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  • Mac OS X 10.7 Talk Sparks Controversy



    A controversial post from Rixstep is drawing wide apprehension, disbelief, and cries of "big fat rumor" this weekend. What's all the fuss about? Well, it seems that Apple wants to be large and in charge for when Mac OS 10.7 rolls out. Indeed, there could be "big changes" ahead. And, as Rixstep hints, Apple will exercise absolute authority in ways never before observed in Mac operating systems. According to Rixstep's post yesterday, no software will be able to run on Mac OS X 10.7 without being approved by Apple!

    Assuming this all plays out as foreshadowed, this fall Apple will initiate a program to sign up independent software vendors for the 10.7 developer program. Similar to the iPhone's variation of the program, the 10.7 developer program will cost $99 and deliver a host of bells and whistles, like Xcode developer tools and access to online API documentation. But, at the end of the day, devs who have software to push for OS 10.7 will have to get Apple's seal of approval by submitting their products to the App Store just as any developer would today in obtaining access for their work.

    According to the report, OS 10.7 will have "kernel support for ('insistence on') binaries signed with Apple's root certificate." But the piece goes on to say that "Slapping a root certificate on a binary running Snow Leopard or earlier doesn't change anything: the certificate represents an additional executable section that can easily be removed. Individual apps can of course check for the presence of a certificate, but it's not before the OS kernel itself insists on this certificate that program execution is totally in Apple's control."

    Of course, there are two sides to every story. And multiple sides (from the dev world, at least) are now surfacing to say that Rixstep's post reads like pure fiction. As a result, countless other devs and websites (including our friends at 9to5Mac) are firmly keeping this report from Rixstep in the rumor column. One dev in the know even told 9to5Mac that "I'm in the Mac Developer program, and there have been no announcements from Apple about 10.7 whatsoever to developers."

    Who's in the know? Who's in the dark?

    As more and more developers weigh in on Rixstep's post, it would seem that the information presented yesterday was far from totally accurate. Of course, a lot of people didn't initially believe that Gizmodo had the new iPhone model either. Could there be some morsel of truth to Rixstep's piece? Absolutely. It just might be a while until we know for sure.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Mac OS X 10.7 Talk Sparks Controversy started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 67 Comments
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      This would be insanely out there for them. Phone OS is one thing but desktop is not right.
    1. The Maestro's Avatar
      The Maestro -
      I think apple has been trying to convince us more latley then ever that we need there new refinements, I know apples trying to take over but this would be to much
    1. wakka102's Avatar
      wakka102 -
      I have already been put off of Mac's owning my current one. I've never had so much trouble with an operating system in my life. Vista was more stable than my experience with 10.6.3. If this comes to pass it would be even more of a reason for me to NEVER purchase another Apple computer. Which I won't be doing regardless. I love the Iphone but this is just going to hinder their computers even more than they already are.
    1. lfc_'s Avatar
      lfc_ -
      Hmm.. Well this puts me off buying a mac if its true

      I hate having to jailbreak my iphone already just to use its full potential and i sure as hell am not willing to jailbreak my desktop pc to do the same
    1. Bill69's Avatar
      Bill69 -
      the downfall of apple. and we will just have to learn to jailbreak macs then and they wouldnt announce this on a 10.7 it would be so significant they would make it 11.0
    1. robbpell's Avatar
      robbpell -
      when did the apple turn into a swastika
    1. joshWUa's Avatar
      joshWUa -
      I will turn my back on Mac if it happens and curse the name of Apple. I would even hack my iPhone so it runs on another OS.
    1. rel1215's Avatar
      rel1215 -
      i'm calling BS on this.....i seriously doubt this is true.
    1. brianlg's Avatar
      brianlg -
      rumor. thats all that needs to be said
    1. FlexSurferOne's Avatar
      FlexSurferOne -
      Quote Originally Posted by wakka102 View Post
      I have already been put off of Mac's owning my current one. I've never had so much trouble with an operating system in my life. Vista was more stable than my experience with 10.6.3. If this comes to pass it would be even more of a reason for me to NEVER purchase another Apple computer. Which I won't be doing regardless. I love the Iphone but this is just going to hinder their computers even more than they already are.
      If your Vista is more stable then 10.6.3 then maybe Apple is right about this move. I don't know what applications your using on your 10.6.3 but I'm sure those application are what causing instability of your Mac compared to Vista, and this is what Apply trying to avoid.
    1. domaid's Avatar
      domaid -
      Even if it doesn't happen in 10.7 it will be just a matter of time till there is an app approval system. Typical apple.. :-( Jailbroken Mac anyone? :-P
    1. BLOWNCO's Avatar
      BLOWNCO -
      @FLEXSURFERONE and your the target audiance for this to happen just say ok apple tell me what I can and can't run on my machine that you paid for. I do t know about you but if it is true that total bs I would never buy another apple again if this goes through. it would be like buying a car and not being able to use and mp3 player to play your music cause it's not something the car came with from factory ha no thanks I'll buy pc
    1. sphangman's Avatar
      sphangman -
      Quote Originally Posted by wakka102 View Post
      I have already been put off of Mac's owning my current one. I've never had so much trouble with an operating system in my life. Vista was more stable than my experience with 10.6.3. If this comes to pass it would be even more of a reason for me to NEVER purchase another Apple computer. Which I won't be doing regardless. I love the Iphone but this is just going to hinder their computers even more than they already are.
      you are doing something seriously wrong there. My mum has been on 10.5 and 10.6 for 3 years and I haven't had to look after the machine one bit.
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      If this happens which I doubt, I'll be moving back to Windows.
    1. Mes's Avatar
      Mes -
      This would not surprise me one bit. The king of the mountain is (and has been) flexing his muscles. When or where will it stop? They are not God. Talk with your pocketbook It happened 25 years ago to Apple, it can happen again! This would the break the love/hate Apple stalemate.
    1. klouud's Avatar
      klouud -
      I don't think Apple can afford to do something like this with their "PC" products - they already hold a small amount of the market share, despite recent gains, due to higher prices (than Win Machines) and somewhat less support (for common Win Programs).

      Something like this would almost destroy the momentum they have just created against Microsoft. I know that I want to use Apple Products over Microsoft because of better stability and efficiency. But personally... I would take a step back and say:

      "much higher prices (roughly x2 of its Win Machine counterpart) + Insane amount of control = IDK..."

      If this does go through hopefully Apple will leave 10.6 alone

      tim

      ps - no hate replies - I'm just being objective
    1. ip3's Avatar
      ip3 -
      This if true has big implications, I have read many posts and threads all over the web about this and I might have a solution though a slight inconvenience. I found this on another site and would like to know if this is possible?

      This would truly be one of the biggest mistakes apple would ever do, however we were thinking about ways around this and we have a few ideas....
      Most likely you will be required to update in order to use iTunes, numbers,pages,keynote and be able to sync all of your devices to your Mac, however who is saying that you have to only have one os installed on your Mac, we just purchased a new MacBook pro 15" i7 and we will be upgrading the HD to 1tb-2td's not totally sure yet, and upgrading the ram to the full 8gb. All that accounted for we think that you will be able to have a dual boot or triple boot(if you use windows on your Mac) one boot would be OS 10.6.3 the current vision and then partition just enough to run your iTunes and any apple programs you would need on the new 10.7 or even 11.0 (we don't think apple will jump the gun to 11.0 just yet) and then if necessary a windows boot, allowing you to enjoy OS 10.6.3 with no restrictions...
      Mods plz tell me if it's ok to post link to original post on other site.?
    1. symondavis's Avatar
      symondavis -
      I hope this is just an invalid rumor. It would be awful to use a Mac with OTT permissions.
    1. zatpgw's Avatar
      zatpgw -
      What problems? Snow Leopard is very stable. I do hope that they don't make a iPad out of the macs though. Closed platforms work for some people, but not the whole community.
    1. aamodr's Avatar
      aamodr -
      Have the guys at apple got the Windows bug?.. if they impliment this then the end of MAC is not faraway, success has gone to their heads. All heavy heads get deflated one day or the other in history.
      I hope the day does not come when I am no longer proud to own a Mac.