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  • Apple Abandons Adobe so Adobe Abandons Apple

    In case you haven't run the numbers yet, there's a better chance that you'll hit the lottery, get hit by lightning, and then hit the lottery again before you'll ever see Apple openly embrace Flash for the iPhone. And now, as a result of Apple consistently giving up on Adobe, the folks at Adobe are finally getting with the program and equally giving up on Apple.

    Thanks to Apple's recently revised developer agreement - which, for Adobe, may have been the last straw - Adobe has announced the immediate end to the development of technology that would let Flash applications be ported natively to Apple devices. Infuriating Adobe, naturally, is the belief that Apple's revised developer agreement singles out Adobe and legions of developers who are actively seeking or planning to port software from Flash to the iPhone or iPad.

    Adobe Flash project manager Mike Chambers put it this way on his blog: "As developers for the iPhone have learned, if you want to develop for the iPhone you have to be prepared for Apple to reject or restrict your development at anytime, and for seemingly any reason." Chambers' suspicions are likely correct, as Steve Jobs himself made it clear recently that he continues to believe that making Flash work for the iPhone would engender "sub-standard apps" that would ultimately "hinder the progress of the platform."

    Adobe is finally aiming to wash its hands of Apple, a likely first major step before a potential lawsuit is filed against the folks in Cupertino. Last week, rumblings surfaced that Adobe was getting its legal ducks in a row to proceed with what some believe could be a substantial antitrust case against Apple. Of course, no one but the people at Adobe know for sure if such a plan is on the horizon. But we will likely find out for ourselves sooner rather than later.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Abandons Adobe so Adobe Abandons Apple started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 81 Comments
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Yeh if I was Apple, I'd tell Adobe to get lost seeing how badly coded Flash is on Mac so I wouldn't let them near my iPhone but I still want the full web and HTML5 is just not as popular yet, maybe in a few years but I doubt Flash will ever die as it runs awesome on PC and most of the world uses Windows.
      If I want Flash, I'll get a Nexus One
      Yes Safari with Flash and Norton are two of the most crappy programs that crash my MBP
    1. FlexSurferOne's Avatar
      FlexSurferOne -
      Cross-platform development will not work well with iPhone OS multitasking feature ,and the App Store will filled with crap applications.

      Do you believe that Steve Jobs just decided to stop supporting flash just for nothing? I don't think so. He's not the type to risk loosing potential profit that comes from filling the App Store with flash applications unless there is a more valid reason that brings more money to Apple which happens in this case an intangible gain in the form of reputation of best user experience that the consumer can get from an electronic device.
    1. candyman17's Avatar
      candyman17 -
      He's the best counter to no Adobe Flash on iPhone....Make ALL adobe products windows based ONLY. No flash, NO PHOTOSHOP. Yeah Apple could attempt to create new software to mimic all the industry standard software but there are so many patents that it would be decades and tons of $$$$$$to fight the law suits and create an Apple Branded program.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Adobe should give up on Apple all together, stop supporting the CS suites for Apple. Develope a PC hardware designed for their software so it can run better than Mac. When Apple try to develope replacement program there is no doubt they will copy many Adobe stuff, Adobe then file injunction on sale of the product and drag the lawsuit as long as possible so people move back to PC. Adobe can help Apple to get to where it is now, it can also hurt Apple.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Also, to those begging for flash, you guys do realize how bad adobe has been with macs, right?

      sounds like a problem with apple to me. good 'old PC's been runnin' this **** just fine.

      i'm still waiting of Chrome OS personally.
    1. M4tt Dam0n's Avatar
      M4tt Dam0n -
      Guess youporn on iphone is a lost dream
    1. Comedy's Avatar
      Comedy -
      Unless Apple unbundle their standard apps like Safari and allow them to be updated through the App Store it really isn't practical to have flash on the iPhone.

      Here's a list of flash bugs that required a new release so far in 2010. If this was on the iPhone each would have needed a new firmware release and any that allow code execution would have been seriusly troubling to anyone owning an iPhone.

      Adobe Flash Player and AIR (CVE-2010-0187) Unspecified Denial of Service Vulnerability
      Multiple Adobe Products Unspecified Cross Domain Scripting Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player Local File Access Information Disclosure Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player SWF Version Null Pointer Dereference Denial of Service Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR URI Parsing Heap Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR Multiple Unspecified Remote Code Execution Vulnerabilities
      Adobe Flash Player ActiveX Control Information Disclosure Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR JPEG File Parsing Heap Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR (CVE-2009-3797) Unspecified Memory Corruption Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR 'exception_count' Integer Overflow Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR Data Injection Remote Code Execution Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player and AIR (CVE-2009-3798) Unspecified Memory Corruption Vulnerability
      Adobe Flash Player SWF File Denial of Service Vulnerability
    1. firedog341's Avatar
      firedog341 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Luppin View Post
      Sub-standard apps? Oh you mean like basically half the entire app store?
      Give me a break.
      + 1

      I guess we won't be getting any flash versions of the "fart" app.
    1. VampireV's Avatar
      VampireV -
      basically means developers have got to put in the extra few hours to create i phone friendly parts of their sites too
    1. chrisrotolo's Avatar
      chrisrotolo -
      Yeah a few of those Adobe devs must have some kind of working Flash project for the iphone by now. I'll bet more then a few of them also have jailbroken iPhones. Just let it go to Cydia, but they probably want to see if they can make a deal for a few million first.

      Full Internet... audio and video streaming web, someday on the iphone? why not?
    1. thinknoffcenter's Avatar
      thinknoffcenter -
      they should just make flash completely incompatible with safari or osx, that would be haligorous!
    1. QWood13's Avatar
      QWood13 -
      Okay, I have something to say. Now, understand that I'm typing on an iPod touch, so my spelling may not be perfecto. Now, for you guys saying that Adobe should pull the plug on Macs, and make Flash PC only, you had me ROLLING ON THE FLOOR, LAUGHING MY @$$ OFF!!! Why in the HELL do you think that Apple invented BootCamp for the Macs??? TO RUN WINDOWS ONLY APPLICATIONS. DUUUUUUUUH!!!! Adobe can TRY that on Apple, but it would most likely hurt THEM MORE THAN IT'D HURT APPLE. Just giving my facts, and if you have a video that won't play on Flash, use YouTube!! If you wanna play a game that requires flash, too goddamn bad!! Get a darn computer. If Adobe wasn't so risky, power consuming, AND MEMORY CONSUMING, Apple would have Flash on the iDevices. Steve Jobs is an intelligent man. He may be onto something. :P
    1. The.Sniper's Avatar
      The.Sniper -
      Gott say. I hate ADOBE's way of thinking I could not be happier.
    1. reanimationxp's Avatar
      reanimationxp -
      If flash were available for jailbreakers, I WOULD NOT f***ing install it.

      All of you would, then complain that you have no battery life and wonder why the hell it's running in the background all the time. Adobe would code it in the s**ttiest way possible, and scrape it off their plate onto your phone. Get a clue.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      sounds like a problem with apple to me. good 'old PC's been runnin' this **** just fine.

      i'm still waiting of Chrome OS personally.

      Quote Originally Posted by thinknoffcenter View Post
      they should just make flash completely incompatible with safari or osx, that would be haligorous!
      It already is
    1. j.castellon's Avatar
      j.castellon -
      The places Apple could go with just flash on there device!
    1. Channan's Avatar
      Channan -
      Well duh! Apple isn't allowing apps to be ported over like that, so why should...would Adobe continue to support that? They'd give developers tools to easily make iPhone apps that would just be rejected by Apple?

      Sorry, but this article is pointless.
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by iPhone3G[S] View Post

      Go look at the Firefox crash reports, try to count the ones caused by Flash.

      And I think I saw news today where firefox is finally seperating the plugins from the browser enviroment to help prevent whole browser crashes when a plugin crashes.

      Quote Originally Posted by M4tt Dam0n View Post
      Guess youporn on iphone is a lost dream
      Check it out, even porn sites made special sites for the iDevices long ago.
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      Adobe wouldn't have been rejected if they weren't coding Flash like crap on Macintosh.
    1. Teoyaomqui's Avatar
      Teoyaomqui -
      I have a Mac Pro and I ONLY RUN VISTA on it. I do not have a problem running Flash only when I go and use Leopard.

      I hope Adobe cancels all support to OSX.