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  • GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband


    Well folks, we're almost there. In the very near future, baseband 05.12.01 could be unlockable for those of us unfortunate enough to be stuck in this position. Now it doesn't necessarily mean 3.1.3 will be worked on, but its good news none the less for those unfortunate users, and for the possibility of a group effort for the next unlock between GeoHot and the DevTeam. Discussed in an IRC channel, GeoHot and the DevTeam's MuscleNerd, share some thoughts on the exploits they have found, and by the looks of things, might actually team up to dish out an ultimate serving of Jailbreaking goodness.

    GeoHot explains that there is an exploit that he had previously discovered and wanted to use with the release of blacksn0w, which has now found to still exist in 3.1.3. He goes on to discuss how he had originally wanted to implement this exploit in blacksn0w but opted to go with an open source route, which makes sense to keep things slightly on the downlow.

    It sounds as though GeoHot and MuscleNerd (Dev Team) may possibly be working on the same exploit, and if that's the case, it would be incredibly logical for them to team up rather than releasing two different exploits, which in the end could just cause more greif when upgrading in the future.

    Here is the excerpt posted by @visnet's twitter that is going around from the IRC Channel.

    What does geohot tweet mean?
    <%geohot> its my bb exploit for safekeeping
    <%Par4doX> geohot: did you turn that over to the dev team or are you doing something with it?
    <%geohot> my days of turning things over are done
    <%geohot> i hope its different from the one they have
    <%geohot> but they prob already have it
    <%geohot> its the one i orig wanted to release blacksn0w with
    <%Par4doX> it’s still there in the new bb
    <%geohot> yep, just checked
    <%geohot> but then opted to use xemn since it was public
    Oo, it carries over from 05.11 to 05.12?
    <%geohot> why wouldn’t it, apple doesn’t fix things proactivly
    <@MuscleNerd> geohot we prob should figure out a way to know if we have same exploit double blind, otherwise we may release 2 different ones at same time
    <%geohot> any suggestions?
    <@MuscleNerd> not sure how to do that without making it easy to brute force tho
    <%geohot> yea, i salted the hash
    <@MuscleNerd> yeah
    <@MuscleNerd> hmm maybe if we both hash the stack dump
    <@Confucious> Can you two take this out of public sight?
    <@MuscleNerd> the stack itself, not the header before it or the registers after it
    muscle: any notice about the exploits are the same ?
    <%geohot> we are working on it
    <%geohot> cryptography, perfect for people who don’t trust each other
    So take it as you will and share your thoughts. Again, we don't expect much for 3.1.3 (Rumor has it OS 3.2 will drop mid March), but this is good news for those of you in an utterly awful situation if your phone has become more like an really expensive iPod Touch.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband started by nickhesson View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. stfudvs's Avatar
      stfudvs -
      that looks less like a colaberation and more like the dev team feelin out what geohots got


      IMO,
    1. casorkc's Avatar
      casorkc -
      in defense uf us ignorami, some of us had newly puchased the used iphone when all this first came down. I update most things and knew as soon as i hit that button that i had fupped duck.Thanks to those of you that are making things happen.I check every day,sometimes twice. We're dieing out here.
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      Quote Originally Posted by n00neimp0rtant View Post
      Call me an arsehole, but honestly, anyone stupid enough to update to 3.1.3 with all the media put out there about NOT updating should be punished for their ignorance by being forced to use a RAZR as his/her phone for the months to come. (I understand it's different for people buying from eBay, but the "accidentally updated" people are just ridiculous.)

      As for untethered, I'm sure we'll see it once the iPhone G4 rolls around.
      Some people were forced to upgrade to 3.1.3. They maybe had a bad install or bad crash and phone is stuck in dfu then they had to go with official 3.1.3 to restore to at least get a working phone.

      Of course if they have their shsh on file they could try to go back to 3.1.2 but that seems to have mixed results.
    1. SamStradling's Avatar
      SamStradling -
      I don't know what you all mean :S i have a 3gs and im not tethered using blackra1n

      Quote Originally Posted by yazzid View Post
      wtf with unlocking..pls do something with later 3gs jailbreak..
      whats wrong with the current 3gs jailbreak? i use it with no problems

      Quote Originally Posted by andyharp View Post
      Some people were forced to upgrade to 3.1.3. They maybe had a bad install or bad crash and phone is stuck in dfu then they had to go with official 3.1.3 to restore to at least get a working phone.

      Of course if they have their shsh on file they could try to go back to 3.1.2 but that seems to have mixed results.
      just download the version you want (search google) then shift restore in itunes and find it
      there your downgraded (y)
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      Aaah, people smarter than me and half my age talking about things I don't understand...

      So why are there only a handful of people that know how to do this? 'Cause there's no money in it?
    1. blkcadi's Avatar
      blkcadi -
      ^ sorry, I believe your wrong, If you do not have the SHSH on file, you can not downgrade, Apple is not signing 3.1.2 for the 3Gs phones.
    1. SamStradling's Avatar
      SamStradling -
      Quote Originally Posted by blkcadi View Post
      ^ sorry, I believe your wrong, If you do have the SHSH on file, you can not downgrade, Apple is not signing 3.1.2 for the 3Gs phones.
      By SHSH you mean the .ipsw file?

      Need to downgrade? Watch this:
      Video Bomb - Downgrade 3.1.3 Firmware To 3.1.2 iPhone And iPod Touch
      I havnt yet but then again I don't need it so why should I?
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      Quote Originally Posted by SamStradling View Post
      I don't know what you all mean :S i have a 3gs and im not tethered using blackra1n



      whats wrong with the current 3gs jailbreak? i use it with no problems



      just download the version you want (search google) then shift restore in itunes and find it
      there your downgraded (y)
      I wish it was that easy. when using itunes your restore to firmware has to be signed by apple or it wont let you restore.
      Apple isn't signing 3.1.2 anymore.
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Quote Originally Posted by wezz69 View Post
      The point is, Geo just might not have the skills to bring out an untethered jailbreak for 3gs 3.1.2=/>!! Think about it, its been a good few months since blackra1n was released, if it was possible to have a untethered jailbreak, then it would have been out well before now!!... IT JUST CANT BE DONE... thats why hes waiting for the new 3.2 and 4G iphone to see if apple have let him find an untethered jailbreak, if they havent then people like me (and there are literally 1000s) will be stuck in this shithole of untethered darkness... i jailbroke my 3gs 3.1.2 OTB the day the jailbreak was released, and here i am stuck!! the iphone battery is crap, and i have to keep looking at my iphone just to make sure im near my house or car or im without any means of communication if the battery dies! its like the bleeding dark ages! im gona sell it on ebay and just hope they dont want it jailbrokn, gona upgrade to 3.1.3 first and hope that fixes the stupid tethered crap, then sell it and buy the 3G, i can live without the compass anyways!!
      You probably don't realize this, but Geohot has been tinkering with other toys for the past few months and really hasnt showed any interest with messing with the iPhone since blackra1n. Never say never....

      Quote Originally Posted by SamStradling View Post
      By SHSH you mean the .ipsw file?

      Need to downgrade? Watch this:
      Video Bomb - Downgrade 3.1.3 Firmware To 3.1.2 iPhone And iPod Touch
      I havnt yet but then again I don't need it so why should I?
      Downgrading on the iPhone 2g and 3G is not a problem, however it will be difficult to download the baseband on the 3G if you do not have the 5.08 bootloader. The 3GS is the device that requires a signed ipsw. If you do not have your ECID SHSH backed up for the previous firmwares, you are not downgrading.
    1. SamStradling's Avatar
      SamStradling -
      I bet you all heard the news geo just cracked the ps3 that's why he isn't doing much on the iPhone
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      This may be good news...
    1. SamStradling's Avatar
      SamStradling -
      Quote Originally Posted by awesomeiPod View Post
      This may be good news...
      Sorry :S what may be good news?
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      The reason an untethered jailbreak hasn't been released is because the exploit is being saved for the iPad and iPhone 4. The exploit(s) are there and it is hoped that they will remain there. As far as this BB exploit from geohot and the dev team goes, the earliest they would release it would be when 3.2 drops later next month with the iPad.
    1. Windmeel's Avatar
      Windmeel -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      The reason an untethered jailbreak hasn't been released is because the exploit is being saved for the iPad and iPhone 4. The exploit(s) are there and it is hoped that they will remain there. As far as this BB exploit from geohot and the dev team goes, the earliest they would release it would be when 3.2 drops later next month with the iPad.
      THANK YOU. Lets hope its for 4.0 though.
    1. ownerofspam's Avatar
      ownerofspam -
      Quote Originally Posted by Windmeel View Post
      THANK YOU. Lets hope its for 4.0 though.
      From what they've been talking about greenpois0n; they are planning to release it in June with the new iPhone. Releasing it in March could cause Apple to patch it up in that few months time and ruin the exploit. I would personally much rather have the community be able to survive after the new iPhone come out instead of being stuck where we are for months without a ability to find a jailbreak.
      Also, does anybody know if Geohot talking with DevTeam involves Chronic Dev at all?
    1. dbrose's Avatar
      dbrose -
      In the UK O2 will unlock your phone for free if you are on a pay monthly contract. You just apply online and you get a text within 14 days which tells you to place another providers sim in your phone and connect to iTunes. This then unlocks the phone and installs new carrier bundles. If you are on PAYG you have to have had the phone 1year and pay 15.

      O2 started this the day the exclusivity ended in the UK. I applied that day and was unlocked within 2 weeks. Only had the phone 3 months.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      The reason an untethered jailbreak hasn't been released is because the exploit is being saved for the iPad and iPhone 4. The exploit(s) are there and it is hoped that they will remain there. As far as this BB exploit from geohot and the dev team goes, the earliest they would release it would be when 3.2 drops later next month with the iPad.
      A BB exploit (if one / many exist) is for unlock - nothing to do with tethered/untethered.

      Unless, of course, I have totally misunderstood things?
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      ^ I'm talking about two different exploits. The BB one is for unlocking. The other one will allow for a untethered jailbreak. So I mean that both the exploits will be saved
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      Quote Originally Posted by itaintrite View Post
      Because a) his blacksn0w is the only unlock for 5.11.07 and b) he was the first to release 3GS jailbreak. Even if he doesn't release new hacks in the near future, that still deserves donation (whether YOU think he deserves it or not).
      And then he pissed and moaned about people complaining that his methods were hacky and flaky. He releases things that aren't finished and then gets baffled why people want his flaky methods fixed. I gave him a donation for the work he did on the 3GS jailbreak and I realize he doesn't have to do this for free or continue to do it, but he shouldn't be such a douche about people wanting him to fix his halfass methods. Dev Team rarely release something that doesn't work straight away and when they do they immediately fix it. They don't piss and moan and tell people that gave them money to go pound sand when they want a fix for it.
    1. brotherbond007's Avatar
      brotherbond007 -
      I agree Kart. I hope the the Dev team continues to go their thing. I read Geo's post and could careless about his attitude. He maybe great and all but he will learn that respect will always get you farther than your knowledge. There will always be someone smarter than you. Your chewing gum is going stale.