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  • Steve Jobs: Adobe "Lazy," Google "BS," Next iPhone "an A+"


    As reports trickle out from Steve Jobs's closed-door "town hall" meeting with Apple employees about the company's future plans, one thing is clear: Jobs has lost none of the fire that has made him one of the most colorful figures in US business. In the gathering, convened to discuss the iPad and other upcoming moves for Apple, Jobs excoriated Adobe Systems as "lazy" for sticking with Flash, which he derided as "buggy," and dismissed rival Google's "don't be evil mantra" with an obscenity. He also built up anticipation for the expected fourth-generation iPhone, calling it an "A+ upgrade."

    Jobs ripped into Adobe, who made no effort this week to hide their frustration at Apple's refusal to support Flash on the iPhone OS family of devices, according to one employee, who reported on the chief executive's remarks to WIRED Magazine under the condition of anonymity.

    They are lazy, they have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
    The Apple CEO saved perhaps his most aggressive and direct challenges for Google, the search giant that has been increasingly coming into competition with Apple as it releases its own mobile phone and moves to solidify its control over mobile ads. Jobs characterized his reaction as a defensive one, protecting Apple's business interests from attack.

    We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s [BS].” Audience roars.
    Jobs bolstered persistent rumors indicating that the fourth generation iPhone will be packaged as an Android killer. MacRumors is covering reports - which it had not yet independently confirmed at the time of posting - that he said the new phone would be an "A+ upgrade" to the iPhone 3GS, and that "Apple will deliver aggressive updates to the iPhone in a move the company hope Google's Android effort won't be able to keep up with."

    Jobs also, asserted, according to MacRumors, that upgrades to the Mac product line in 2010 would "take Apple to the next level," but that Blu-ray isn't likely to make it to any Apple computer anytime soon. He allegedly referred to the high definition DVD format as a "mess," and said that Apple would only put in the development effort to support Blu-ray when the format was more fully adopted by mass market customers. Blu-ray's advanced copy protection systems like AACS, Electronista reports, are more challenging to implement than the CSS encryption used on standard DVDs.

    image via MacLife
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Steve Jobs: Adobe "Lazy," Google "BS," Next iPhone "an A+" started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 61 Comments
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      Quote Originally Posted by aomphantom View Post
      Jobs is full of s**t! The only reason flash is not on the iphone is because it would open the door wide open to user developed games and apps. Flash is an awesome language and 98% of computers have it installed. Everything apple does is to f*** with people. Limiting control of one's property is what mac is all about. If this were not the case we would not need to jailbreak. Gee can't wait for iphone 4g as it may finally have a led flash and maybe oh maybe more space, and maybe a removable battery... All things that could have and should have been on from day one... But of course they had to squeeze every penny out of us with each stupid upgrade. The technology is there and has been there... They are the ones who choose not to use it. F*** apple! Thank god for jailbreak!
      Stop being a whiny little b**ch and buy something else if you don't like it. Oh BTW, mac is the name of a computer, Apple is the name of the company.
    1. onelow99's Avatar
      onelow99 -
      Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
      This is one of the biggest differences between the iPhone and the iPad. The iPhone is designed for a very wide spectrum of users. Where the iPad is for a much more limited gap of users. See, it's not small enough to be as portable as an iPhone, requiring some kind of case and bag to be placed in. But if you're going to replace your laptop with it - then you won't get the "full" notebook experience you would get in a MBP for example. I would be really excited about this product if it had OSX. And of course he's not going to carry his desktop around - not everyone in the workforce is required to work remotely. And those who do already have a notebook. Which we were hoping the iPad replaced - but as of now it falls way short of a notebook.

      So yes - it's somewhere in between a Mac and an iPhone. But I honestly don't see it anywhere near as successful as either of those. We needed a compact Macbook - not an oversized iPod Touch.
      Thank you ADP....

      @ Melnech, You, my friend, are the one thats not very observant. The whole point of my rant was that the iPad is not a very practical piece of equipment. Nobody wants the gap bridged....no one wants to tote around ANOTHER gadget. Just make what I have do it all. I can do 90% of what it can do from my phone, the other 10% I cannot, but if i was gonna tote something around that big, I would much rather carry a laptop that can do more than just play with Apples' apps. So feel free to carry around a 10" iPhone (without the phone, camera, etc).
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      It's not going to be hard for Apple to kill the Android. In fact, I'm surprised Apple let other manufacturers get as close as they have.

      Apple took a chance with the iPhone/ iPod Touch, and it was a HUGE success... but since then they've stagnated, only mildly updating it over the years.

      I'm interested to see what an "A+" upgrade looks like.
    1. Myque's Avatar
      Myque -
      Why did they wait for 4gen iphone to have an A+ update...
    1. stoke234's Avatar
      stoke234 -
      I don't understand why he wants to limit the products his company develops. So flash might be buggy, is he saying the iphone isn't? And that the iPad won't be? Why not give your customers what they want? Your mac books and imacs support flash, wtf Steve? All your competitors support flash and oh yeah Blue Ray.

      Now they've developed a giant ipod touch that you can't fit in your pocket, lol. Use it to browse the web from anywhere, so long as you don't go to a site with flash. "Steve hate flash, grrr. Googer evil, no freinds anymore!" haha
    1. snap1500's Avatar
      snap1500 -
      Sounds like Apple might be the lazy one to me. Either they are lazy or don't know how to get flash working without making their computers crash. Almost all of the sites that everyone visit uses flash. You're telling me that all other computers can run flash and that the "solid" Apple product line will crash? Same with bluray. too lazy to play with the codes.

      For those of you who really though the iPad was going to have all of the cool features you really wanted with the iPhone, you guys still don't know Apple. They will give you the base model first, then their future "upgrades" will start to have the features you long for, one feature per upgrade possibly. Soon well see a cam for pics and videos. then next year, another feature. This is a good way to get people to buy new products every year and to make it look like they have a new product every year. so yea.
    1. Vathgol's Avatar
      Vathgol -
      you know I like Apple, but Steve Jobs really gets on my nerves.....Go do some pushups you basket fruitcake....
    1. uunnzz's Avatar
      uunnzz -
      Someone's got the good drugs...

      Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post
      Jobs ripped into Adobe, who made no effort this week to hide their frustration at Apple's refusal to support Flash on the iPhone OS family of devices, according to one employee, who reported on the chief executive's remarks to WIRED Magazine under the condition of anonymity.
      Once again Apple does what it wants and fails to do what customers want and support what everyone else supports.

      Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post
      The Apple CEO saved perhaps his most aggressive and direct challenges for Google, the search giant that has been increasingly coming into competition with Apple as it releases its own mobile phone and moves to solidify its control over mobile ads. Jobs characterized his reaction as a defensive one, protecting Apple's business interests from attack.
      Google is competing because Apple is a giant cock-blocker and can't make decent hardware or software and is constantly falling behind.

      Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post
      Jobs bolstered persistent rumors indicating that the fourth generation iPhone will be packaged as an Android killer. MacRumors is covering reports - which it had not yet independently confirmed at the time of posting - that he said the new phone would be an "A+ upgrade" to the iPhone 3GS, and that "Apple will deliver aggressive updates to the iPhone in a move the company hope Google's Android effort won't be able to keep up with."
      I somehow doubt this... come on Steve you rant on about how awesome things are gonna be but they end up being crap.

      Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post
      He allegedly referred to the high definition DVD format as a "mess," and said that Apple would only put in the development effort to support Blu-ray when the format was more fully adopted by mass market customers. Blu-ray's advanced copy protection systems like AACS, Electronista reports, are more challenging to implement than the CSS encryption used on standard DVDs.
      Hmmm for some reason no one else seems to have any issues implementing Blu-ray support...
    1. SquareWheel's Avatar
      SquareWheel -
      Google is like the gentle giant, sure they're still a company, but they support things like open source, net neutrality, and transparency. Apple is the opposite, making every they touch proprietary.
    1. camperchuck's Avatar
      camperchuck -
      i don't think you understand that there is more to flash than just games. lost of sites use it for navigation and content. i develop websites and use it all the time. granted its a pain in the *** but it works great for ads and spicing up a site a little. i wont and refuse to build a whole site in flash. that's when its to much. i just wish they would allow flash so you can use a site to its full potential for navigation, ads and little decorations.


      Quote Originally Posted by rpgpromaster View Post
      i know im glad flash isnt on the phone
      if i wanted to play a flash game i can buy a similar type in the app store or just wait till i get home and use it on my computer
      apple did make the right choice in not including it but should offer a download for the people who do want it. but then apple wouldnt be able to handle the crash complaints
    1. bruinsrme's Avatar
      bruinsrme -
      Quote Originally Posted by onelow99 View Post
      Thank you ADP....

      @ Melnech, You, my friend, are the one thats not very observant. The whole point of my rant was that the iPad is not a very practical piece of equipment. Nobody wants the gap bridged....no one wants to tote around ANOTHER gadget. Just make what I have do it all. I can do 90% of what it can do from my phone, the other 10% I cannot, but if i was gonna tote something around that big, I would much rather carry a laptop that can do more than just play with Apples' apps. So feel free to carry around a 10" iPhone (without the phone, camera, etc).
      There you have it.
      How many people want to carry a cell phone, pda and mp3 player and 3 different chargers around with them.? How many would rather have one device do it all and easily fit into their pocket.
      The ipad is a gadget but for it is something that isn't too practical for my family.
      A netbook has proven its worth for my/our needs. The combo of tethering and a netbook offers a pretty dynamic platform. The ipad, however nice looking it is, is too dependent on other devices.
      It will be interesting to see how it sells and the reviews of the users, not when its first released but 6 months after the release.
    1. smuggler's Avatar
      smuggler -
      go steve! burn google and adobe, burn!
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      I went out and bought a Motorola Cliq for fun to see how it compares to the iPhone and I've got to say that the iPhone still kicks Android's butt. It's the small things that make the iPhone better and you can really tell that Apple thought all those things out. Sure Android has some cool things, but honestly I really don't think it'll take much for Apple to further the gap they have right now with the iPhone 4G. The Google App Store really isn't that good, yeah it has some of the same apps and maybe some that the App Store doesn't have but it doesn't make a difference. It's fun to be able to use the 5 MP camera and the 3G speed with the Cliq, but the phone lags sometimes and the touch screen is not as responsive as the iPhone. From what I've read the Cliq is one of the better Android phone's out there right now, so really I'm not too impressed, Google would really have to step up their game, but I don't think that'll happen unless they start moving Android toward iPhone OS.

      Quote Originally Posted by uunnzz View Post
      Someone's got the good drugs...


      Once again Apple does what it wants and fails to do what customers want and support what everyone else supports.


      Google is competing because Apple is a giant cock-blocker and can't make decent hardware or software and is constantly falling behind.


      I somehow doubt this... come on Steve you rant on about how awesome things are gonna be but they end up being crap.



      Hmmm for some reason no one else seems to have any issues implementing Blu-ray support...
      LOL wow! Why are you using an iPhone?...
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      Quote Originally Posted by uunnzz View Post
      Someone's got the good drugs...


      Once again Apple does what it wants and fails to do what customers want and support what everyone else supports.


      Google is competing because Apple is a giant cock-blocker and can't make decent hardware or software and is constantly falling behind.


      I somehow doubt this... come on Steve you rant on about how awesome things are gonna be but they end up being crap.



      Hmmm for some reason no one else seems to have any issues implementing Blu-ray support...
      Just...wow. Why are you even here?
    1. jordaan's Avatar
      jordaan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rota View Post
      He better be setting us up for something so revolutionary that it even blows the rumors' expectations out of the water, or I will be moving to Android.
      Moving from an iPhone to an Android has to be the dumbest idea you could have. But, suit yourself.
    1. Jomann's Avatar
      Jomann -
      Quote Originally Posted by A.T View Post
      Hmm if they want to beat Googles Android, they need to up their game as the nexus one is just the beginning of awesome Android phones. I'll wait and see if the iPhone 4G th gen is any good, if not I'll stick with iPhone till the second version of the google phone.

      Why doesn't Adobe or someone just bring flash through Cydia!!!! That'll show Jobs.
      flash on iphone = lots of money for adobe
      flash in cydia = no moneys
    1. dsg's Avatar
      dsg -
      ^money through the Cydia store, did you forget it existed?
    1. SquareWheel's Avatar
      SquareWheel -
      Yeah, somehow I doubt a respectable company would sell something through a quasi-legal store.
    1. dsg's Avatar
      dsg -
      yeah, I agree

      though hypothetically if big company's did put things out through a store not controlled by Apple it could open a way to have a freer iPhone/iPod
    1. adsonjustin's Avatar
      adsonjustin -
      I'm scared...