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  • Steve Jobs Blasts Adobe Flash on Apple Website



    From the looks of it, Steve Jobs just wanted to make known his true feelings about Adobe Flash - just in case we haven't been able to accurately deduce from a multitude of blatant indicators elsewhere that Apple simply doesn't like Flash and wants no part of it. Just to clear up any confusion, Steve Jobs published what some are now calling an anti-Flash manifesto directly to the Apple website.

    Communicating in his own words with no comments "taken out of context," Steve Jobs let loose in his letter with a resounding rejection of Adobe, ostensibly designating Flash as a relic of the past that was fit for PCs but antiquated and impractical in the era of mobile devices. Consequently, Jobs was forced to concede that Apple and Adobe have "grown apart" with the two mega brands now sharing "few joint interests."

    While Steve Jobs utilized no shortage of examples in today's letter to argue that Adobe is basically a thing of the past, perhaps the most biting argument made by Jobs is that Flash isn't needed to fully enjoy Apple devices, which have rendered Flash "no longer necessary." In essence, Jobs served up his greatest hits, pointing out that Flash is a closed system and that "sub-standard apps" would result from converting Flash applications to the iPhone.

    The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 200,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.
    While we can almost envision the folks at Adobe firing back likely even before the start of the weekend, Steve Jobs has clearly delineated his argument against Flash, leaving nothing to the imagination with regard to his company's ongoing exodus from all things Adobe. And once he finished explaining why Apple is effectively out of the Flash game, he made a point to rib Adobe one last time and suggest how they should retool their own business strategy.

    New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Steve Jobs Blasts Adobe Flash on Apple Website started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 83 Comments
    1. k.nitsua's Avatar
      k.nitsua -
      Okay, time for my two cents:

      I've used flash before, but I'm using HTML5 now... why? HTML5 is easier, cleaner, and uses up FAR less resources.

      HTML5 STILL has a long way to go if it wants to compete against Flash, but some of the stuff HTML5 has been able to pull off has been very impressive.

      Majority of Flash content online is video playback; this is done far easier and quicker with HTML5.

      I don't know how Flash works on a Mac because "I'm a PC" - so I'm not going to get into that topic.

      The fact of the matter is in the next few years more people will be viewing online content mobile and not on their desktops. So far, a vast majority of that online content has been view on the iPhone platform. If Apple wants to shift the powers that be towards HTML5, they will. Hulu will most definitely switch over the HTML5 once they get the licenses they need for mobile consumption. ALL of Hulu's interactive content can EASILY be done with BASIC HTML5.

      Adobe should adopt the open HTML5 and build on it. Remember, Flash WAS NOT Adobe's to begin with - it was Macromedia's until they were bought out. Adobe has taken Flash and has done wonders with it; I'm sure they can do the same with HTML5.

      And finally, for those of you who do not think Flash is going anywhere... think again. YouTube & Facebook were both powerhouses that use a LOT of Flash. They've switched without hardly a hiccup. What's stopping other sites from doing the same? If they realize that a majority of their users are mobile users, then they'll most definitely make the switch.

      So there you have it, from a non-apple fanboy who uses Adobe products on a daily basis. Mark my words, Adobe Flash will dissipate unless they adopt HTML5.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by dennder View Post
      bigghommie,
      your answer might be an offtopic, and my answer to it as well (even considered flame), but, should i maybe write in my sig. that i am MCITP: EA (do you know what it is?) and Linux+ certified professional and might know more about windows than you ever will?
      Translation:

      Quote Originally Posted by dennder View Post
      Ooh! Look at me! I paid for this here piece of paper that has a bunch of letters on it that says I know how to use Microsoft software! I'm better than you!
    1. bigghommie's Avatar
      bigghommie -
      Quote Originally Posted by k.nitsua View Post
      Okay, time for my two cents:

      I've used flash before, but I'm using HTML5 now... why? HTML5 is easier, cleaner, and uses up FAR less resources.

      HTML5 STILL has a long way to go if it wants to compete against Flash, but some of the stuff HTML5 has been able to pull off has been very impressive.

      Majority of Flash content online is video playback; this is done far easier and quicker with HTML5.

      I don't know Flash works on a Mac because "I'm a PC" - so I'm not going to get into that topic.

      The fact of the matter is in the next few years more people will be viewing online content mobile and not on their desktops. So far, a vast majority of that online content has been view on the iPhone platform. If Apple wants to shift the powers that be towards HTML5, they will. Hulu will most definitely switch over the HTML5 once they get the licenses they need for mobile consumption. ALL of Hulu's interactive content can EASILY be done with BASIC HTML5.

      Adobe should adopt the open HTML5 and build on it. Remember, Flash WAS NOT Adobe's to begin with - it was Macromedia's until they were bought out. Adobe has taken Flash and has done wonders with it; I'm sure they can do the same with HTML5.

      And finally, for those of you who do not think Flash is going anywhere... think again. YouTube & Facebook were both powerhouses that use a LOT of Flash. They've switched without hardly a hiccup. What's stopping other sites from doing the same? If they realize that a majority of their uses are mobile users, then they'll most definitely make the switch.

      So there you have it, from a non-apple fanboy who uses Adobe products on a daily basis. Mark my words, Adobe Flash will dissipate unless they adopt HTML5.
      When you say your using HTML5. Your saying your deployment it in a closed environment cause 95% of the web today is Flash. BTW Chrome is one of the only browsers that support h.264 decoding. Otherwise you got use that Alternative codec.

      I love Apple's mobile products. But I'm a PC and I'm happy.
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      *Yawn

      Wake me up when he's not acting like an emo 15 year old.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Yes, adobe is going to consider closing off over 40% of their revenue to get back at apple. Unlike Apple that gets by just fine without flash, adobe needs apple. Closing that door would be suicide for them.

      Also, I agree with pretty much everything Jobs wrote. People who still want flash for some reason are delusional. I hineslty can't wait for droid to get flash (god knows when) just so people see how bad it is.
      htc intruder (att's upcomming android phone, att's version of verizon htc incredible) is shipping with flash 10.1. It will be in att stores may 31st. Saw it in action yesterday. I was quite impressed with it.... I have flash 10.1 on my milestone, and it plays about 70% of flash content....full disclosure-I have a custome rom on my milestone. Flash worked ok with the factory ROM....and saying it worked ok is being generous.
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      After reading the whole post by Steve Jobs, I noticed that he said that Flash is the number one reason that Macs crash. Although i do not own one, i have been on many and never seen a Mac crash from Flash
    1. mlauth's Avatar
      mlauth -
      Quote Originally Posted by pcsrule View Post
      As much as I usually disagree with Jobs... He's right you know. HTML5 is they way forward. Flash is a huge CPU hog for what it does and putting it on a mobile device is just stupid. And flash is nowhere near 99% of the web. When I got the iPhone i wanted flash but three years later I have no need for it. All the popular websites use HTML5. It takes someone like Jobs to say don't change the device... Change the Internet.

      i agree.
      I have no problems visiting the websites i go to daily on my phone. They all have HTML5 support.
    1. bigghommie's Avatar
      bigghommie -
      I haven't ever seen a mac crash cause of Adobe Flash.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by whereswaldo View Post
      After reading the whole post by Steve Jobs, I noticed that he said that Flash is the number one reason that Macs crash. Although i do not own one, i have been on many and never seen a Mac crash from Flash
      I've owned several Macs over the last 10+ years and have seen them crash from plenty of other things having nothing to do with Flash. That's nothing more than Jobs talking out of his a$s just like a lot of the fanbois here.
    1. dtmoore555's Avatar
      dtmoore555 -
      couldn't have said it better myself!!! 100% agree...
    1. iPhone3G[S]'s Avatar
      iPhone3G[S] -
      Quote Originally Posted by PlatoTheForms View Post
      "Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind."

      Sounds like Adobe Flash is done; at least in Apple's view.
      In 1997 the floppy drive was obsolete to steve jobs... I will have to agree with him again, flash will be abandoned by Adobe within 10yrs just like Sony abandoned floppy drive recently.
    1. back9player's Avatar
      back9player -
      Quote Originally Posted by redcard View Post
      My Ipad is better than your netbook. Everything it does it does better than yours.
      you sounded like you knew what you were talking about, until i read that.

      even though the keyboard on a netbook is small, it's still better than typing on the virtual thing apple gave you. and no, the bluetooth keyboard does not count. why? because i'd love to see you lug around a stand and keyboard, just to type correctly. or how about when you're laying down on the couch? or sitting with it on your lap? just a few things netbooks will always do better.

      ipad is for consumption.... so seriously, shut up.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      can anyone share a list of sites that utilize HTML5? i'd like to use them on my ipod, really.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      can anyone share a list of sites that utilize HTML5? i'd like to use them on my ipod, really.
      101 Best HTML5 Sites
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      can anyone share a list of sites that utilize HTML5? i'd like to use them on my ipod, really.
      the only one(s) that comes to mind that hasnt already been talked about, thats main purpose is video is crunchyroll (for sure), and dailymotion (i believe).Heres some others-vimeo, espn, si, cbs, abc, mlb.com, nhl.com....


      curses-roke beat me too it.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      but no good media sites, actual game sites, or anything useful like that?

      am disappoint
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      but no good media sites, actual game sites, or anything useful like that?

      am disappoint
      crunchy is a pretty interesting media site, all kinds of vidoes to pick from, and waaaaaayyyy better quality than yutube. Although for most of the good stuff you have to pay to join.
    1. pcollacchi's Avatar
      pcollacchi -
      The overwhelming majority of viewed content on the web right now is flash, in part because the overwhelming majority of viewed content is on Google. 70%. Also, Google is now competing directly with Apple through the Droid handset. What ultimately predominates has little to do with the best technology, but about controlling market share, so if Google decides to stick with flash, and support flash on its handset technology, everyone *else* (except maybe Apple) will eventually be supporting flash.

      The 70% figure is for Youtube which is controlled by Google.
    1. mardinn's Avatar
      mardinn -
      Quote Originally Posted by thisisasticup View Post
      This right here says it best

      "Flash was designed for PCs using mice, not for touch screens using fingers. For example, many Flash websites rely on “rollovers”, which pop up menus or other elements when the mouse arrow hovers over a specific spot. Apple’s revolutionary multi-touch interface doesn’t use a mouse, and there is no concept of a rollover. Most Flash websites will need to be rewritten to support touch-based devices. If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript?"
      What do you mean that JavaScript is modern Hah.. Its like exactly 15 years old now.. Almost no use for it. HTML5 Sucks.. You know it, I know it, everybody else knows it.. Flash was the Past, still is the future, and WILL be the future. Apple thinks they can do whatever they want and like everyone else will follow too. Sooner or later Apple will bankrupt if this keeps up. By the way I would Love to see Adobe disabling PhotoShop for Macs ;]
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy View Post
      Yes, adobe is going to consider closing off over 40% of their revenue to get back at apple. Unlike Apple that gets by just fine without flash, adobe needs apple. Closing that door would be suicide for them.

      Also, I agree with pretty much everything Jobs wrote. People who still want flash for some reason are delusional. I hineslty can't wait for droid to get flash (god knows when) just so people see how bad it is.
      I think the point many are trying to make here is who the f--- is Apple to tell me what I can and can't or should and shouldn't use? I don't know the last time I used flash. I never play flash games and rarely watch flash video content. Still, let ME decide not to use it, don't tell me I can't...