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  • Mac OS X 10.7 Talk Sparks Controversy



    A controversial post from Rixstep is drawing wide apprehension, disbelief, and cries of "big fat rumor" this weekend. What's all the fuss about? Well, it seems that Apple wants to be large and in charge for when Mac OS 10.7 rolls out. Indeed, there could be "big changes" ahead. And, as Rixstep hints, Apple will exercise absolute authority in ways never before observed in Mac operating systems. According to Rixstep's post yesterday, no software will be able to run on Mac OS X 10.7 without being approved by Apple!

    Assuming this all plays out as foreshadowed, this fall Apple will initiate a program to sign up independent software vendors for the 10.7 developer program. Similar to the iPhone's variation of the program, the 10.7 developer program will cost $99 and deliver a host of bells and whistles, like Xcode developer tools and access to online API documentation. But, at the end of the day, devs who have software to push for OS 10.7 will have to get Apple's seal of approval by submitting their products to the App Store just as any developer would today in obtaining access for their work.

    According to the report, OS 10.7 will have "kernel support for ('insistence on') binaries signed with Apple's root certificate." But the piece goes on to say that "Slapping a root certificate on a binary running Snow Leopard or earlier doesn't change anything: the certificate represents an additional executable section that can easily be removed. Individual apps can of course check for the presence of a certificate, but it's not before the OS kernel itself insists on this certificate that program execution is totally in Apple's control."

    Of course, there are two sides to every story. And multiple sides (from the dev world, at least) are now surfacing to say that Rixstep's post reads like pure fiction. As a result, countless other devs and websites (including our friends at 9to5Mac) are firmly keeping this report from Rixstep in the rumor column. One dev in the know even told 9to5Mac that "I'm in the Mac Developer program, and there have been no announcements from Apple about 10.7 whatsoever to developers."

    Who's in the know? Who's in the dark?

    As more and more developers weigh in on Rixstep's post, it would seem that the information presented yesterday was far from totally accurate. Of course, a lot of people didn't initially believe that Gizmodo had the new iPhone model either. Could there be some morsel of truth to Rixstep's piece? Absolutely. It just might be a while until we know for sure.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Mac OS X 10.7 Talk Sparks Controversy started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 67 Comments
    1. TranceField's Avatar
      TranceField -
      Apple sheep will still flock to it.... and will claim that it's the best OS ever.....
    1. andrewbrimberry's Avatar
      andrewbrimberry -
      Hopefully it's just a rumor.
    1. lolcats1's Avatar
      lolcats1 -
      I would actually beleive this. Isnt the whole point of apple comps to avoid 3rd party software that might not work perfectly?

      PC for life.
    1. vindutch's Avatar
      vindutch -
      Well Apple is now realizing that there OS is now vulnerable for getting viruses. So to keep up the facade that macs do not get viruses. This is something they will have to do to keep it that way. So your new mac will come with software they want and thats it. Wow that sounds great! It will be just like a new iphone when you first turn it on. Boring!
    1. extremzocker's Avatar
      extremzocker -
      i dont think Apple would risk something that could harm their products so much. they are too clever.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      apple isn't stupid guys. they know that if they did this then they would be putting themselves out of business. I call shens on rixstep.
    1. chrispy212's Avatar
      chrispy212 -
      If you read this story and laughed it off as nonsense, well done.

      For those of you threatening to never buy another Apple product, you yourself have overlooked why they wouldn't never implement such a system.

      Who would buy 10.7 if this were the case? Nobody. We all use 3rd party apps in our everyday workflow, nobody would be willing to sacrifice that. It would be a waste of Apple's time and money, and I do not believe that they are this stupid.

      What I do believe is that a reporter with an IQ smaller than his shoe size has thrown enormous speculation on top of fairly solid information. It has been speculated that Apple plan to introduce an "OS X App Store." I, for one, think that is a fantastic idea. This does not mean you won't be able to download a unsigned binary and run it without Apple's consent. I expect that apps sold on this "OS X App Store" WILL require a root certificate, however. So, you can carry on using all your current 3rd party apps, and developers can continue to distribute via their own websites, out of their own pockets.

      OR

      They can pay $99 for the benefit of Apple-sanctioned distribution, alongside (potential) access to a wider range of API's that will require Apple's approval.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      if apple did by chance do this, I will not be switching to windows. linux ftw! (after mac os x or course)
    1. JedixJarf's Avatar
      JedixJarf -
      Id be installing fedora on my macbook pro...
    1. DubbaCTrumpetMSU's Avatar
      DubbaCTrumpetMSU -
      Thank you Chrispy212. No way will this ever happen-Apple is simply working on an App Store FOR OSX, not that every single app will have to be signed. I can't believe some people are falling for this one. Rixstep is way out of line here..just trying to get publicity. I call a giant B/S on this one.
    1. deathbybunnies6's Avatar
      deathbybunnies6 -
      Well, I'm not upgrading
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      After the iPhone OS release, I always felt Apple would make future OSX versions fully closed systems like the iPhone OS, and I still believe that's where Apple will go. As for pushing app devs to an appstore type set up, I do find that harder to swallow. There could be anti trust issues there. We do have Bodega which is the closest thing to an appstore for Mac, (not a bad one either). To close off devs when they've had a free run, wouldn't win any friends and I don't think Apple would be so stupid to do that (but shareware apps might earn money in an appstore). Now, as for future devices....... this is a real possibility. If laptops were superseded by iPad type devices, maybe. If desktops disappeared and something else come to be, say a transparent touchscreen sitting on your desk, then perhaps yes. I think as newer devices replace older technology, then this is more likely, but not for the current hardware on OSX. This will only happen if there was a total hardware switch. IMHO.
    1. Mes's Avatar
      Mes -
      Quote Originally Posted by DubbaCTrumpetMSU View Post
      ....Apple is simply working on an App Store FOR OSX, not that every single app will have to be signed. ...
      Don't be fooled. If this happens in any form, sooner or later it will be expanded to everything. Mark my words ladies and gentlemen. You just saw how quickly and easily Apple changed the iPhone developer license!! The writing's on the wall. Apple will piece meal this until we're hooked and fool us into believing it was good All the while, Apple is taking a bigger and bigger chunk of money from us (and away from the developers) and laughing all the way to the bank.
    1. intangbl's Avatar
      intangbl -
      I can certainly see why Apple would want to go this way, as Mac's gain more and more market share they will become tasty targets for Malware and Virus writers.

      Do we really WANT Mac OS to have to become the 12 patch a day drudgery that is Windows?


      I don't.... and I think it would be a bold move on Apple's part to at least attempt to put a well working certificate system in place to help avoid it.

      Anyway even if Apple does it and we hate it, everyone will just go back to running multiple OS's .....Mac or Unix for safety and security and other less secure OS's for fun

      I mean really, ....if we did not have Apple pushing hard, everyone knows we would all be stuck with VISTA ..for who knows how long... there is NO WAY M$ would have pushed out Windows7 yet.

      So I for one say go Apple, push it till it breaks or you make it great either way it's CHANGE and that for ME is much better than another 20 years of Windows nonsense.
    1. Micara57's Avatar
      Micara57 -
      If they go through with that, I shall be selling my Mac, that is complete bull....
    1. FlexSurferOne's Avatar
      FlexSurferOne -
      @BLOWNCO I never said that i agree with Apple about extending its control to the Mac OSX. Personally in fact i don't care what they do with their products as long as it can still make my life more easier. I have specific needs that i found OSX is doing great job for me, if that is no longer available due to their constraints i'll ditch Apple without second thought.

      Developers on the other side have all the reasons to get pissed off about it.

      Their control over the iPhone OS is arguably justified due to the sensitivity of the mobile hardware architecture compared to the desktop architecture which is more mature, but i see no reason form Apple to extend the control into their desktop platform.
    1. riku98523's Avatar
      riku98523 -
      Apple doesn't care if this will supposedly "ruin" them because they know it won't. Apple realizes that they can shaft their customers in any way they want and they will still come back to buy more overpriced junk.
    1. ceris7356's Avatar
      ceris7356 -
      This is rather sad if it is true. I have all kinds of applications that i get from all over the net. So for them to control which applications I can use is a serious party foul.
    1. severe's Avatar
      severe -
      Quote Originally Posted by MetallicaFan1991 View Post
      If this happens which I doubt, I'll be moving back to Windows.
      Back to Windows? I've never even been Windows, and even I would be running to them faster than a fat kid on cake.

      Quote Originally Posted by TranceField View Post
      Apple sheep will still flock to it.... and will claim that it's the best OS ever.....
      I think you're wrong. However, I don't think this is likely.
    1. PapaJohnX's Avatar
      PapaJohnX -
      Quote Originally Posted by robbpell View Post
      when did the apple turn into a swastika
      So true, so true