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  • Is Microsoft Joining Apple Against Flash?



    Microsoft - at least in comparison to Apple - has a veritable romance underway with Adobe. But that hasn't stopped Microsoft from flirting with other, more Apple-friendly technologies. Case in point: Microsoft has dibs on H.264-based HTML5 for the all-important web video content market.

    In recent days, we've all witnessed Apple's relationship with Adobe deteriorate into a vitriolic war of wars between two former allies in a brave new tech world ripe for the software and technologies of both companies. But with Steve Jobs' latest published rant effectively dismissing Adobe as a thing of the past, Apple is clearly notifying the tech world that Cupertino is moving in a new direction and that everyone else - that is, if they want their content available through an iDevice - should follow along.

    Strangely enough, one of the first major names to seemingly get on board with Apple in recent days is Microsoft, which is now also propping up the H.264 standard for HTML5 video content. According to Dean Hachamovitch, Microsoft general manager for Internet Explorer:

    The future of the web is HTML5. Microsoft is deeply engaged in the HTML5 process with the W3C. HTML5 will be very important in advancing rich, interactive web applications and site design. The HTML5 specification describes video support without specifying a particular video format. We think H.264 is an excellent format. In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video only.
    While Microsoft continues to broadly support Flash in many aspects, this latest hint suggests that the spark lit by Apple could result in an anti-Flash conflagration that may sweep across the digital landscape in the coming years. While Steve Jobs cited at least six major reasons why Flash is simply not worth supporting in the iPhone OS, Hachamovitch is also trumpeting complaints about Flash's most-nagging issues - those, in particular, that relate to performance, security, and reliability.

    By no means is Microsoft dumping Flash. But Microsoft is clearly no longer looking at Flash as a thing of the future. Microsoft and Apple are now arguably united in a likely perception of Adobe as a lingering blast from the past.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Is Microsoft Joining Apple Against Flash? started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 40 Comments
    1. tweaker's Avatar
      tweaker -
      I'm glad. We need that processor hogging flash gone for good.
    1. Maarten16's Avatar
      Maarten16 -
      didn't see that coming!
    1. battlecrushr's Avatar
      battlecrushr -
      We too ^
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      What's going on? Flash isn't an issue on Windows.
    1. riku98523's Avatar
      riku98523 -
      Quote Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
      I'm glad. We need that processor hogging flash gone for good.
      Flash isn't a processor hog unless you are on a mac why? because the OS needs work.

      Obviously Microsoft is going to obtain w/e they can with any new technology they can't ignore new technology but the difference between M$ and Apple is you won't see M$ stop supporting flash because flash has been good for years.

      Apple are being dicks there is nothing wrong with supporting a new form of technology but bashing on the old is a douche move.

      Here are the facts Adobe tried to work with Apple for years to get flash running better but Apple says "Its all Flash it has nothing to do with our OS" (this is ********) Apple then attempts to get flash to work on the iPhone and Adobe has no problem doing that until Apple tells them to either get a full version of flash working or to **** off. This is something Adobe can't do without Apple releasing their code and allowing Adobe to bypass some of the restrictions that most iPhone devs have. Apple basically told Adobe they couldn't do it because they sucked at developing stuff when in reality it was Apples fault.

      M$ point of view- Support all new forms of technology that works because if we don't we will be hurting the consumers and ultimately our pocket books.

      Apples point of view- Be dicks to everyone support only one form of technology screw over their customers and spew lies about other companies (they do it about M$ all the time and now they are doing it about Adobe). Apple is a little kid who starts fits and whines when he doesn't get his way sooner or later Apple will be punished.
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      The next one that states rude things to the staff writer will get a infraction!
    1. EddieLeonard's Avatar
      EddieLeonard -
      finally!
      ive had just about enough of flash now.
      im always having trouble watching videos and games with the message "musing plug-in" and its not just on my computer its on the work computer, school computer and my dads computer.

      and they arnt running the same os it varies from windows xp to windows 7 and windows 2008 server.

      i know lots of the games are flash based but i cant wait till they are redone in html5 so we can play them on phones with longer battery remaining at the end of the game.
    1. vedavis's Avatar
      vedavis -
      Quote Originally Posted by rpgpromaster View Post
      "musing plug-in"
      Ha-ha-ha. Freudian slip.

      HTML5 is non-stoppable.
    1. baabaa's Avatar
      baabaa -
      Microsoft is not dumping Flash. They are just opening the door for new technology unlike Apple.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      beside video, what does html5 do better than flash?

      I've seen a lot of cool flash sites and i have yet to see anything come close to a awesome looking flash site, I don't get what the problem is with flash and apple. My only understanding is that flash is not meant for anything mobile, but lets not dismiss flash all together now. Or is there something better?
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      I've sai it once and I'll say if again: HTML5 is the future
    1. mardinn's Avatar
      mardinn -
      *** damn it Microsoft.. You and *** damned I know that flash is a awesome thing.. For f sake.. And even joining apple??? That is LOW. Flash... Adobe.., which is giving you the amazing Photoshop. This is how you repay them? Gates I really thought that you were different than Jobs...
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      No they repay adobe by using the other products they sale that actually work. And as said before, they are not against completely. They just want to start the embracing of what html5 can offer.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      This is clearly a business move. Not sure whether I think it is a good move or whether I think it will just make the two companies look equally bad.
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      I love how most of the Apple fanboys go against Flash. It's only crap on Mac OS X.
      The iPhone doesn't even have HTML5 support but does iPhone OS 4.0?
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by MetallicaFan1991 View Post

      The iPhone doesn't even have HTML5 support


      And don't get all worried that Microsoft is going to get rid of Flash. This is an Apple site, you won't get unbiased news about Microsoft here. Microsoft is just accepting new technologies while still supporting the old.
    1. rhekt's Avatar
      rhekt -
      the dripple dip is no longer
    1. SquareWheel's Avatar
      SquareWheel -
      Not even a mention of Silverlight?
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by riku98523 View Post
      Flash isn't a processor hog unless you are on a mac why? because the OS needs work.

      Obviously Microsoft is going to obtain w/e they can with any new technology they can't ignore new technology but the difference between M$ and Apple is you won't see M$ stop supporting flash because flash has been good for years.

      Apple are being dicks there is nothing wrong with supporting a new form of technology but bashing on the old is a douche move.

      Here are the facts Adobe tried to work with Apple for years to get flash running better but Apple says "Its all Flash it has nothing to do with our OS" (this is ********) Apple then attempts to get flash to work on the iPhone and Adobe has no problem doing that until Apple tells them to either get a full version of flash working or to **** off. This is something Adobe can't do without Apple releasing their code and allowing Adobe to bypass some of the restrictions that most iPhone devs have. Apple basically told Adobe they couldn't do it because they sucked at developing stuff when in reality it was Apples fault.

      M$ point of view- Support all new forms of technology that works because if we don't we will be hurting the consumers and ultimately our pocket books.

      Apples point of view- Be dicks to everyone support only one form of technology screw over their customers and spew lies about other companies (they do it about M$ all the time and now they are doing it about Adobe). Apple is a little kid who starts fits and whines when he doesn't get his way sooner or later Apple will be punished.
      Funny how you talk of Apple being dicks when you yourself sound like an angry child with little to no facts. Microsoft shares the same facts about how flash works on mobile devices and PC platforms. Flash is not buggy on most Mac systems. It works just like most Windows systems. Of course you wouldn't know that because you don't own one. Don't speak of what you haven't experienced.
    1. travelbytommy's Avatar
      travelbytommy -
      I think there definately needs to be something done about flash on the iphone, I think Apple abandoning it all together is not the answer. Sure Flash uses rollover functionality that mobile devices can't do, but I am sure there is a way Adobe can either change this somehow or prevent only those websites that use rollover on mobile devices. It is sad for me to think that Apple can dictate what I get on my phone. Who cares if it is a resource hog, or not...that should really be up to the iphone/ipad owner to decide if we want to access flash sites and games in exchange for shorter battery life. I have had AT&T from the beginning, but the entire reason I got on this forum and learned how to jailbreak and unlock in the first place was because I wasn't about to let AT&T and Apple tell me what I could and couldn't do with my phone I paid full price for. If Apple allowed flash and people stopped using flash, then it would be a different story, but to me this just sounds like another instance of Apple telling me what I can and can't do with MY phone. I own my own company, and I did have plans to buy multiple iPad 3g's and i7-980x mac pros (still rumored I know) when they came out, but both those plans have been put on hold due to the whole Apple vs. Adobe thing. Apple better do something in the future, or the last thing I will have bought from them will be my iPhone.