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  • GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband


    Well folks, we're almost there. In the very near future, baseband 05.12.01 could be unlockable for those of us unfortunate enough to be stuck in this position. Now it doesn't necessarily mean 3.1.3 will be worked on, but its good news none the less for those unfortunate users, and for the possibility of a group effort for the next unlock between GeoHot and the DevTeam. Discussed in an IRC channel, GeoHot and the DevTeam's MuscleNerd, share some thoughts on the exploits they have found, and by the looks of things, might actually team up to dish out an ultimate serving of Jailbreaking goodness.

    GeoHot explains that there is an exploit that he had previously discovered and wanted to use with the release of blacksn0w, which has now found to still exist in 3.1.3. He goes on to discuss how he had originally wanted to implement this exploit in blacksn0w but opted to go with an open source route, which makes sense to keep things slightly on the downlow.

    It sounds as though GeoHot and MuscleNerd (Dev Team) may possibly be working on the same exploit, and if that's the case, it would be incredibly logical for them to team up rather than releasing two different exploits, which in the end could just cause more greif when upgrading in the future.

    Here is the excerpt posted by @visnet's twitter that is going around from the IRC Channel.

    What does geohot tweet mean?
    <%geohot> its my bb exploit for safekeeping
    <%Par4doX> geohot: did you turn that over to the dev team or are you doing something with it?
    <%geohot> my days of turning things over are done
    <%geohot> i hope its different from the one they have
    <%geohot> but they prob already have it
    <%geohot> its the one i orig wanted to release blacksn0w with
    <%Par4doX> it’s still there in the new bb
    <%geohot> yep, just checked
    <%geohot> but then opted to use xemn since it was public
    Oo, it carries over from 05.11 to 05.12?
    <%geohot> why wouldn’t it, apple doesn’t fix things proactivly
    <@MuscleNerd> geohot we prob should figure out a way to know if we have same exploit double blind, otherwise we may release 2 different ones at same time
    <%geohot> any suggestions?
    <@MuscleNerd> not sure how to do that without making it easy to brute force tho
    <%geohot> yea, i salted the hash
    <@MuscleNerd> yeah
    <@MuscleNerd> hmm maybe if we both hash the stack dump
    <@Confucious> Can you two take this out of public sight?
    <@MuscleNerd> the stack itself, not the header before it or the registers after it
    muscle: any notice about the exploits are the same ?
    <%geohot> we are working on it
    <%geohot> cryptography, perfect for people who don’t trust each other
    So take it as you will and share your thoughts. Again, we don't expect much for 3.1.3 (Rumor has it OS 3.2 will drop mid March), but this is good news for those of you in an utterly awful situation if your phone has become more like an really expensive iPod Touch.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband started by nickhesson View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
      Typing is not my strongest skill but you have not answered my question whereas I tried to answer yours.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      Obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
      Typing is not my strongest skill
      You sure you meant typing ?

      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      but you have not answered my question whereas I tried to answer yours.
      Jees.
      Is it school holidays again already ?

      For the curious, I've just tried it on my JB'd 3G 312 and the unlock works fine on GSM and 3G for carriers on different frequencies : - in this instance O2 and T-Mo ... 900 and 1800 MHz respectively.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      European 3G all runs on 2100Mhz
      But don't let that worry you.
      There's no helping some people.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      European 3G all runs on 2100Mhz
      That's not in dispute.

      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency.
      If you're saying that the iPhone doesn't support whatever frequency T-Mo USA 3G runs on, then you need to say so.

      If you didn't mean that, then say what you did (mean).

      Your 'answers' are vague and ambiguous - because they omit the requisite information, thereby raising only more questions.

      But doubtless, you'll fail (yet again) to see what ambiguities your replies raise and post something to cloud the waters still further.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      I'm really not sure how much simpler I can make the statement

      "If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency."

      I realise there are words with more than one syllable but maybe you could get a friend to help explain them to you?
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I'm really not sure how much simpler I can make the statement

      "If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency."
      ... which as previously stated, simply demonstrates that you're simply to blind to see what ambiguities are raised.

      For clues at to what this might be, reread my post before last.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      The one where you quote the 2G frequencies and totally ignore the 3G frequencies?
      What does that have to do with T-Mobile USA 3G frequency?
      One of us is being very dense here.
      I'll leave others to make up their minds which one it is.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Wow. How hard is it to understand a basic statement like: you can't use Tmo's 3G frequency on the iPhone? Someone should go back to bed and start all over again.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Thanks guys, I lol'd
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Eventually you find one.

      I'm not sure how many people have understood my explanation or, if they need or want a more detailed explanation, been able to ask for one.

      This one got me beat.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I'm not sure how many people have understood my explanation or, if they need or want a more detailed explanation, been able to ask for one.
      So, a tacit admission that you failed to see why someone might need more info than you posted.

      "Can't use the 3G network" on an unlocked iPhone might be for a number of reasons.
      But you failed to see that ... and then got arsey when asked to clarify.

      Do you get *****-slapped a lot ?
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      No

      I'm trying to avoid saying that many people have understood what I say but you seem incapable of doing so - I'm not sure why - or what I can do to help?
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
      So, a tacit admission that you failed to see why someone might need more info than you posted.

      "Can't use the 3G network" on an unlocked iPhone might be for a number of reasons.
      But you failed to see that ... and then got arsey when asked to clarify.

      Do you get *****-slapped a lot ?
      I just bothered to check what frequency T-Mo USA 3G uses - looks like 1900 MHz, which is supported by the iPhone.

      So why would an unlocker be able to use other carriers' 3G networks on 1900, but not T-Mo USA's ?

      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      No

      I'm trying to avoid saying that many people have understood what I say
      ... sorry, maybe we're in different but parallel dimensions here - but I can't see any posts saying "Oh yes, I see exactly what you're getting at".

      Maybe my eyes aren't as good as yours ?

      I'm sure you'll be good enough to provide us all with detailed explanation of the T-Mo USA anomoly ?

      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I'm really not sure how much simpler I can make the statement

      "If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency."
      We're waiting ....

      T-Mo USA runs on 1900 MHz - which is supported by the iPhone.

      Remind us why he wouldn't be able to use it in the USA, if you'd be so kind.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Maybe you are just stupid.

      T-Mobile use a different frequency from everyone else (1700/2100) - what is it you don't understand?

      [edit] Just checked your previous post - you have confirmed that you can't confirm basic facts[/edit]

      It's time for me to sleep now.
      Can someone else answer this idiot's questions?
      I look forward to his apology in the morning.
      Nite all.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      Maybe you are just stupid.

      T-Mobile use a different frequency from everyone else (1700/2100)
      But the iPhone supports 2100 MHz.

      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      T-Mobile use a different frequency from everyone else (1700/2100) -
      Can anyone explain to this retard why what he's spouting makes no sense ?

      Ph*ck knows, I've wasted enough of my life trying.
    1. battlecrushr's Avatar
      battlecrushr -
      dude just listen
      U CANNOT GET TMOBILE 3G ON AN UNLOCKED IPHONE
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by battlecrushr View Post
      dude just listen
      U CANNOT GET TMOBILE 3G ON AN UNLOCKED IPHONE
      Strange, I can.
      O2 and T-Mo : 3G on both.

      Dude, I suggest you butt out of this argument until you understand a few basics.
      Then you won't look like a fanny when you can't explain what you say.
    1. angiepangie's Avatar
      angiepangie -
      Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
      But the iPhone supports 2100 MHz.


      Can anyone explain to this retard why what he's spouting makes no sense ?

      Ph*ck knows, I've wasted enough of my life trying.
      It uploads & downloads on different frequencies. To be able to use T-mobile's 3G you need to have 1700 & 2100 ...
      Sorry kid, but you're just making yourself look like an idiot.
    1. battlecrushr's Avatar
      battlecrushr -
      where do u live.
      in europe or something.

      Quote Originally Posted by angiepangie View Post
      It uploads & downloads on different frequencies. You be able to use T-mobile's 3G you need to have 1700 & 2100 ...
      Sorry kid, but you're just making yourself look like an idiot.
      i know and to top it off hes in an argument with confucious

      haha
      he knows more stuff than most people here
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by angiepangie View Post
      It uploads & downloads on different frequencies. To be able to use T-mobile's 3G you need to have 1700 & 2100 ....
      Thankyou !

      At last - someone who understands the need for facts.

      If RetardBoy had bothered to include that piece of information twenty gazillion posts ago, rather than leaving it to someone else to mention twenty gazillion posts later, all this time could have been saved.

      I move we change his handle to Confused.

      Why didn't he simply say "You need both 1700 and 2100 MHz support, one of which the iPhone lacks" ?

      I feel like fricking billing him for wasting everyone's time.



      And yes, for the record, I do live in 'Europe' .