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  • GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband


    Well folks, we're almost there. In the very near future, baseband 05.12.01 could be unlockable for those of us unfortunate enough to be stuck in this position. Now it doesn't necessarily mean 3.1.3 will be worked on, but its good news none the less for those unfortunate users, and for the possibility of a group effort for the next unlock between GeoHot and the DevTeam. Discussed in an IRC channel, GeoHot and the DevTeam's MuscleNerd, share some thoughts on the exploits they have found, and by the looks of things, might actually team up to dish out an ultimate serving of Jailbreaking goodness.

    GeoHot explains that there is an exploit that he had previously discovered and wanted to use with the release of blacksn0w, which has now found to still exist in 3.1.3. He goes on to discuss how he had originally wanted to implement this exploit in blacksn0w but opted to go with an open source route, which makes sense to keep things slightly on the downlow.

    It sounds as though GeoHot and MuscleNerd (Dev Team) may possibly be working on the same exploit, and if that's the case, it would be incredibly logical for them to team up rather than releasing two different exploits, which in the end could just cause more greif when upgrading in the future.

    Here is the excerpt posted by @visnet's twitter that is going around from the IRC Channel.

    What does geohot tweet mean?
    <%geohot> its my bb exploit for safekeeping
    <%Par4doX> geohot: did you turn that over to the dev team or are you doing something with it?
    <%geohot> my days of turning things over are done
    <%geohot> i hope its different from the one they have
    <%geohot> but they prob already have it
    <%geohot> its the one i orig wanted to release blacksn0w with
    <%Par4doX> it’s still there in the new bb
    <%geohot> yep, just checked
    <%geohot> but then opted to use xemn since it was public
    Oo, it carries over from 05.11 to 05.12?
    <%geohot> why wouldn’t it, apple doesn’t fix things proactivly
    <@MuscleNerd> geohot we prob should figure out a way to know if we have same exploit double blind, otherwise we may release 2 different ones at same time
    <%geohot> any suggestions?
    <@MuscleNerd> not sure how to do that without making it easy to brute force tho
    <%geohot> yea, i salted the hash
    <@MuscleNerd> yeah
    <@MuscleNerd> hmm maybe if we both hash the stack dump
    <@Confucious> Can you two take this out of public sight?
    <@MuscleNerd> the stack itself, not the header before it or the registers after it
    muscle: any notice about the exploits are the same ?
    <%geohot> we are working on it
    <%geohot> cryptography, perfect for people who don’t trust each other
    So take it as you will and share your thoughts. Again, we don't expect much for 3.1.3 (Rumor has it OS 3.2 will drop mid March), but this is good news for those of you in an utterly awful situation if your phone has become more like an really expensive iPod Touch.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband started by nickhesson View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Quote Originally Posted by chevy7298 View Post
      question! I updated to my 3g to 3.1.3 and was able to jailbreak with PWNTOOL. However, obviously my baseband was updated to the 5.12.01 and I locked my phone.... SO question is... since it is already jailbroken, will i just have to unlock it and there will be no problems? Kind of like the update with ultrasn0w???

      Thanks
      No, there is no unlock for the 5.12.01 baseband currently. If the DEV team updates Ultrasn0w for 3.1.3, then yes it would be available for an update. If it is another tool, then it will depend on its method of injection. Too early to tell you...
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      You are out of luck for at least 2 months
    1. chevy7298's Avatar
      chevy7298 -
      2 mos for real?? you think itll take that long???
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      The unlock could be ready in a few days but it wont be released for awhile. The very earliest it will be released is with 3.2. 3.2 will be released when the iPad is. But most likely they will wait til 4.0 to release the unlock.
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      Y'know all this talk about 3.2. I SWEAR Steve said in that keynote that 3.2 was going to be for IPAD ONLY, no iPhone release.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by rruready View Post
      What is the reason for Geohot not wanting to work on the untethering of later models? Excuse me because I'm sure it's been discussed before, but I've never heard why. Thanks.
      Well, if Jobs HAS paid him off, it would be but a drop in the ocean compared to what he could rake from donations if he promised an untethered JB.

      That said, if Jobs has paid him, then it's not likely something he'll go back on - given that he'd have to repay Jobs ... from his donations pot.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Despite everyone saying they would donate to Geohot the actual number that do is remarkably small.

      But he doesn't do it for the money.

      Geo has no interest in creating an untetherd JB and is fed up with people moaning about it so is highly unlikely to take interest.
    1. nicoand's Avatar
      nicoand -
      he never promised an untethered JB give the guy a break man when it comes it comes
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      Despite everyone saying they would donate to Geohot the actual number that do is remarkably small.

      But he doesn't do it for the money.

      Geo has no interest in creating an untetherd JB and is fed up with people moaning about it so is highly unlikely to take interest.
      Donations have been so small because they were all retrospective.

      For a prospective UJB however, I suspect they'd be very substantial.

      GH has tacitly requested donations and I suspect has focused on the PSP3 in preference to the iPhone because either : -

      a) - Jobs has paid him off
      b) - The new BootROM's proving a ***** to break

      Hopefully, a JB will come from the team or Hotz himself.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Geo has always stated that if you like his work you should donate and he will never take donations for something he hasn't done.
      If you think Jobs has paid him off you really don't know what you are talking about.
      I do not believe the Dev Team or Geohot will release anything until the next FW release.
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      Despite everyone saying they would donate to Geohot the actual number that do is remarkably small.

      But he doesn't do it for the money.

      Geo has no interest in creating an untetherd JB and is fed up with people moaning about it so is highly unlikely to take interest.
      I did donate and encourage others to also.
      Come on people. Drop a few bucks helps. $3.00 via paypal.

      Also reverse psychology does not really work that well on adults so insults like "steve jobs paid him off.." and "He can't unlock this or he can't Jailbreak that..."
      is equivalent to putting a plate of vegetables in front of a kid and telling them "you better not eat those or you cant eat all those"
      Do a little basic research. Go to Wikipedia and search "George Hotz" and read a little.
      We all need to have a little gratitude and stop ******** and moaning so much.
      If you don't think geohot is living up to your standards then get involved and do the next jailbreak/ unlock yourself.
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      Turn 3G off in Settings->General->Network. You can only use the phone on other GSM networks.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdogg84able View Post
      UltraSn0w only unlocks BB 04.26.08 - if you didn't use Pwnage to update to 3.12 you will have BB 05.11.07 so need to use BlackSn0w to unlock.
      Why do you post in a forum then ask people to email you? The whole point of forums is to share information. Replies should never be emailed.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      Turn 3G off in Settings->General->Network. You can only use the phone on other GSM networks.
      You mean you can only use GSM on other networks - and not 3G ?
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency.
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      If you are on T-Mobile in the USA you have to turn off 3G as their 3G network is on a different frequency.
      So the unlock is only good for carriers using the same frequency ?
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      The same frequency as what?
      The iPhone supports just about every other GSM carrier's 3G
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      The same frequency as what?
      English is obviously not your first language.