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  • GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband


    Well folks, we're almost there. In the very near future, baseband 05.12.01 could be unlockable for those of us unfortunate enough to be stuck in this position. Now it doesn't necessarily mean 3.1.3 will be worked on, but its good news none the less for those unfortunate users, and for the possibility of a group effort for the next unlock between GeoHot and the DevTeam. Discussed in an IRC channel, GeoHot and the DevTeam's MuscleNerd, share some thoughts on the exploits they have found, and by the looks of things, might actually team up to dish out an ultimate serving of Jailbreaking goodness.

    GeoHot explains that there is an exploit that he had previously discovered and wanted to use with the release of blacksn0w, which has now found to still exist in 3.1.3. He goes on to discuss how he had originally wanted to implement this exploit in blacksn0w but opted to go with an open source route, which makes sense to keep things slightly on the downlow.

    It sounds as though GeoHot and MuscleNerd (Dev Team) may possibly be working on the same exploit, and if that's the case, it would be incredibly logical for them to team up rather than releasing two different exploits, which in the end could just cause more greif when upgrading in the future.

    Here is the excerpt posted by @visnet's twitter that is going around from the IRC Channel.

    What does geohot tweet mean?
    <%geohot> its my bb exploit for safekeeping
    <%Par4doX> geohot: did you turn that over to the dev team or are you doing something with it?
    <%geohot> my days of turning things over are done
    <%geohot> i hope its different from the one they have
    <%geohot> but they prob already have it
    <%geohot> its the one i orig wanted to release blacksn0w with
    <%Par4doX> it’s still there in the new bb
    <%geohot> yep, just checked
    <%geohot> but then opted to use xemn since it was public
    Oo, it carries over from 05.11 to 05.12?
    <%geohot> why wouldn’t it, apple doesn’t fix things proactivly
    <@MuscleNerd> geohot we prob should figure out a way to know if we have same exploit double blind, otherwise we may release 2 different ones at same time
    <%geohot> any suggestions?
    <@MuscleNerd> not sure how to do that without making it easy to brute force tho
    <%geohot> yea, i salted the hash
    <@MuscleNerd> yeah
    <@MuscleNerd> hmm maybe if we both hash the stack dump
    <@Confucious> Can you two take this out of public sight?
    <@MuscleNerd> the stack itself, not the header before it or the registers after it
    muscle: any notice about the exploits are the same ?
    <%geohot> we are working on it
    <%geohot> cryptography, perfect for people who don’t trust each other
    So take it as you will and share your thoughts. Again, we don't expect much for 3.1.3 (Rumor has it OS 3.2 will drop mid March), but this is good news for those of you in an utterly awful situation if your phone has become more like an really expensive iPod Touch.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: GeoHot and DevTeam Discuss Exploits for New Baseband started by nickhesson View original post
    Comments 151 Comments
    1. PhoneLine's Avatar
      PhoneLine -
      I was sorta hoping we'd see a blacksn0w update for the 5.11.x baseband which works on the 3.1.3 firmware, that way at least folks could update (preserve the old baseband) and still unlock.

      Perhaps its more work then I think (since I have no idea) but don't think that would give apple anything, since its not the baseband but the commcenter thats preventing it from working?

      I'm on AT&T anyway, so updated my 3GS via snow as the unlock is not needed, plus have my old 3G still which I keep unlocked as a backup or if I need an unlocked phone.
    1. angiepangie's Avatar
      angiepangie -
      3.1.3 is an insignificant update anyways.
      Why update?
    1. Armored's Avatar
      Armored -
      Quote Originally Posted by €hR!$ View Post
      I'm really sorry, but Hotz's pic scares me.
      No kidding! that's the only bad thing about geohot's stuff. ugh! what's with the iPhone halo?
    1. mikerlx's Avatar
      mikerlx -
      We owe respect to geohot cuz unlocking and efforts for time and energy for each update has got to be mind-boggling
    1. PhoneLine's Avatar
      PhoneLine -
      Quote Originally Posted by angiepangie View Post
      3.1.3 is an insignificant update anyways.
      Why update?
      I'm guilty of being one of those people who likes to have the latest version. Its my sickness...lol. But I do know to do my homework. I would never do it if I depended on the unlock.

      Thats why I have a 3G sitting at fw 3.1.2 which is blacksn0wed, in case its ever needed.

      Plus, got 3.0, 3.1 and 3.1.2 SHSH's on file for the 3GS, so always could downgrade it if ever needed. And actually have a 2G phone in a drawer someplace with 2.2.1 on it still I think.
    1. mavrik101's Avatar
      mavrik101 -
      I don't know why anyone would bash either Geohot or the Dev team. Just respect the time and effort they put into helping YOU jailbreak and/or unlock. Don't like em? Don't use their product. I mean, they give it to you for FREE. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything!

      Geohot, love and respect all your work.
      Dev Team, same to you.

      Thanks for the jailbreaks and unlocks, past and future!
    1. mikerlx's Avatar
      mikerlx -
      I would like to add that I was also one of those that wanted the latest fw update regardless if it was significant or not until I understood Why? I was needing this update. I think in reality 3.0 or 3.0.1 were the only firmware that made sense to update too. The best fw update was 2.2.1 and I had no battery drain either.
    1. angiepangie's Avatar
      angiepangie -
      the 2.2.1 update had absolutely no features and was put out for the sole purpose of killing yellowsn0w.
      In other words, it was pretty much exactly like 2.2
    1. ifonemaniac's Avatar
      ifonemaniac -
      *YAWWNNN* wake me up when the 4G jb/unlock is released..k thx..
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by RossMc View Post
      Im glad I have got my 3GS Officially Unlocked now and don't have to worry about all this anymore
      How did you get your 3GS officially unlocked???
    1. nicoand's Avatar
      nicoand -
      he most probably has a factory unlock which is good so when the jailbreak comes he can put cydia back on
    1. yazzid's Avatar
      yazzid -
      wtf with unlocking..pls do something with later 3gs jailbreak..
    1. iLaw-One's Avatar
      iLaw-One -
      Dev and geohot teaming up?
      wow. Never thought I'd see that happen....the one thing it'll do is make one big happy community devoid of division...I for one have ONLY always used Dev's releases. If they decide to team up, all the better as 'two good heads are better than one'.....
    1. iMack007's Avatar
      iMack007 -
      @ hollow0:

      if you live in the UK and have an o2 iPhone on pay as you go, you can pay £15 to have your phone officially unlocked. It takes about 2 weeks for them to clear it with Apple, who then give you the unlock over the air via iTunes.

      Got my heads up from Confuscious....cheers mate :P
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      ^Yeh and you lose your free 12 months wifi and internet bolt on which is why I don't pay for an official unlock yet.

      I need a jailbreak, I've been stuck on 3.1.3 for weeks now.
      P.S I didn't upgrade because I'm a noob, I had to as my iPhone was causing problems.
      Can I downgrade to 3.1 and 3.1.1 though? The SHSH things are saved on Sauriks server.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      The Dev Team won't 'team up' with Geo but that does not mean they don't talk. I have great respect for both - I just wish they wouldn't talk in public!
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by iMack007 View Post
      @ hollow0:

      if you live in the UK and have an o2 iPhone on pay as you go, you can pay £15 to have your phone officially unlocked. It takes about 2 weeks for them to clear it with Apple, who then give you the unlock over the air via iTunes.

      Got my heads up from Confuscious....cheers mate :P
      dannngggg are you serious??? man i wish i could do that!
    1. wezz69's Avatar
      wezz69 -
      The point is, Geo just might not have the skills to bring out an untethered jailbreak for 3gs 3.1.2=/>!! Think about it, its been a good few months since blackra1n was released, if it was possible to have a untethered jailbreak, then it would have been out well before now!!... IT JUST CANT BE DONE... thats why hes waiting for the new 3.2 and 4G iphone to see if apple have let him find an untethered jailbreak, if they havent then people like me (and there are literally 1000s) will be stuck in this shithole of untethered darkness... i jailbroke my 3gs 3.1.2 OTB the day the jailbreak was released, and here i am stuck!! the iphone battery is crap, and i have to keep looking at my iphone just to make sure im near my house or car or im without any means of communication if the battery dies! its like the bleeding dark ages! im gona sell it on ebay and just hope they dont want it jailbrokn, gona upgrade to 3.1.3 first and hope that fixes the stupid tethered crap, then sell it and buy the 3G, i can live without the compass anyways!!
    1. oldabe's Avatar
      oldabe -
      Quote Originally Posted by hollow0 View Post
      dannngggg are you serious??? man i wish i could do that!
      That's right. A number of European countries use the same prinsiper. The customer will pay between £ 15-30 and carrier unlocked your phone through iTunes. Or rather, Apple unlock your device.
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by wezz69 View Post
      The point is, Geo just might not have the skills to bring out an untethered jailbreak for 3gs 3.1.2=/>!! Think about it, its been a good few months since blackra1n was released, if it was possible to have a untethered jailbreak, then it would have been out well before now!!... IT JUST CANT BE DONE... thats why hes waiting for the new 3.2 and 4G iphone to see if apple have let him find an untethered jailbreak, if they havent then people like me (and there are literally 1000s) will be stuck in this shithole of untethered darkness... i jailbroke my 3gs 3.1.2 OTB the day the jailbreak was released, and here i am stuck!! the iphone battery is crap, and i have to keep looking at my iphone just to make sure im near my house or car or im without any means of communication if the battery dies! its like the bleeding dark ages! im gona sell it on ebay and just hope they dont want it jailbrokn, gona upgrade to 3.1.3 first and hope that fixes the stupid tethered crap, then sell it and buy the 3G, i can live without the compass anyways!!
      True you can live without the compass but damn that speed will be missed if i was in your shoes. i couldn't possibly downgrade to the slower 3G model.