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  • Don't Hold Your Breath For Blu-Ray on Macs: Jobs


    Steve Jobs, in an email to a MacRumors reader featured on their website, has indicated Blu-ray compatibility may not be coming to the Mac soon - or ever. In a back-and-forth with a reader identified as "Siva," Jobs broadly panned the format, and predicted that it would soon be rendered irrelevant by "a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content" despite concerns about digital rights management (DRM).

    In the original email, which was not made public, Siva asked Jobs about the absence of a Blu-ray reader on the new HDMI-enabled Mac mini. In Jobs's response, he claimed that “Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD – like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats.” Siva responded back to Jobs, saying that Blu-ray was superior for storing and transferring top-quality, 1080p HD video and was unencumbered by DRM, likening it to MP3 which won out over closed audio standards in the past. In his retort, Jobs claimed that "free, instant gratification and convenience (likely in that order)" was what won the day for MP3, and that for most users 720p HD video would be sufficient.

    Taken in context with previous remarks from Jobs - who has described Blu-ray licensing as “a bag of hurt” (whatever than means), and has loudly and aggressively championed the H.264 standard for streaming video - this interchange is probably the clearest indication yet that Apple has every intention of seeing Blu-ray go the way of the floppy disk.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Don't Hold Your Breath For Blu-Ray on Macs: Jobs started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 69 Comments
    1. jdm.accord's Avatar
      jdm.accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by billchase2 View Post
      Another "news" post from a different message board... interesting.
      lol wtf? Are you even remotely aware of how news stories work? You think just because CNN breaks a story, that ABC, NBC, CBS etc. aren't all gonna report on it too?

      So CNN broke the story of the Deepwater Horizon explosion and subsequent oil spoil, in your mind that means no other news agency is ever allowed to report on it? You're an idiot.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      btw 720P is no way good enough for 3D movies, you need clear high resolution picture for 3D movies. I don't want to see blocks or pauses in a 3D movie.

      BTW for those of you don't see it, Your king (Jobs) have no clothes. Someone who cares should tell him that so he can stop embarassing himself.
    1. me_danish's Avatar
      me_danish -
      I agree with what Steve says, personally I have not had use for a Blu-Ray player. 1080P is downloadable and available. Works for me.
    1. eg6motion's Avatar
      eg6motion -
      Quote Originally Posted by billchase2 View Post
      You've got to be kidding... Blu-ray was dying before it even "won" the format war with HD-DVD. Digital files and streaming are the way to go now.
      You are dreaming. In terms of HD media sales, Bluray surpasses digital downloads and streaming.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by me_danish View Post
      I agree with what Steve says, personally I have not had use for a Blu-Ray player. 1080P is downloadable and available. Works for me.
      How long did it take to download that 2 hour movie? A day? You know what the country average download speed? Not to mention the limit isp is now putting on people? You may not have the need because you have small TV, but others like me with 50+" TV can not take that bad picture quality.
    1. domthebigbomb's Avatar
      domthebigbomb -
      Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
      It's for portability purposes. You can't carry a 60 inch TV with you right? If I'm on a trip, vacation or somewhere remote, I would love to have a Blu-Ray player on my laptop. I have an 18-inch HP monster with Blu-Ray and it has a HDMI out. I can use my laptop as a blu-ray player and save the $150 buying a separate one (unfortunately my PS3 also adopted to this "dying" technology...). You have to think outside the Apple box. Just because you don't find any use of it doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees with you. You are just reading what Steve-o says and believing his hype. The same thing happened with flash. He doesn't like it, so all the little fanboys follow him and agree. The 2 reasons why he doesn't want Blu-Ray is because:

      A) It will reduce his iTunes sales
      B) He doesn't profit as much by adding a more expensive component to an already overpriced computer.

      And who says Blu-Rays won't be eventually adopted into data storage? I mean most games require 2-3 DVD's for installation. It won't be long before they adopt Blu-Ray and use just one. Same thing happened with CD-R's - they used to be the standard for gaming installations and now it seems all games come in DVD format.
      Excellent points
    1. badbrain88's Avatar
      badbrain88 -
      Yeah, unfortunately I find myself in agreement with nob-licker Jobs.

      [I]But[I]........I think both ways are the way to go. For the cinema experience go with the BR, for chillin bed before sleeping go with the streaming.

      Just 2 personal examples, but these are different ways to consume more or less the same product. People have different needs at different times and both can fulfill those needs for the time being and near future

      The death of BR will be the price, also average user is happy with average quality. E.g. First ipods weren't all that in quality (sound & build) compared to others on the market(iriver h-series, creatives, cowon), but they sold and the others did a dinosaur.
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      No one with a television larger than 40 inches, who actually gives a damn about image quality, will go with streaming video over the actual disc. There is NO comparison between the best quality bluray rips and the actual discs themselves, there is a reason they are rips (quality is always lost in the decode/re-encoding process). While I applaud its convenience, some things are just better off stored/played physically. Much in the same way that NAS will always have a place alongside cloud computing.

      I would much rather pay the premium for a disc to own (forever) then to pay a somewhat lesser premium that is inferior in quality and is only available if I have an internet connection.

      I bet you Jobs has a high end blu-ray entertainment system at home, right next to his apple tv.
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      Watching netflix shows and movies on my xbox is great, but 60% of the time my ISP throttles the connection and it turns into a 46" YouTube video. Now that ISPs are limiting download speeds and capacity it's not as great as it once was. It's great on my phone to watch streaming things, but not ona hi def tv, and I have a 10 Meg connection. Waiting 4 hours to download a ****** iTunes format video that isn't actual hi def takes longer than driving to the store to buy a movie and watch the whole thing twice while I'm still waiting for it to download. Doesn't help that I can't seek at all without it hanging or dropping quality either. It's great for mobility and smaller screens, but blu-Ray is better for real quality and the players are dirt cheap.
    1. stomata's Avatar
      stomata -
      I think Steve Jobs is a smart guy, but I really hate his everything-we-don't-do-because-they-are-stupid attitude.
      Sometimes, I think he can earn a lot of respects by admitting the flaw/inability of himself/the company.
    1. 1shuttle1's Avatar
      1shuttle1 -
      Ever since Steve Jobs realized how much revenue he could make off of other peoples hard work his hardware has reflected it. First iTunes with songs he didn't record, then movies he didn't write, produce or star in, then the app store with software he didn't write. Why would he put a blue ray player in a device if you don't have to buy the disk from him. Sure it would be nice to just pop the blue ray disk I own in my Mac on a plane. But I guess that's just crazy talk.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      I wonder if this is a jab toward Sony (blueray tech peps), after all they are part of Sony/Ericsson. Maybe they have a new phone about to come out with higher resolution that runs on Android...
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      blu ray isnt going anywhere any time soon and digital downloading wont become mainstream anytime soon. Not everyone lives in huge cities where their ISP have killer download speeds all I have is 1.5mbps and it usually only gets to 800kbps most of the time. so me downloading movies would take forever. Also the quality of downloads when compared to blu ray is no where near as close so I will take my ever upgrading ps3 blu ray player any day and my blu ray drive in my computer to downloading movies where the quality is just ok
    1. GmAz's Avatar
      GmAz -
      And yet again apple is ignoring what it's customers want and decides to give what they want to. More inferior hardware, lack of wanted options and more media with drm. Just one more reason for me ditching my iPhone and getting a droidx in a couple weeks. **** apple.
    1. zozodouce's Avatar
      zozodouce -
      Blu-Ray on disk is dead for me,you can download the same thing on the net and stream on your pc or big screen no need to have all them disks around your house hahahahahaha.
    1. dropn1s's Avatar
      dropn1s -
      Yeah blu-ray is dying, the DVD isn't even dead yet. Your beta max reference would be more like hddvd.
      I understand that a lot of people don't think using theire laptop is equivalent to a 40" television set but alot of people own blu-ray movies and want to watch them while they are traveling. If I had to put money on it, I would say apple adopts a blu-ray player in a year.
    1. jbardi's Avatar
      jbardi -
      Like it or not, Jobs is absolutely correct in his assessment of blu-ray. At the time of the HD DVD vs Blu-Ray battle, optical media was already obsolete on the global scale. The problem is, a lot of you posting here are young and from the United States.

      Worldwide, Internet speeds are faster than most of you here in the U.S. understand. You can not compare streaming quality of HD content based upon what U.S. ISP's want you to believe is high speed Internet.

      The fact is, outside of solid storage of offsite data, Blu-ray is just too little too late. Do we all remember the Laserdisc fiasco? Some of you are also too young for that as well. Laserdisc was suppose to be the answer to your movie watching enjoyment... overpriced Laserdisc players that the average consumer could not afford (sound familiar?) to play oversized media discs lined up like reflective, silver vinyl... it was the replacement for the VHS and the predecessor to the DVD, but sadly, it couldn't do its job... was the quality better? Yes! Was it touted as the must have device by everyone? Yes! It lasted but 20 years, which to many of you young-ins, that seems like an eternity, but that will never play-out today. That was between 1978 and 2000, and as the Internet didn't really catch on until 1998, there was a communication black-hole going on.

      In todays market, Blu-ray will be lucky to last 5-8 more years with die hards hanging on for dear life to convince themselves that the money they put into this technology was worth it... but sadly, it was dying on the vine before it was harvested!

      Speeds of the Internet in other parts of the world at the time of the Blu-ray release was the death call for Blu-ray before it had a chance to spread its wings. With things like Netflix, AppleTV/Mac Mini, open source Plex/XBMC software, MobiTV, the soon to be released Hulu Plus and Google TV as well as the many other devices in the line up waiting to come to market like Disney's on demand Keychest device, there is just too much streaming competition and the blazing fast Internet to back it up that optical media is simply dead, it and a lot of you just don't know it yet.

      The rest of the world realizes this, so its time the United States public, Gamers and ISP's got out of their day dream world and back to reality... its time to move on.
    1. zozodouce's Avatar
      zozodouce -
      Quote Originally Posted by jbardi View Post
      Like it or not, Jobs is absolutely correct in his assessment of blu-ray. At the time of the HD DVD vs Blu-Ray battle, optical media was already obsolete on the global scale. The problem is, a lot of you posting here are young and from the United States.

      Worldwide, Internet speeds are faster than most of you here in the U.S. understand. You can not compare streaming quality of HD content based upon what U.S. ISP's want you to believe is high speed Internet.

      The fact is, outside of solid storage of offsite data, Blu-ray is just too little too late. Do we all remember the Laserdisc fiasco? Some of you are also too young for that as well. Laserdisc was suppose to be the answer to your movie watching enjoyment... overpriced Laserdisc players that the average consumer could not afford (sound familiar?) to play oversized media discs lined up like reflective, silver vinyl... it was the replacement for the VHS and the predecessor to the DVD, but sadly, it couldn't do its job... was the quality better? Yes! Was it touted as the must have device by everyone? Yes! It lasted but 20 years, which to many of you young-ins, that seems like an eternity, but that will never play-out today. That was between 1978 and 2000, and as the Internet didn't really catch on until 1998, there was a communication black-hole going on.

      In todays market, Blu-ray will be lucky to last 5-8 more years with die hards hanging on for dear life to convince themselves that the money they put into this technology was worth it... but sadly, it was dying on the vine before it was harvested!

      Speeds of the Internet in other parts of the world at the time of the Blu-ray release was the death call for Blu-ray before it had a chance to spread its wings. With things like Netflix, AppleTV/Mac Mini, open source Plex/XBMC software, MobiTV, the soon to be released Hulu Plus and Google TV as well as the many other devices in the line up waiting to come to market like Disney's on demand Keychest device, there is just too much streaming competition and the blazing fast Internet to back it up that optical media is simply dead, it and a lot of you just don't know it yet.

      The rest of the world realizes this, so its time the United States public, Gamers and ISP's got out of their day dream world and back to reality... its time to move on.
      dude you realy know what you are talking about most of these kids in here dont understand that this disk thing is dead for a lot of people like you and me,that knows where to get our movies without having all them disks all over the house hahahahaha.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      Quote Originally Posted by zozodouce View Post
      dude you realy know what you are talking about most of these kids in here dont understand that this disk thing is dead for a lot of people like you and me,that knows where to get our movies without having all them disks all over the house hahahahaha.
      Nothing at the moment or in the foreseeable future is going to be replacing this disk thing. It might be dead to you perhaps because you have no technology to support it. Your probably that mac freak that lives in a basement. Have you ever played a bluray game versus a game in the internet, have you ever seen anything remotely to close the quality that bluray provides? i didn't think not. not only are disk great for me and you but it also allows us to share and back up our media without the need of any special programs or plug ins. Think outside the box for a change, damn.
    1. rhekt's Avatar
      rhekt -
      Doesn't bother me one way or another.