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  • Adobe Compromise Will Finally Bring Flash Video Streaming to iOS


    Flash has been a thorn in Apple's side ever since the first iPhone shipped almost 4 years ago. While users have grown accustomed to their iOS devices not being able to display Flash content, it's unfortunate that Apple and Adobe have not been able to reach some sort of compromise before now.

    Adobe, however, may have finally come up with a solution to the Flash dilemma once and for all with their latest version of Flash. At the National Association of Broadcasters trade show in Las Vegas, Adobe recently previewed the latest version of Flash that incorporates HTTP live streaming. With this new version of Flash, iOS devices will finally be able to display Flash video without the need to install any additional software on their devices.

    Over the years Apple has been steadfast in their opposition to approving Flash for the iOS. Continually citing concerns over Flash’s poor overall performance and being detrimental to battery life. At one point Apple CEO Steve Jobs even went so far as to post an open letter on the company website defending their position regarding Flash on iOS devices entitled, Thoughts on Flash.

    Adobe's latest vision, however, is designed to help content publishers stream protected video to more types of mobile devices including Apple's iPad 2. This new streaming technology is being built into Adobe's Media Server and will allow a much wider variety of devices access to Flash video content. Their solution is designed to be transparent to the end user and will not require any additional software to be downloaded as well.

    According to Adobe’s company blog, “(HTTP Live Streaming) HLS is an MPEG2 transport stream (container) used by devices such as the Apple iPad 2. By adding support for HLS within the Flash Media Server, Adobe is reducing the publishing complexity for broadcasters who need to reach browsers supporting HLS through HTML5 (such as Safari) or devices where Adobe Flash is not installed.”

    For the average user, the details of this plan to get Flash video to more devices is a bit technical, however, in the not too distant future, Flash required warnings will be a thing of the past. If your device doesn’t have Flash installed on it, no problem, the server will send you the video in a format that your device is capable of displaying. It’s unclear just how long it will take Adobe to implement this across the board, but at least a solution to the Flash problem is finally on its way.

    Source: Adobe
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Adobe Compromise Will Finally Bring Flash Video Streaming to iOS started by Wiley John Wright View original post
    Comments 86 Comments
    1. bonum83's Avatar
      bonum83 -
      Quote Originally Posted by rickuk View Post
      Silly Apple, I'm so fed up with no flash on my iPhone that my next phone will be an Android. Ditto for iPad, won't be getting one, got myself an Andorid tablet instead which allows me to view the whole web not just the bits that Apple want me to see

      Two lost sales for Apple
      Your right about one thing! Two lost sales for apple, but 2 million more new sales!
    1. mik3y08's Avatar
      mik3y08 -
      To many of you complaining are spoiled. Guess what we are on the fourth generation of iphones almost fifth, you knew by now there is no flash. You dont always get it your way, if you dont like it there is options. Welcome to the real world where your not in control, apple is.
    1. LSZ33's Avatar
      LSZ33 -
      the flash debacle has now become a mute point. Apple has forced a lot of popular sites on the WWW to change in order to make their content iDevice compatible. If I want to see a flash site, i'll just do so on my 17" MBP. No biggie. However, I do agree with those in favor of THE OPTION to view flash enabled sites on our idevices.

      Steve Jobs did a good job of explaining their reasons for not supporting flash.
    1. TheDirtyDiddler's Avatar
      TheDirtyDiddler -
      Quote Originally Posted by mik3y08 View Post
      Bahaha lol at the comment about apple being able to decide what can be viewed on HIS ios device. I mean hell who is apple to tell me I can't run OSX on my iphone 4, its just rediculous huh?

      BTW i have not logged on this site in a VERY long time, but the stupidity of your post forced me to do so.
      It's spelled 'ridiculous'. Now what were you saying about that other guy being stupid?
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      A PC that does 1000 more things a Mac can do and an Android phone which is so user friendly if you use it for a week you'll realise how good it is and you wont go back to the iPhone with its limits.
      Good point. PCs can do Blue Screens of Death unlike Macs. Stop with your fanboyism. I have both and use both.

      I'm curious about the results of this compromise.
    1. Stray's Avatar
      Stray -
      Isn't this basically what skyfire did?
    1. TheDirtyDiddler's Avatar
      TheDirtyDiddler -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      This just proves Adobe is the big man and crApple are the little girl still crying about Flash.
      Dont you think as its OUR iDEVICE then WE should have the choice to watch flash or not?

      When is crApple going to grow up and realise its OUR DEVICE and let us do WHAT WE WANT with OUR devices?
      I think they will loose as someone else is going to make a better tablet and everyone will buy that instead of the iPad 3 or the iPhone 5/6 coz its so tightly locked and limited and that makes the competition is so appealing.
      crApple will one day say to itself "why didn't we let your customers watch flash on their iDevices?" that'll be the day they stop making devices and the day they loose.

      BUT while there are crApple fanboys wasting their money on their iDevices crApple are still winning. How about you guys get out of your grey houses away from your grey macs and look at what the rest of the world are using. A PC that does 1000 more things a Mac can do and an Android phone which is so user friendly if you use it for a week you'll realise how good it is and you wont go back to the iPhone with its limits.
      Why do you keep calling Apple 'loose'? That's pretty gross. Does that have anything to do with the 'crAp' in 'crApple'?

      Also, Apple doesn't tell people that they can't watch flash on their device. They ship it without the automatic capability to do so because it's what they feel makes a good product, and they have every right to do that. You may WANT to drive your car 200mph, but just because you can't doesn't mean the manufacturer is telling you you can't. It's because they chose to make it that way based on what they feel are necessary functions or not. If you really want that feature, mod it, or buy something else. Plain and simple. Or you can complain 300 times on a board for a company that you apparently don't like, but oddly devote a large portion of your time to.
    1. mik3y08's Avatar
      mik3y08 -
      Edited because it's not worth arguing over. My apologies.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Am I going to have to make other "vs" thread in chit chat for you two? Calm down.
    1. orozcoj4's Avatar
      orozcoj4 -
      Flash is a battery killer on mobile devices. That is Steve Jobs problem with Flash. Ask someone with an Android device how much battery life they get with access to the " whole" Internet.
    1. ssfirme's Avatar
      ssfirme -
      Flash is what the iphone and ipad need,html sucks
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      I have tried wired and wireless. I also reduced rate. I have a great connection and it works fine from other devices. It works fine if I reset the system but after an episode or two it will start stuttering again. Its super annoying
      I'm having issues with mine as well. Halfway through an episode it'll just sit and buffer forever even though the connection is great.

      I've run flash on Android, it's not that great...caused more problems for the phone.

      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      This just proves Adobe is the big man and crApple are the little girl still crying about Flash.
      Dont you think as its OUR iDEVICE then WE should have the choice to watch flash or not?

      When is crApple going to grow up and realise its OUR DEVICE and let us do WHAT WE WANT with OUR devices?
      I think they will loose as someone else is going to make a better tablet and everyone will buy that instead of the iPad 3 or the iPhone 5/6 coz its so tightly locked and limited and that makes the competition is so appealing.
      crApple will one day say to itself "why didn't we let your customers watch flash on their iDevices?" that'll be the day they stop making devices and the day they loose.

      BUT while there are crApple fanboys wasting their money on their iDevices crApple are still winning. How about you guys get out of your grey houses away from your grey macs and look at what the rest of the world are using. A PC that does 1000 more things a Mac can do and an Android phone which is so user friendly if you use it for a week you'll realise how good it is and you wont go back to the iPhone with its limits.
      Lol! What a hypocritical post! I see all the Apple devices you have yet you want everyone to use what the rest of the world does (PC)..???? Hmmmmm!
    1. ty22's Avatar
      ty22 -
      Quote Originally Posted by orozcoj4 View Post
      Flash is a battery killer on mobile devices. That is Steve Jobs problem with Flash. Ask someone with an Android device how much battery life they get with access to the " whole" Internet.
      Close to 36 hours, with a 4G radio on too, thank you for asking. This "compromise" is still half-assed. I can't wait for the toshiba tablet to come out so I can dump my iPad.
    1. 57mark's Avatar
      57mark -
      Errrggg, I feel like most of the flash on websites is advertisements, which I can't stand. Which is why I love my iPhone and have to use AdBlock on my PC...

      I hope this can be enabled/disabled, because I like the option but I don't like the idea of webpages loading slower trying to convert advertisements into flash.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      I'm having issues with mine as well. Halfway through an episode it'll just sit and buffer forever even though the connection is great.

      I've run flash on Android, it's not that great...caused more problems for the phone.


      Lol! What a hypocritical post! I see all the Apple devices you have yet you want everyone to use what the rest of the world does (PC)..???? Hmmmmm!
      I dont know what the problem is but its annoying. Just started happening.
    1. skizo's Avatar
      skizo -
      Quote Originally Posted by Wiley John Wright View Post


      Flash has been a thorn in Apple's side ever since the first iPhone shipped almost 4 years ago. While users have grown accustomed to their iOS devices not being able to display Flash content, it's unfortunate that Apple and Adobe have not been able to reach some sort of compromise before now.

      Adobe, however, may have finally come up with a solution to the Flash dilemma once and for all with their latest version of Flash. At the National Association of Broadcasters trade show in Las Vegas, Adobe recently previewed the latest version of Flash that incorporates HTTP live streaming. With this new version of Flash, iOS devices will finally be able to display Flash video without the need to install any additional software on their devices.

      Over the years Apple has been steadfast in their opposition to approving Flash for the iOS. Continually citing concerns over Flash’s poor overall performance and being detrimental to battery life. At one point Apple CEO Steve Jobs even went so far as to post an open letter on the company website defending their position regarding Flash on iOS devices entitled, Thoughts on Flash.

      Adobe's latest vision, however, is designed to help content publishers stream protected video to more types of mobile devices including Apple's iPad 2. This new streaming technology is being built into Adobe's Media Server and will allow a much wider variety of devices access to Flash video content. Their solution is designed to be transparent to the end user and will not require any additional software to be downloaded as well.

      According to Adobe’s company blog, “(HTTP Live Streaming) HLS is an MPEG2 transport stream (container) used by devices such as the Apple iPad 2. By adding support for HLS within the Flash Media Server, Adobe is reducing the publishing complexity for broadcasters who need to reach browsers supporting HLS through HTML5 (such as Safari) or devices where Adobe Flash is not installed.”

      For the average user, the details of this plan to get Flash video to more devices is a bit technical, however, in the not too distant future, Flash required warnings will be a thing of the past. If your device doesn’t have Flash installed on it, no problem, the server will send you the video in a format that your device is capable of displaying. It’s unclear just how long it will take Adobe to implement this across the board, but at least a solution to the Flash problem is finally on its way.

      Source: Adobe
    1. GellBrake'rrrr's Avatar
      GellBrake'rrrr -
      Quote Originally Posted by STRAYunINFIDEL View Post
      Isn't this basically what skyfire did?
      That's exactly what I was thinking.
    1. XiOS's Avatar
      XiOS -
      Quote Originally Posted by sircrazy View Post
      The main issue with this is it does not "give us flash". It merely beats around the bush and formats the video so we can view it. I do not see how this will help with flash based sites such as grooveshark. Youtube already converts most videos so that they can be viewed on the idevice without flash
      Totally agree! They are just mimicking what YouTube already thought of. This in no way shape or form brings flash to the iDevice.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      lmao at all the windows and android fanbois here.
    1. Megaorange's Avatar
      Megaorange -
      I hate fanboys. Why does one have to be better than the other. What does better really mean? It means nothing. It's just a way for us to express our opinion on what you have preference for. If I have Windows and use an iDevice should I die. Each have their PRO and CON so get over your selves.