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  • GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband


    Well folks, we're almost there. In the very near future, baseband 05.12.01 could be unlockable for those of us unfortunate enough to be stuck in this position. Now it doesn't necessarily mean 3.1.3 will be worked on, but its good news none the less for those unfortunate users, and for the possibility of a group effort for the next unlock between GeoHot and the DevTeam. Discussed in an IRC channel, GeoHot and the DevTeam's MuscleNerd, share some thoughts on the exploits they have found, and by the looks of things, might actually team up to dish out an ultimate serving of Jailbreaking goodness.

    GeoHot explains that there is an exploit that he had previously discovered and wanted to use with the release of blacksn0w, which has now found to still exist in 3.1.3. He goes on to discuss how he had originally wanted to implement this exploit in blacksn0w but opted to go with an open source route, which makes sense to keep things slightly on the downlow.

    It sounds as though GeoHot and MuscleNerd (Dev Team) may possibly be working on the same exploit, and if that's the case, it would be incredibly logical for them to team up rather than releasing two different exploits, which in the end could just cause more greif when upgrading in the future.

    Here is the excerpt posted by @visnet's twitter that is going around from the IRC Channel.

    What does geohot tweet mean?
    <%geohot> its my bb exploit for safekeeping
    <%Par4doX> geohot: did you turn that over to the dev team or are you doing something with it?
    <%geohot> my days of turning things over are done
    <%geohot> i hope its different from the one they have
    <%geohot> but they prob already have it
    <%geohot> its the one i orig wanted to release blacksn0w with
    <%Par4doX> it’s still there in the new bb
    <%geohot> yep, just checked
    <%geohot> but then opted to use xemn since it was public
    Oo, it carries over from 05.11 to 05.12?
    <%geohot> why wouldn’t it, apple doesn’t fix things proactivly
    <@MuscleNerd> geohot we prob should figure out a way to know if we have same exploit double blind, otherwise we may release 2 different ones at same time
    <%geohot> any suggestions?
    <@MuscleNerd> not sure how to do that without making it easy to brute force tho
    <%geohot> yea, i salted the hash
    <@MuscleNerd> yeah
    <@MuscleNerd> hmm maybe if we both hash the stack dump
    <@Confucious> Can you two take this out of public sight?
    <@MuscleNerd> the stack itself, not the header before it or the registers after it
    muscle: any notice about the exploits are the same ?
    <%geohot> we are working on it
    <%geohot> cryptography, perfect for people who don’t trust each other
    So take it as you will and share your thoughts. Again, we don't expect much for 3.1.3 (Rumor has it OS 3.2 will drop mid March), but this is good news for those of you in an utterly awful situation if your phone has become more like an really expensive iPod Touch.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband started by nickhesson View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. trinityesq's Avatar
      trinityesq -
      Can't wait for 3.2
    1. pyromcr's Avatar
      pyromcr -
      i dont think that it is worth it to crack 3.1.3. i say wait till the next update or 4.0. but if they really want to then go for it! i dont care!
    1. HITCH's Avatar
      HITCH -
      Epic..
    1. HakoneRider's Avatar
      HakoneRider -
      I don't get why people bash on Geohot so much.. IMO he's the only one thinking ahead, and as far as untethered goes, he claims to have his 3Gs untethered but is obviously saving it for the next Apple hardware update. (Release-wise)
      Baseband unlock is most likely gonna be released along with the upcoming firmware release, 3.1.3 is doubtful, that is tied to the iPad. Geohot has also claimed to have 2 exploits at the baseband level since 5.11.07. That might mean that those holes still exist and hence we'll have unlock for the next two firmware updates
    1. iMack007's Avatar
      iMack007 -
      @ MetallicaFan1991
      Quote" ^Yeh and you lose your free 12 months wifi and internet bolt on which is why I don't pay for an official unlock yet"

      ....depends on where you live and work. O2 may be good in some places, but I live rurally and here in Norfolk/Norwich, the 3G or HSDPA o2 networks are not worth having, even if it's for free!

      I got no good use of it as it was always receiving extremely poor download speeds over 3G, even less than 56kbps!
      That said, it's no wonder this service is offered by o2, as only City dwellers areist likely to benefit.

      Had it on my pay as you go 3G and 3GS. Waste of time.

      Got it officially unlocked and after trying several network providers, have settled with Tesco who ironically use o2's network!?!? But I now only use wifi for mainstream surfing/downloading and only use my crappy 3G connection or 2G to receive my push email notifications and receive email. This now works well for me.

      So I suppose it comes down to personal preferances and or needs.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by pyromcr View Post
      i dont think that it is worth it to crack 3.1.3. i say wait till the next update or 4.0. but if they really want to then go for it! i dont care!
      Luckily some people do care.

      Quote Originally Posted by HakoneRider View Post
      he claims to have his 3Gs untethered but is obviously saving it for the next Apple hardware update. (Release-wise)
      He has an untethered 3GS because he doesn't have the new iBoot.
    1. Effenpig!'s Avatar
      Effenpig! -
      Quote Originally Posted by camperchuck View Post
      you are an arsehole and an idoit on top of that. idk what the big issue is. i updated, so what? im jailbroken and i can tether. whooopdee dooo. get a life douche bag.
      Is that irony when you call somebody an "idoit"?
    1. JiGSaW918's Avatar
      JiGSaW918 -
      stop with this nonsensical trash talking! can someone tell me if this means they are working on an unlock for iPhone 3G 3.1.3 baseband 5.12.01 with bootloader 05.09? It's jailbroken already just not unlocked for T-Mobile yet...
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      Quote Originally Posted by JiGSaW918 View Post
      stop with this nonsensical trash talking! can someone tell me if this means they are working on an unlock for iPhone 3G 3.1.3 baseband 5.12.01 with bootloader 05.09? It's jailbroken already just not unlocked for T-Mobile yet...
      Really? REALLY?? You updated your phone after the hundreds of warnings scattered all over the internet advising you to NOT update your phone ESPECIALLY if you rely on an unlock????

      Quote Originally Posted by camperchuck View Post
      im jailbroken and i can tether.
      You haven't the slightest idea what I'm talking about, do you?
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      what name does geohot post under in mmi forums?
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      Quote Originally Posted by andyharp View Post
      Some people were forced to upgrade to 3.1.3. They maybe had a bad install or bad crash and phone is stuck in dfu then they had to go with official 3.1.3 to restore to at least get a working phone.
      As long as he/she was on 3.1.2 when the phone "crashed" there is absolutely no reason why an update to 3.1.3 was more necessary than a restore to stock 3.1.2.
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      true, I guess panic took over.
      I like the politically correct he/she. nice
      be better if stuck do the double restore then try to kick it out with blackra1n or pawn22.

      quickpwn22 is what I meant
    1. HakoneRider's Avatar
      HakoneRider -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post

      He has an untethered 3GS because he doesn't have the new iBoot.
      It's ipt3

      Twitter / George Hotz: @itethered eh, one of thes ...
    1. hihm7000's Avatar
      hihm7000 -
      Quote Originally Posted by mavrik101 View Post
      I don't know why anyone would bash either Geohot or the Dev team. Just respect the time and effort they put into helping YOU jailbreak and/or unlock. Don't like em? Don't use their product. I mean, they give it to you for FREE. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything!

      Geohot, love and respect all your work.
      Dev Team, same to you.

      Thanks for the jailbreaks and unlocks, past and future!



      This is the right things


      thanx man >>
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by HakoneRider View Post
      That's his iPod Touch 3 - what's that got to do with his 3Gs?
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      BB can't be downgraded and you can't unlock it.
      But you really shouldn't put your email address in a post!
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      You will have to wait awhile before a new unlock comes out.
    1. nicoand's Avatar
      nicoand -
      unlock in june we hope
    1. chevy7298's Avatar
      chevy7298 -
      question! I updated to my 3g to 3.1.3 and was able to jailbreak with PWNTOOL. However, obviously my baseband was updated to the 5.12.01 and I locked my phone.... SO question is... since it is already jailbroken, will i just have to unlock it and there will be no problems? Kind of like the update with ultrasn0w???

      Thanks