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  • Steve Jobs: Adobe "Lazy," Google "BS," Next iPhone "an A+"


    As reports trickle out from Steve Jobs's closed-door "town hall" meeting with Apple employees about the company's future plans, one thing is clear: Jobs has lost none of the fire that has made him one of the most colorful figures in US business. In the gathering, convened to discuss the iPad and other upcoming moves for Apple, Jobs excoriated Adobe Systems as "lazy" for sticking with Flash, which he derided as "buggy," and dismissed rival Google's "don't be evil mantra" with an obscenity. He also built up anticipation for the expected fourth-generation iPhone, calling it an "A+ upgrade."

    Jobs ripped into Adobe, who made no effort this week to hide their frustration at Apple's refusal to support Flash on the iPhone OS family of devices, according to one employee, who reported on the chief executive's remarks to WIRED Magazine under the condition of anonymity.

    They are lazy, they have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
    The Apple CEO saved perhaps his most aggressive and direct challenges for Google, the search giant that has been increasingly coming into competition with Apple as it releases its own mobile phone and moves to solidify its control over mobile ads. Jobs characterized his reaction as a defensive one, protecting Apple's business interests from attack.

    We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s [BS].” Audience roars.
    Jobs bolstered persistent rumors indicating that the fourth generation iPhone will be packaged as an Android killer. MacRumors is covering reports - which it had not yet independently confirmed at the time of posting - that he said the new phone would be an "A+ upgrade" to the iPhone 3GS, and that "Apple will deliver aggressive updates to the iPhone in a move the company hope Google's Android effort won't be able to keep up with."

    Jobs also, asserted, according to MacRumors, that upgrades to the Mac product line in 2010 would "take Apple to the next level," but that Blu-ray isn't likely to make it to any Apple computer anytime soon. He allegedly referred to the high definition DVD format as a "mess," and said that Apple would only put in the development effort to support Blu-ray when the format was more fully adopted by mass market customers. Blu-ray's advanced copy protection systems like AACS, Electronista reports, are more challenging to implement than the CSS encryption used on standard DVDs.

    image via MacLife
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Steve Jobs: Adobe "Lazy," Google "BS," Next iPhone "an A+" started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 61 Comments
    1. lothariorowe's Avatar
      lothariorowe -
      Quote Originally Posted by M4tt Dam0n View Post
      They better f*cking not disappoint... if they fail as much as the ipad I don't think I'll keep going with Apple. We can already assume flash won't come to the iPhone which really sucks. I don't think it's a matter of whats the better technology but what's the most popular and right now it is flash. I don't understand the hate for it seriously.

      They better bring that damn front facing cam or else I'll be too pissed lol.
      Oh come on, get over yourself. You aren't going anywhere. You will continue using apple products because they are the best, and there's a reason why - technological progress depends on them.

      Here's a quote:

      The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

      óGEORGE BERNARD SHAW, "MAXIMS FOR REVOLUTIONISTS", MAN AND
      SUPERMAN, 1903

      Rejecting flash, however it inconvenient it may be, will force progress.
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
      I'm pretty sure that Daring Fireball has made it clear that they were paraphrasing what Steve said and blowing all of it way out of proportion and context, so all you guys can get off your knees now. Steve Jobs isn't stupid. He wouldn't bash a partner like Google like this, it would be worse for him and Apple in the long run.

      And saying that most of app crashes on a Mac are because of flash is a huge load of ********. I just tried to open a new tab to go to daringfireball.net and Safari locked up tighter than a drum for a good 45 seconds. iTunes doesn't use flash and crashes regularly when I try and sync my phone. Good thing Safari got with Chrome and started treating plugin crashes so they wouldn't bring down the whole browser. Way to go there Apple.

      Flash isn't on the iPad/iPhone/iPod because it does suck like they say. I don't want stupid ads, crappy games, and any more security exploits that I don't already have thanks. But anything Apple doesn't do to their hardware or software is solely to lock you into their ecosystem. If you think that's not the reason they don't support Blu-Ray, HDMI or any other format they don't like you're a moron.

      "Don't support Blu-Ray? Why there's iTunes over there just waiting for you to buy/rent movies that aren't true hi-def. Go buy a few! Don't have the video outputs you need? Here's a few adapters we can ding you 30 bucks for! What's that? Your headphones don't fit in the port on your iPhone? That sucks. Hey we've got these awesome headphones with a clicky thing that fits right in there, only 30 bucks and they're yours!"

      *Disclaimer* I love Apple, and I'll never buy another PC as long as they are superior.
    1. dsg's Avatar
      dsg -
      Quote Originally Posted by k.nitsua View Post
      Apple doesn't care that flash is popular. They don't follow trends, they make them.
      By making arrogant arses out of all of us

      Edit: Apple has become the very thing they hated, It's iSad lol
    1. alghawas's Avatar
      alghawas -
      This is absolutely amazing!
      I really loved this news!
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Out of all that is said I am happy that they at least view android as comeptition. Maybe this way we will see a nicer upgrade to the iphone hardware and maybe even software. As to the statement about flash and how html5 is what people are moving to... I remember him saying something similar about MMS versus e-mail.
    1. mbeezy81's Avatar
      mbeezy81 -
      "Patiently" waiting for the "Big" future updates and 4th Gen iPhone...
    1. mrrippey's Avatar
      mrrippey -
      Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
      dude he sounds like a major a$.

      he's taking shots at some big companies.
      I read a book in Jobs and from the book, it does sound like he is an a$$hole. Brilliant but an a$$hole nonetheless.

      My professor said in class, "great artist steal and Jobs is a great artist."

      take that for what is worth.

      Rippey
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Hmm if they want to beat Googles Android, they need to up their game as the nexus one is just the beginning of awesome Android phones. I'll wait and see if the iPhone 4G th gen is any good, if not I'll stick with iPhone till the second version of the google phone.

      Why doesn't Adobe or someone just bring flash through Cydia!!!! That'll show Jobs.
    1. carlos916's Avatar
      carlos916 -
      Steve-o jobs for President!!! hahahha
    1. onelow99's Avatar
      onelow99 -
      Apple is always gonna make sure that at the end of the day thay they are in control. The iPad...it's pretty, but is it really that functional?? I can do evertyhing it does from my 3G. And as far as what iWork...who cares. I can do that on my desktop. You cant download anything but Apple apps to it...WTF? They lock it down so all you can do benifits them. F*** that. Bring it Apple....lets see what you got. I see more and more ppl are dropping iPhones and going to the Android Platform. Stop talkin sh** and put ur money where ur mouth is. And the Blu-Ray statement...is he serious? Blu-Ray has no competition....even if they did, nothing even supports over 1080p, so why would anyone change? Seems to me Blu-Ray will be around for a while....unless they plan to take over that market too........
    1. icreepin's Avatar
      icreepin -
      Its both funny and strange at what apple does some times. I think jobs learned a ton from gates back in the day after apple stole the gui from xerox and M$ stole it from apple.

      jobs reminds me of the villin off of the movie anti trust
    1. Melech518's Avatar
      Melech518 -
      I love Jobs! I think we could be friends

      Quote Originally Posted by onelow99 View Post
      Apple is always gonna make sure that at the end of the day thay they are in control. The iPad...it's pretty, but is it really that functional?? I can do evertyhing it does from my 3G. And as far as what iWork...who cares. I can do that on my desktop. You cant download anything but Apple apps to it...WTF? They lock it down so all you can do benifits them. F*** that. Bring it Apple....lets see what you got. I see more and more ppl are dropping iPhones and going to the Android Platform. Stop talkin sh** and put ur money where ur mouth is. And the Blu-Ray statement...is he serious? Blu-Ray has no competition....even if they did, nothing even supports over 1080p, so why would anyone change? Seems to me Blu-Ray will be around for a while....unless they plan to take over that market too........
      I loled! You must not be very observant...

      I can do evertyhing it does from my 3G. And as far as what iWork...who cares. I can do that on my desktop.
      That is the whole reason the iPad exists, it bridges the gap between the iPhone and Mac product lines. You can do it on your desktop eh? I would love to see you carry around your desktop with you everywhere you go. Yea, you might be able to do a lot of the same things on an iPhone, but the iPhone has a 3.5 inch screen opposed to a 10" screen
    1. adp's Avatar
      adp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
      That is the whole reason the iPad exists, it bridges the gap between the iPhone and Mac product lines. You can do it on your desktop eh? I would love to see you carry around your desktop with you everywhere you go. Yea, you might be able to do a lot of the same things on an iPhone, but the iPhone has a 3.5 inch screen opposed to a 10" screen
      This is one of the biggest differences between the iPhone and the iPad. The iPhone is designed for a very wide spectrum of users. Where the iPad is for a much more limited gap of users. See, it's not small enough to be as portable as an iPhone, requiring some kind of case and bag to be placed in. But if you're going to replace your laptop with it - then you won't get the "full" notebook experience you would get in a MBP for example. I would be really excited about this product if it had OSX. And of course he's not going to carry his desktop around - not everyone in the workforce is required to work remotely. And those who do already have a notebook. Which we were hoping the iPad replaced - but as of now it falls way short of a notebook.

      So yes - it's somewhere in between a Mac and an iPhone. But I honestly don't see it anywhere near as successful as either of those. We needed a compact Macbook - not an oversized iPod Touch.
    1. ecd5000's Avatar
      ecd5000 -
      interesting to hear this cant wait to see what amazing features steve rolls out with. the next iphone a A+, that sounds to good to be true but we just gotta wait and see, im waiting in anticipation for the next phon3
    1. tudtran's Avatar
      tudtran -
      Apple is going for a kill. Can't wait for the next iPhone
    1. jordanemmet's Avatar
      jordanemmet -
      In a recent Gizmodo post 8 (or so reasons) were listed as to why the iPad sucks - 8 Things That Suck About the iPad - apple ipad - Gizmodo

      I think if the following things are not a part of the iPhone refresh we are all waiting for this year, iPhone 4 or whatever they call it can be considered as colossal of a letdown as the iPad:

      1. Multitasking- the tech is there, consumer demand is there, Apple needs to get it done, plain and simple.

      2. UI updates- Android and other competitors are pumping out some pretty attractive software recently, and Apple is way behind. The black and blue has got to go.

      3. Notification System- As the "DROID" commercials have pointed out, there is a better way to do a native notification system than obtrusive pop-ups that stop you from what you are doing (GRiP anyone???)

      4. (This is item is not so much a requirement, but just seems to be a natural progression and would seem to be a glaring omission if not included) Customization/Modification- Anyone who has ever used Winterboard knows its an iPhone speed/performance killer, and it appears Apple is loosing the grip on forcing everyone to stare at their App icons in the black abyss, based on the photos and video of the iPad. Again, not a deal breaker like the previous three, but it would just be a little ridiculous to leave out.


      Anything I didn't include that you guys think is an essential upgrade for the next version of iPhone?
    1. bunnyspost's Avatar
      bunnyspost -
      GG apple, relationships mean nothing when you have a mass share like AT&T exclusivity. also GG when trashing adobe, google, and blu-ray. at least third-party and PC manufactures take the leap to put bleeding edge technology into consumers hands (that is not 99% proprietary might I add). Sure apple drops some really great products but at what cost? a pussy on a pedestal...
    1. Kroo's Avatar
      Kroo -
      Quote Originally Posted by snoozkewl View Post
      Flash isn't buggy, devices are buggy for not running one of the most used web technologies.
      Idiot. It stalls and crashes Safari and Firefox constantly and Windows users comment on the same . Thank god for clicktoflash. You can drive a truck through the holes in its security, and Firefox is dropping support for it too. Sorry you're in love with popular kiddy flash games, but time for Adobe to drop into the 21st century.
    1. swifty7's Avatar
      swifty7 -
      I would love the 4g to have an oled screen with maybe a higher resolution and high quality 720p video recording which I'm sure we will not get.
    1. DaCodec's Avatar
      DaCodec -
      A+ for Steve... The new iPhone will enable Apple to make even *M*O*R*E* money off of us :P