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  • Is Microsoft Joining Apple Against Flash?



    Microsoft - at least in comparison to Apple - has a veritable romance underway with Adobe. But that hasn't stopped Microsoft from flirting with other, more Apple-friendly technologies. Case in point: Microsoft has dibs on H.264-based HTML5 for the all-important web video content market.

    In recent days, we've all witnessed Apple's relationship with Adobe deteriorate into a vitriolic war of wars between two former allies in a brave new tech world ripe for the software and technologies of both companies. But with Steve Jobs' latest published rant effectively dismissing Adobe as a thing of the past, Apple is clearly notifying the tech world that Cupertino is moving in a new direction and that everyone else - that is, if they want their content available through an iDevice - should follow along.

    Strangely enough, one of the first major names to seemingly get on board with Apple in recent days is Microsoft, which is now also propping up the H.264 standard for HTML5 video content. According to Dean Hachamovitch, Microsoft general manager for Internet Explorer:

    The future of the web is HTML5. Microsoft is deeply engaged in the HTML5 process with the W3C. HTML5 will be very important in advancing rich, interactive web applications and site design. The HTML5 specification describes video support without specifying a particular video format. We think H.264 is an excellent format. In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video only.
    While Microsoft continues to broadly support Flash in many aspects, this latest hint suggests that the spark lit by Apple could result in an anti-Flash conflagration that may sweep across the digital landscape in the coming years. While Steve Jobs cited at least six major reasons why Flash is simply not worth supporting in the iPhone OS, Hachamovitch is also trumpeting complaints about Flash's most-nagging issues - those, in particular, that relate to performance, security, and reliability.

    By no means is Microsoft dumping Flash. But Microsoft is clearly no longer looking at Flash as a thing of the future. Microsoft and Apple are now arguably united in a likely perception of Adobe as a lingering blast from the past.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Is Microsoft Joining Apple Against Flash? started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 40 Comments
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Maybe Adobe should now boycott both Macs and PC!

      Quote Originally Posted by SquareWheel View Post
      Not even a mention of Silverlight?
      Silverlight has its uses but I don't think MS themselves expect it to be a full flash replacement. That said, Silverlight itself is more iPhone friendly than flash. You can use Silverlight to stream video to the iPhone.

      HTML5 is definitely the way to go, can't wait for Flash to finally die. But as long as there's idiots supporting that old out dated piece of crap, it'll be around I guess. Technology is moving faster than the adoption rate of dumb people and we get to hear them complain over and over again.
    1. nautical79's Avatar
      nautical79 -
      When you go to a party and get totally drunk and talk **** about somebody and dont remember the next day, then nobody talks to you and you dont know why. maybe thats what happend to adobe.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Success.Is.Sweet View Post
      ust accepting new technologies while still supporting the old.
      which apple will never do lol.

      Quote Originally Posted by nautical79 View Post
      When you go to a party and get totally drunk and talk **** about somebody and dont remember the next day, then nobody talks to you and you dont know why..
      nah, usually i wake up either

      a) wondering who's car i'm in
      b) wondering where my pants are
      c) wondering where all these dead prostitutes came from
      d) all of the above
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      Quote Originally Posted by riku98523 View Post
      Flash isn't a processor hog unless you are on a mac why? because the OS needs work.


      Apple are being dicks there is nothing wrong with supporting a new form of technology but bashing on the old is a douche move.

      Here are the facts Adobe tried to work with Apple for years to get flash running better but Apple says "Its all Flash it has nothing to do with our OS" (this is ********) Apple then attempts to get flash to work on the iPhone and Adobe has no problem doing that until Apple tells them to either get a full version of flash working or to **** off. This is something Adobe can't do without Apple releasing their code and allowing Adobe to bypass some of the restrictions that most iPhone devs have. Apple basically told Adobe they couldn't do it because they sucked at developing stuff when in reality it was Apples fault.

      M$ point of view- Support all new forms of technology that works because if we don't we will be hurting the consumers and ultimately our pocket books.

      Apples point of view- Be dicks to everyone support only one form of technology screw over their customers and spew lies about other companies (they do it about M$ all the time and now they are doing it about Adobe). Apple is a little kid who starts fits and whines when he doesn't get his way sooner or later Apple will be punished.
      I think the only "dicks" are the ones crying over the death of flash. And where are these "facts" you mention. Please post some supportive links or information other than a biased, hate Apple filled rant. Here are some "REAL" facts my friend, I suggest you have a read. AppleInsider | Inside Apple's iPad: Adobe Flash

      MS's Hachamovitch goes on to acknowledge that video on the web today is primarily Flash-based, and while Microsoft continues to work with Adobe on Flash, he also notes that it carries some issues related to reliability, security, and performance. Wow, news flash!!! Security vulnerabilities have followed every release of flash for the past 7 years, bet you didn't know that fact. Their security vulnerabilities opened your PC up like a barn door in a tornado, and you wouldn't have even known it.

      And where is the long promised flash on mobile devices, eg: Android. Promised back in Jan'09 and now they say "oh, later dude". They can't write code for tish. Fact, Adobe had only one code writer for Linux. Yeah, really good work practices there, and if he got sick or hit by a bus???

      Not only Apple, but Linux and MS have had performance issues. The fact is, Adobe in their stupid arrogance thought nobody would challenge them or their crappy plugin, and now so they will end up in the closet with the floppy disk and DOS command line. Be a troglodyte and stay in the past, but don't stop those of us who wish to move forward. I think the only little kid here is you. I look forward to not having to hear the screams of the whiny punks who love to play with their "flash" one handed.

      Suffer Adobe, and your garbage software. Ha ha ha ha!!!!! Who are the dicks now???? Viva Apple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ding dong the witch is dead......
    1. reallynotnick's Avatar
      reallynotnick -
      Flash does mainly 4 things
      1. Video
      2. Ads
      3. Web games
      4. Makes websites annoying to use through useless animations

      Well I hate 2 and 4 so that doesn't matter. As far as video goes plain H.264 is less processor intensive and more open than H.264 video inside of flash. The only thing I don't know if we have a good replacement for is web games.
    1. tweaker's Avatar
      tweaker -
      Quote Originally Posted by MetallicaFan1991 View Post
      I love how most of the Apple fanboys go against Flash. It's only crap on Mac OS X.
      The iPhone doesn't even have HTML5 support but does iPhone OS 4.0?
      Umm... Flash sucks on Windows 7 too. Why does my processor get really hot just watching ordinary youtube videos? Flash is simply bloated. Adobe needs to make Flash more efficient otherwise html5 is here to take over.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      Or maybe your comp sucks.
    1. aqualeris's Avatar
      aqualeris -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      Or maybe your comp sucks.
      Quote for truth! Computer turning hot while running Flash videos on YouTube? Lousiest computer ever.

      I still support Flash. Maybe Flash isn't the best on mobile platforms, but on computers, Flash is still the way to go.
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
      Umm... Flash sucks on Windows 7 too. Why does my processor get really hot just watching ordinary youtube videos? Flash is simply bloated. Adobe needs to make Flash more efficient otherwise html5 is here to take over.
      Sounds like it's time to replace that 486.

      Quote Originally Posted by Kroo View Post
      And where is the long promised flash on mobile devices, eg: Android. Promised back in Jan'09 and now they say "oh, later dude".
      It's already in closed beta and is being released in May/June.
    1. tweaker's Avatar
      tweaker -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      Or maybe your comp sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by aqualeris View Post
      Quote for truth! Computer turning hot while running Flash videos on YouTube? Lousiest computer ever.
      Quote Originally Posted by Success.Is.Sweet View Post
      Sounds like it's time to replace that 486.
      But you see here, why do I have to upgrade a 2008 computer to play low resolution videos off youtube? The point of html5 is to deliver flash-like content more efficiently to all sorts of hardware. This is why flash isn't suitable for mobile computing. It taxes too much power.
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
      But you see here, why do I have to upgrade a 2008 computer to play low resolution videos off youtube? The point of html5 is to deliver flash-like content more efficiently to all sorts of hardware. This is why flash isn't suitable for mobile computing. It taxes too much power.
      Something is wrong with your computer. My netbook plays HD youtube full screen no problem.
    1. dale2's Avatar
      dale2 -
      Hulu makes my computer running windows 7 very very hot
      its a mid 2009 MBP
      not the computers fault
    1. Success.Is.Sweet's Avatar
      Success.Is.Sweet -
      Quote Originally Posted by dale2 View Post
      not the computers fault
      Wrong. MBP's run ******* hot just idling. My cousin and I simply play Age of Empires (1997) and his MBP runs so hot that it shuts down. Borderlands and CoD4 do it even faster. The motherboard just died on it too (probably melted) and was replaced, still does the same thing. It's absolutely ridiculous when you're paying $2000 for a computer comparable to a $500 laptop running Windows.
    1. RelentlessDan's Avatar
      RelentlessDan -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      usually i wake up either

      a) wondering who's car i'm in
      b) wondering where my pants are
      c) wondering where all these dead prostitutes came from
      d) all of the above
      This kid is a genious! im afraid thats a signature quote
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      I bet if Steve Jobs said he didn't like soup or pancakes, and then gave 6 reasons why, Campbells and IHOP would go under.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      Well I just saved 45 bucks watching mosely vs mayweather using the infamous flash on my computer... Oh well
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jahooba View Post
      I bet if Steve Jobs said he didn't like soup or pancakes, and then gave 6 reasons why, Campbells and IHOP would go under.
      maybe not that, but we'd have staff writers making articles about how soup is the thing of the past, and we need HTMsoup5
    1. Ajblue7's Avatar
      Ajblue7 -
      For your information, every website is written in html no questions asked. html is the internet standard. Flash is a plugin for websites. since its a plugin and not very good it has a ton of issues. all html5 is doing is adding a standard for the abilities flash provides you to do. but html5 actually does it right. If you have ever watched a HD video on youtube using html5, it is amazing. html5 loads the whole video in approx. 2seconds in HD. and this enables you to click around the whole video as you pleased. facebook also adopted html5 and its fast. flash needs to load everytime you you try to click to a part of a video and also on higher definition videos flash doesnt even load fast enough to keep up with the video playing. Also this can be applied to games .etc if you search for html5 stuff you will find some amazing things
    1. ModJoe's Avatar
      ModJoe -
      .. looks like we have to go on . Flash is quiet a cool Application , but to do a step further sometime it needs to do a step backwards to get to the best mobile direction.
    1. dale2's Avatar
      dale2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Success.Is.Sweet View Post
      Wrong. MBP's run ******* hot just idling. My cousin and I simply play Age of Empires (1997) and his MBP runs so hot that it shuts down. Borderlands and CoD4 do it even faster. The motherboard just died on it too (probably melted) and was replaced, still does the same thing. It's absolutely ridiculous when you're paying $2000 for a computer comparable to a $500 laptop running Windows.
      A MBP is a PC with an apple logo, its the same hardware.

      that sounds like an individual problem. I emulate ps2 games in windows 7 with mine, and sure it gets hot, but never more than 10C below the 105C the processor can handle. and i get decent frame rates too, between 45 and 60 fps.
      but somehow, flash seems to burn my lap just as easy.