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  • Apple Abandons Adobe so Adobe Abandons Apple



    In case you haven't run the numbers yet, there's a better chance that you'll hit the lottery, get hit by lightning, and then hit the lottery again before you'll ever see Apple openly embrace Flash for the iPhone. And now, as a result of Apple consistently giving up on Adobe, the folks at Adobe are finally getting with the program and equally giving up on Apple.

    Thanks to Apple's recently revised developer agreement - which, for Adobe, may have been the last straw - Adobe has announced the immediate end to the development of technology that would let Flash applications be ported natively to Apple devices. Infuriating Adobe, naturally, is the belief that Apple's revised developer agreement singles out Adobe and legions of developers who are actively seeking or planning to port software from Flash to the iPhone or iPad.

    Adobe Flash project manager Mike Chambers put it this way on his blog: "As developers for the iPhone have learned, if you want to develop for the iPhone you have to be prepared for Apple to reject or restrict your development at anytime, and for seemingly any reason." Chambers' suspicions are likely correct, as Steve Jobs himself made it clear recently that he continues to believe that making Flash work for the iPhone would engender "sub-standard apps" that would ultimately "hinder the progress of the platform."

    Adobe is finally aiming to wash its hands of Apple, a likely first major step before a potential lawsuit is filed against the folks in Cupertino. Last week, rumblings surfaced that Adobe was getting its legal ducks in a row to proceed with what some believe could be a substantial antitrust case against Apple. Of course, no one but the people at Adobe know for sure if such a plan is on the horizon. But we will likely find out for ourselves sooner rather than later.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Abandons Adobe so Adobe Abandons Apple started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 81 Comments
    1. eg6motion's Avatar
      eg6motion -
      Flash would be nice to have, but honestly, most of Adobe's products are bloated and wasteful of resources. They remind me of Vista. At least from an IT perspective. I get sick of having to repair their software, upgrade pc's or downgrade to older versions of their software because it's half-assed. Flash is no different. Sometimes it's good, but for what it is, it's a resource hog. I am ready to see it go, it's time for something more streamlined than what they have been offering.
    1. Count Tracula's Avatar
      Count Tracula -
      @relentlessdan

      God loves me, but i dont use my iphone and say to myself...'if i only had flash my life would be complete'. I personally dont miss it.
    1. finalfantasy_lkta's Avatar
      finalfantasy_lkta -
      Yo guys, how about a couple few more months and flash will disappear from Macs products. It might or might not happen,since adobe will lost some profits as well, but for those guys out there that say flash sucks, it'll be a major hit since tons and tons of website are currently uses flash.
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      I havent used flash on my Mac in months. If Adobe pulled out from Apple completely I wouldnt miss them.

      Funny how most of you that want flash have Windows based PC's (According to the info right of your username)

      @riku98523
      Mac dont suck are running flash, flash simply hasnt been developed well for OSX at all. Its not much better on Windows either.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Correction, tons of horrible websites still use flash and smart companies are moving away from it.

      I hope adobe burns down to the ground. How they've managed to stay afloat with the most bloated software in existence surprises me to this day.

      Apple is 100% in the right here. Adobe has never taken The Mac platform seriously, so why should apple put up with it?

      And for whoever said it's macs that can't run flash, guess why that is. Hint: adobe is the one "coding" it.
    1. TheOrioles33's Avatar
      TheOrioles33 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Count Tracula View Post
      Why are ppl so in love with flash?
      Because people feel the need to be able to watch Family Guy no matter where they are.

      If this isnt the reason then please tell me why Flash is so "vital" that it needs to be on a mobile device.

      Having Flash on Android or any mobile platform would just be a bragging right so everyone can say they have it.
    1. Conas's Avatar
      Conas -
      Let's just all abandon Flash and hop on the HTML 5 train! I think Apple would be OK with Flash if there was a way to regulate all the Flash sites we visit. If I use my 3G to play "Bloons Tower Defense" (on a website, not the app) and near the end of the game, when there are tons of enemies, my iPhone performs poorly, it looks bad at Apple's behalf. Also, there are security issues. Flash can have access to webcams. Mr. Hacker in Russia might be able to access my iPhone's camera. Spying on me. That it is very hypothetical, but not entirely fictional. I trust Apple, and if they say No to Flash then I say "I bet you're on to something". HTML 5 isn't exactly the answer, but maybe future languages will suit Apple's wants.

      As far as 'sub standard' apps go.. Check out Droid's market. Less apps, yet more BS.
    1. politicalslug's Avatar
      politicalslug -
      There will be no law suit. I've said it before, I'll say it again. There is no case. Adobe, quite stupidly, took the risk of heavily investing resources in a product they knew quite well wouldn't be allowed to work on Apple's mobile products. There's nothing illegal there, just bad business decisions on Adobe's part. All this talk about antitrust suits is nonsense. The iPhone isn't an island. It's a smartphone, and while it's popular, it holds far less than half the smartphone market, which itself is a tiny fraction of the overall cellphone market. I can think of only one player in the cellphone market who could be involved in an antitrust lawsuit, and that would be Nokia. Of course, no one is going to sue Nokia for anything other than locking companies out of the cell market altogether (which is why Apple is suing them for unfair licensing of GSM patents). The only market where Apple could ever be sued for antitrust violations is the mp3 market, where they dominate, but the iPod Touch is just a tiny fraction of that market so it's still not applicable.

      NO LAWSUIT. You can't file antitrust suits because a company doesn't allow you to develop for their niche product in their niche of a niche market. That's crazy.
    1. knguyen's Avatar
      knguyen -
      Wow. half of you guys just want Flash for your enjoyment but don't even realize how bad Flash is and what it does your your devices, even computers. Flash is a ****** plugin. Apple is protecting their products which in the long run will save them a lot of money when people starts to return their phones and pads and pods because their CPUs are fried from playing too much Farmville.
    1. iPhone3G[S]'s Avatar
      iPhone3G[S] -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ozziwald View Post
      I hope Adobe sues the **** out of Apple. I am sick of Steve Jobs telling us what we can or can't run on OUR devices.
      Buy an android phone... Steve Jobs didn't tell you to buy an iPhone now did he.

      Quote Originally Posted by Luppin View Post
      Sub-standard apps? Oh you mean like basically half the entire app store?
      Give me a break.
      As of April 8, 2010, there are at least 185,000 third-party applications officially available on the App Store, with over 4 billion total downloads.
      So, that is 92,500 apps that are worth while. Even if they were all $0.99 each, no one in their right mind would download them all. They wouldn't fit on the device either.

      The most worthless app on their, the fart app, which has been a top selling app for a long time now.

      Your definition of worthless app, along with mine, must be invalid.

      Quote Originally Posted by riku98523 View Post
      Flash doesn't suck macs suck at running flash.
      Go look at the Firefox crash reports, try to count the ones caused by Flash.

      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Correction, tons of horrible websites still use flash and smart companies are moving away from it.

      I hope adobe burns down to the ground. How they've managed to stay afloat with the most bloated software in existence surprises me to this day.

      Apple is 100% in the right here. Adobe has never taken The Mac platform seriously, so why should apple put up with it?

      And for whoever said it's macs that can't run flash, guess why that is. Hint: adobe is the one "coding" it.
      +1
      Did I ever tell you that you are my favorite mod?
    1. ikesmasher's Avatar
      ikesmasher -
      finally. now every stop whining about flash on iphone. get over it.
    1. TwinSouls's Avatar
      TwinSouls -
      Im a noob here so if someone can enlighten me on what Youtube videos is run on.This is niether in defence of or offence to flash.Its just a question.
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Just give in and give us and and adobe what we want
    1. iPhone3G[S]'s Avatar
      iPhone3G[S] -
      Quote Originally Posted by TwinSouls View Post
      Im a noob here so if someone can enlighten me on what Youtube videos is run on.This is niether in defence of or offence to flash.Its just a question.
      They are MP4 files run thru a flash player.

      --edit--

      They are FLV, but that is just an MP4 in a wrapper, youtube on our phones removes the wrapper and plays the MP4...

      Pretty sure that is how works. Could be wrong.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      YouTube videos play in a number of formats depending on where you watch them. They used to be all flash but switched their containers to .mp4 and transcode them to whatever format is needed. Even on yoututbe.com you can now choose the front-end: flash or html5

      B-b-b-b-beaten to the explanation
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Correction, tons of horrible websites still use flash and smart companies are moving away from it.

      I hope adobe burns down to the ground. How they've managed to stay afloat with the most bloated software in existence surprises me to this day.

      Apple is 100% in the right here. Adobe has never taken The Mac platform seriously, so why should apple put up with it?

      And for whoever said it's macs that can't run flash, guess why that is. Hint: adobe is the one "coding" it.
      Pretty much the same situation as to why iTunes runs like crap on Windows. Apple codes it.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Also, to those begging for flash, you guys do realize how bad adobe has been with macs, right? I'm no software engineer, but this guy is:

      16 month-old bug continues to crash Flash - The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW)

      over a YEAR of someone trying to get a bug fixed. I'm not even sure they've addressed/fixed it yet.

      iTunes on Windows has gotten considerably better though, CaptainChaos. Personally, I've never had issues with it on Windows and it even took over Foobar (which I spent weeks configuring and making it awesome) as my primary media player.

      It pales in comparisson to it's mac counterpart maybe, but apple isn't taking the bare minimum effort approach adobe has taken for years.
    1. cirni's Avatar
      cirni -
      Quote Originally Posted by ty22 View Post
      Face it, Flash does suck, but there is no reason for this.
      I think there is, flash performes incredibly weak on today's mac hardware, I mean I watch a flash-based simpsons cartoon and the cpu-fan is spinning up like crazy? I'm doing audio and video editing and the cpu cares less than on the simspons!? what the hell?
      I don't know, but I think flash would have found it's way on the iPhone/iPad if it wasn't eating cpu and battery like crazy.
      If I was Steve Jobs and I had to choose over complaining customers about missing flash or complaining costumers about your products don't exeed 0.5h battery life because of flash..
      you do the math

      Adobe should come up with a flash version that's less resource-hungry to mac hard/software. funny how the same simpsons movie doesn't bother the same macbook fan when it's running on bootcamp! hellooo??
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      Quote Originally Posted by riku98523 View Post
      Flash doesn't suck macs suck at running flash.
      No they don't.... I play farmville and petville all of the time... LOLOLOLOL

      Edit: I just had to say this!
    1. vantheman169's Avatar
      vantheman169 -
      For those of you that say flash sux. Check out these websites:

      Top 10 Best Flash Websites of 2010

      I have heard that macs suck at running flash but i have a macbook pro and i cant tell any difference from my crappy HP laptop i used to have.

      I am even tethering with my iphone right now and it loads all of these flash sites fairly fast.

      Come on Adobe turn to the jailbreak society i am sure Cydia and Rock would love to have Flash, i know alot of us would too!