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  • Report Says NFC Technology May Come with iPhone 5 After All


    On Monday, Matt reported that the latest buzz in the world of mobile is that Apple's 5th generation iPhone may not come with Near Field Communication (NFC) technology as initially anticipated. NFC makes mobile payments possible by allowing smartphone users to shop and pay at retail locations using their handset alone and not cash or plastic.

    Late Thursday evening, Forbes blogger Elizabeth Woyke countered the rumors that first surfaced in a report from The Independent. As some will recall, The Independent reported that Apple had begun notifying mobile operators in the UK (where NFC and mobile payments are all the rage) that the iPhone 5 would debut sans NFC. As it turns out, the news came as quite a surprise to Forbes and others in the tech reporting sphere.

    From what I hear, it is possible the iPhone 5 will include NFC. An entrepreneur who is working on a top-secret NFC product told me today that he believes the iPhone 5 will have NFC and cited a friend who works at Apple as a reliable source for the information.
    Let's face it. For months, we've all heard rumblings about NFC coming to the iPhone 5. And with fewer big bells and whistles anticipated this time around, it seems the smartest thing Apple could do with its fifth generation handset would be to groom the product for the future of mobile technology, which is clearly tied to NFC. That's exactly why I'm confident this technology will turn up in the iPhone 5 as well.

    As my colleague Paul pointed out this morning, there's another strong piece of evidence suggesting NFC will find a home in the next-gen iDevice line. We keep hearing that Apple is tinkering with a system that enables users to access and log into a computer using nothing more than an NFC-enabled iPhone. According various published reports, including a recent headline from our friends at Cult of Mac, "the iPhone pairs with the host machine, and loads the user’s files and settings over the net. It’s as though the user is sitting at their own machine at home."

    Without question, the addition of NFC technology on the iPhone 5 and a new remote computing system would truly be an evolutionary step - even for Apple.

    Sources: Forbes, The Independent, Cult of Mac
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Report Says NFC Technology May Come with iPhone 5 After All started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 40 Comments
    1. fbiryujin's Avatar
      fbiryujin -
      In all reality it doesn't matter how secure NFC on your iPhone is, or how safe you keep your credit card. By law it is the financial institution's responsibility for fraud not the consumer's. If NFC was as insecure as an unlocked glass door, then it'd be inconvenient while disputing the charge, but in the end the consumer would still come out with only minimal damage (time spent on the phone reporting, and talking to cops, plus locked funds for a business week)

      I've had a credit card out right stolen (data not physically) and it took all of 3 days to get my money back, plus a new card, plus an apology from my card issuer for the inconvenience. Same would go for NFC.

      The only thing I'm worried about is how Apple will treat JBing once your phone becomes a financial tool. Right now Square/etc are third party so it's up to them to decide if their app will allow itself to run on a JB'd device. Once financial tools are built in by Apple, they may crack down like Sony at a DEFCON
    1. lighter's Avatar
      lighter -
      [QUOTE=fbiryujin;5901737]Are they really going to release the iPhone 5 only a few months after VZW got the iPhone 4? That would be spitting in the face of every person who bought the VZW iPhone.

      Yes Apple would do that... its been proven here in Canada with the iphone 3gs. Multiple carriers got it once their exclusivity ended with Rogers ended ... and all of a sudden they brought out the iPhone 4's... so it happens.. and Apple would not stop their refresh cycle just because Verizon got the i4... maybe their refresh cycle will be different...
    1. jsweeney800's Avatar
      jsweeney800 -
      After you scan your iPhone, it should scan you eye (pupil) using the front camera. That would make it much more secure.
    1. jmaderosk8r's Avatar
      jmaderosk8r -
      Well Verizon users should have known this was going to happen. From what i knew ATT had a 5 yr deal on the iphone that ended in 2012, maybe Apple didnt have to pay the full amt owed to att for releasing the iphone 2 yrs early to verizon with the condition to release it 6 months after ATT had it. This is also why Verizon has the unlimited data right now to entice its customers to upgrade NOW not in a few months when they may get a new phone. OR if Verizon wants to be cool about it they could be like ATT the first time the iphone went from 2g to 3g, if you had the 2g you were able to get the upgrade even if you were only 1 yr or less into your contract. It doesnt make any sense for apple to delay a phone for 6 months just because Verizon just got theirs. On the bright side if you got your Iphone 4 on February then you can get your iphone 6(or whatever it will be called) next year once your elegible for an upgrade.
    1. mvhurlburt's Avatar
      mvhurlburt -
      Quote Originally Posted by fbiryujin View Post
      Are they really going to release the iPhone 5 only a few months after VZW got the iPhone 4? That would be spitting in the face of every person who bought the VZW iPhone.



      I'm sure they could make the now free Find My iPhone cover secure wiping the NFC portion of the phone. IF done right, all it would really have to do is delete an encryption key, which would take a few seconds at most.

      IDK if I'd use NFC though. It's too easy for me to spend my money as it is. Plus that requires all the places I frequent to buy NFC hardware, AND have it compatible with the iPhone implementation of it. I highly doubt that will happen.

      IMO if iPhone 5 has NFC, it will get the ball rolling on adaptation, but NFC won't be super useful in a phone in America until iPhone 6, or possibly iPhone 7.

      Firstly it will, eventually, be EVERYWHERE, or virtually everywhere you may frequent as VeriPhone has announced it's inclusion in all new POS hardware. The adoption of this new, and some may argue "radical", transformation of payments NEEDS to be industry driven. ie - inclusion in all major POS systems, smartphones, etc. If it is not industry driven, and is left to vendor adoption, it WILL undoubtedly FAIL. While we likely will not see widespread deployment for a couple of years, and VeriPhone will likely push this forward(at least in the U.S.), it needs to be included in widely-deployable hardware. While we *may* not see NFC in the i5 it will arrive. Hopefully sooner than later if this strategy is to succeed. I personally expect to see NFC not only integrated in the iPhone 5 but also in a smattering of devices from RIM, Android and WinPho 7 OEM's as well as a variety of BlueTooth connected cases that allow retrofitting of current technology(assuming support for NFC exists in software for a given platform - which it will).

      Just my 2 cents but I think this will happen. And while I hate, absolutely despise, the word evolution(and the associations, biases and connotations the come with it) when applied to anything other than biology for lack of a better word: This is the next evolutionary step in capitalism as facilitated by the wider proliferation and use of mobile technology. Period.
    1. fbiryujin's Avatar
      fbiryujin -
      Quote Originally Posted by mvhurlburt View Post
      Firstly it will, eventually, be EVERYWHERE, or virtually everywhere you may frequent as VeriPhone has announced it's inclusion in all new POS hardware. The adoption of this new, and some may argue "radical", transformation of payments NEEDS to be industry driven. ie - inclusion in all major POS systems, smartphones, etc. If it is not industry driven, and is left to vendor adoption, it WILL undoubtedly FAIL. While we likely will not see widespread deployment for a couple of years, and VeriPhone will likely push this forward(at least in the U.S.), it needs to be included in widely-deployable hardware. While we *may* not see NFC in the i5 it will arrive. Hopefully sooner than later if this strategy is to succeed. I personally expect to see NFC not only integrated in the iPhone 5 but also in a smattering of devices from RIM, Android and WinPho 7 OEM's as well as a variety of BlueTooth connected cases that allow retrofitting of current technology(assuming support for NFC exists in software for a given platform - which it will).

      Just my 2 cents but I think this will happen. And while I hate, absolutely despise, the word evolution(and the associations, biases and connotations the come with it) when applied to anything other than biology for lack of a better word: This is the next evolutionary step in capitalism as facilitated by the wider proliferation and use of mobile technology. Period.
      Very well said, and I agree with you. I personally won't upgrade just for NFC. I hope to see more added to i5.
    1. TheDirtyDiddler's Avatar
      TheDirtyDiddler -
      Quote Originally Posted by swifty7 View Post
      I would never use that feature....what if the phone was lost....no sir...not me!!!!

      I'll stick with my credit card....thank you very much!!!!!
      What if your credit card is lost? At least you can lock a phone.
    1. fbiryujin's Avatar
      fbiryujin -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDirtyDiddler View Post
      What if your credit card is lost? At least you can lock a phone.
      Or remote wipe via Find My iPhone.
    1. dabisnit's Avatar
      dabisnit -
      Quote Originally Posted by Michael Essany View Post




      Without question, the addition of NFC technology on the iPhone 5 and a new remote computing system would truly be an evolutionary step

      Sources: Forbes, The Independent, Cult of Mac
      Evolutionary or revolutionary
    1. that_girl's Avatar
      that_girl -
      I think it's a cool concept. Hopefully they'll also put 4G on the new iPhone too.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by fbiryujin View Post
      Yeah I am aware of the cycle. I think in this instance the right thing to do would be to break it.
      Why would that be the right thing to do? To wait for those who just signed two-year agreements with VZW? Then Apple would be down two yrs or even one to the competition, not a smart idea! All those ppl jumped on the wagon themselves, I think they can wait a year, they still have a great phone!

      I could careless if Apple implements NFC technology into the next iPhone.
    1. Rob2G's Avatar
      Rob2G -
      Quote Originally Posted by Teban View Post
      Not sure that statement has much merit. Let's face it, I loose my phone with CC info on it, I bet I can get to a computer log in wipe the info, track the phone. All before you press one for English, trying to get a rep on the phone. Then after I'm done Ill use my plastic to buy a coffee then go get my phone back. Never having to deal with a bank sales rep. I my case I've lost a lot more wallets then phones ( I pretty much sleep with my phone, I don't even know where my wallet is right now to tell you the truth)
      I am the same way my phone is never more the a foot from me. Even while I sleep it's charging in it's dock on the nightstand right by the head if my bed. I too do not know where my wallet is at the moment but sure as hell know where my phone is (I'm posting with it now).
    1. mvhurlburt's Avatar
      mvhurlburt -
      Quote Originally Posted by fbiryujin View Post
      Very well said, and I agree with you. I personally won't upgrade just for NFC. I hope to see more added to i5.
      ...and there will be. My predictions are this:
      • A5 SoC - Probably with 512MB of RAM
      (Maybe we'll see a gig but I doubt it, Apple really isn't a company the caters to spec hungry fandroids living in moms basement. Apple's product release history indicates that they will stay with 512MB until the 6th gen. The 3G[s] is kind of the exception. On the other hand we may see a situation reminiscent of the OG iPad and i4 with latter A4 equipped with dbl the RAM so it's hard to really say. My gut says 512, especially since it's 800Mhz? LPDDR2 and Apple will likely prefer to keep costs low and margins intact.)
      • 1080p Rear facing camera, maybe a slightly higher MP
      • Dualmode GSM/CDMA baseband hardware manufactured by Qualcom(Unifies and de-fragments the product line)
      • A slightly larger Retina display
      • NFC

      Other than those improvements I suspect the iPhone 5 will largely resemble the iPhone 4 in form factor as well as features. What we will NEVER see is MicroSD or USB. I think this will a 3G[s] type situation where we will see a number of minor upgrades rather than a full blown refresh. We are also unlikely, based on Apple's history in general, to see the inclusion of LTE until the iPhone 6. Apple will likely wait until this technology is widely deployed, tweaked for efficiency and cheaper to manufacture. Other than packing in more performance, upgrading optical sensors, BB hardware, etc. we're not likely to see anything too Earth shattering. What Apple needs to do is start to innovate in mobile again, at least hardware wise. The A5 looks like it's a beast so +1 to Apple on that. While I'm sure iOS 5 will include a host of improvements and new features(NOTIFICATIONS PLEASE!), and I've been quite happy with the release cycle for iOS 4 thus far. It's hard to say what Apple will do; I'd love to see a gesture area surrounding the home button or perhaps on the back of the phone. Hopefully Apple will put some of its millions of patents and IP they hold to good use. Time will tell.
    1. CynicalDriver's Avatar
      CynicalDriver -
      Quote Originally Posted by mvhurlburt View Post
      Hopefully Apple will put some of its millions of patents and IP they hold to good use. Time will tell.
      No... Only Steve will tell... On a stage, sometime in May/June, lol.


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    1. EskimoRuler's Avatar
      EskimoRuler -
      i think that it would be a nice feature to have. But apple usually doesnt like to incorporate features that they do not feel are going to take off.
    1. morean51's Avatar
      morean51 -
      i think we have to wait for its confirmation till june-july
    1. fbiryujin's Avatar
      fbiryujin -
      Quote Originally Posted by morean51 View Post
      i think we have to wait for its confirmation till june-july
      Pretty much. At this point I'm sticking with what I have (iPhone 4 on AT&T with grandfathered plan) and dealing with it. Trying to save money now.
    1. CynicalDriver's Avatar
      CynicalDriver -
      IF iPhone 5 has a faster processor, and more ram... I'll be spending the money to buy it, out of contract. I think the added power is needed with JB tweaks, especially widgets and such. I won't spend that money for NFC, or a better camera...

      I have a camera for that, lol.

      The nice thing is, I'll still get iPhone 6 for renewal price, and I suspect that will be the next big revision.
    1. fbiryujin's Avatar
      fbiryujin -
      Quote Originally Posted by CynicalDriver View Post
      IF iPhone 5 has a faster processor, and more ram... I'll be spending the money to buy it, out of contract. I think the added power is needed with JB tweaks, especially widgets and such. I won't spend that money for NFC, or a better camera...

      I have a camera for that, lol.

      The nice thing is, I'll still get iPhone 6 for renewal price, and I suspect that will be the next big revision.
      I'm just going to buy all my iPhones out of contract at the premium from now on. Cell phone carriers suck everywhere and I'd rather have the freedom to leave one if it pulls something really bad.
    1. CynicalDriver's Avatar
      CynicalDriver -
      Quote Originally Posted by fbiryujin View Post
      I'm just going to buy all my iPhones out of contract at the premium from now on. Cell phone carriers suck everywhere and I'd rather have the freedom to leave one if it pulls something really bad.
      Yeah, but I'm not selling my old ones... They are still used as iPods.

      $700-$800/year on phones isn't the end of the world, but it is a bit of a waste. Consider that you pay the same price for service as a contract, but they're not subsidising your phone, so you're actually getting less for your money.

      Until there is a "Boost" for GSM, running on AT&T's network, prepaid won't do much good either.