused offence.
      No offense here - entitled to your opinion. Just sharing mine.
    1. rockness724's Avatar
      rockness724 -
      Quote Originally Posted by kuhndsn View Post
      Sweet. Drag and drop cydia in iTunes and sync!!! Yesss. Let's Rock out with our cydia out.
      Haha...nice one!
    1. delizaza23's Avatar
      delizaza23 -
      Fuk apple At&T and all other networks who locks the phones