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  • Competitors, Experts Weigh in on Retina Display


    Apple announced the Retina Display on the new iPhone 4 with much fanfare, calling it "the sharpest, most vibrant, highest-resolution phone screen ever." The bold claims have led to pushback, with a competing manufacturer saying that the Retina Display is a battery hog and can't touch OLED displays. An analyst, meanwhile, contradicted Steve Jobs's claim that the human eye can't detect individual picture elements at a density below 300 pixels per inch.

    Steve Jobs bragged that the new iPhone's LCD screen, reportedly made by LG Innotek, outperforms active-matrix organic LED (AMOLED) displays such as those on the Samsung Galaxy S. Samsung hit back against Jobs's claim that the Retina Display has “much more accurate color, and much higher resolution," with a spokesperson telling the Korea Herald newspaper that their AMOLED screens beat the Retina Displays contrast ratio, color reproduction, and response time. “Structurally," the spokesman said "IPS LCD technology cannot catch up with AM-OLED display technology." The Samsung spokesman claimed that the "visible" difference between the 960x640 Retina Display and Samsung's 800x480 Super AMOLED was only "3 to 5 percent," but that the added resolution cut battery life by 30%.

    The claim that the human eye can only discern jagged edges at a density above 300 pixels per inch was disputed by an expert. In an email sent out to numerous media outlets, including Gizmodo and PC World, Dr. Raymond Soneira asserted that the retina can identify individual points at an angular measurement of 50 cycles per degree, or 0.6 arcseconds. He translated this to explain that "if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes that works out to 477 pixels per inch. At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold it out 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi." Nevertheless, Dr. Soneira said, the Retina Display is "most likely the best mobile display in production (and I can't wait to test it)." However, he added, this is another example of spec exaggeration."

    Other experts noted that, while people with perfect, 20/20 vision might be able to see pixels from a foot away, for most of us the display will look smooth. So there's a little wiggle room left for Steve Jobs, and his general drift is still solid: this is a wicked sharp screen.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Competitors, Experts Weigh in on Retina Display started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 61 Comments
    1. porshh951's Avatar
      porshh951 -
      Quote Originally Posted by GellBrake'rrrr View Post
      I thought the reason apple didn't go with the amoled screens was due to lack of quantity.... Not hiked prices.
      I'd bet more to do with price. There is no way the retna display is as good as OLED. We all know that. Battery life will be the biggest downfall because, OLED are extremely energy efficient. However I don't think any of us will care.

      After all doesn't everyone have a charger in their office, car, home already. Battery life has never been an issue for me with the iphone and given the marginal increase in resolution versus the price hike. I think apple made the right choice.
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      Samsung??? They still make phones?
    1. pnutx007's Avatar
      pnutx007 -
      my a/v guru told me never buy a samsung blu-ray player.


      lol.

      just saying.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by porshh951 View Post
      I'd bet more to do with price
      I think you would lose that bet.

      Samsung simply can't produce the AMOLED displays in the quantities necessary for the iPhone.

      It will be interesting to see actual comarisons once the iPhone 4 is released.
    1. Dizzy714's Avatar
      Dizzy714 -
      No you have to hold it 18 inches away to not see any pixels! Gosh!

      They're digging way too far to create drama an controversy, lol.
    1. EskimoRuler's Avatar
      EskimoRuler -
      I don't care if the screen can be scratched or if steve jobs is exaggerating because Im getting the iPhone 4 no matter!!
    1. eZStaR's Avatar
      eZStaR -
      Can't wait for new iphone, or what it is capable of. I recently installed and jailbroke the iOS GM release on my itouch, and it's already capable of doing for than any Android phone LOL.
    1. sekazi's Avatar
      sekazi -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dayvidpriddy View Post
      Uhm the glass has always been "scratch resistant." On my 2G phone (before I trashed it) I had to take a sharp screw and dig, dig and dig before I could get it to scratch the screen. This is nothing new. There is no need to put any kind of screen protector on the screens, you are just adding junk to the phone that is not needed, not to mention putting cash in those accessory companies pockets like Zagg...those screen protectors are total junk, are a pain to put on not to mention having water all over your display, inside the button, headphone jack, etc...it's absolute garbage and you all are making these rip off companies richer by the day. Zagg is the biggest, pimped out company out of them all, it's nothing but over rated junk where you think you need it. You don't need it!
      A grain of sand scratched my old iPod touch 2g glass less than a month after owning it. After that I have always used screen protectors.

      Just like everything else in the world you must follow Meyer's law to scratch resistance. Anything harder than glass will scratch the screen just like the grain of sand scratched mine. I bet if you took a diamond and put it on you screen instead of a softo screw it wuld have scratched very quickly.

      My big gripe just like any other touch screen is finger prints. So I will be looking for a front and back matte protector but so far it looks like my new iPhone 4 will have to go naked for awhile until I find a set of matte screen protectors for it.
    1. crazyarab1029's Avatar
      crazyarab1029 -
      +1
      Quote Originally Posted by brokentwice View Post
      There will always be haters no matter what ..
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by porshh951 View Post
      I'd bet more to do with price. There is no way the retna display is as good as OLED. We all know that. Battery life will be the biggest downfall because, OLED are extremely energy efficient. However I don't think any of us will care.

      After all doesn't everyone have a charger in their office, car, home already. Battery life has never been an issue for me with the iphone and given the marginal increase in resolution versus the price hike. I think apple made the right choice.
      The new phone has a bigger battery so just imagine the life once the amoleds are pushed out
    1. eortizr's Avatar
      eortizr -
      the screen is so small, it is a waste...
    1. ElliotCross's Avatar
      ElliotCross -
      Thank you! I keep looking at my 3Gs going... I don't get it... this is beautiful! Make it 4 times better (That's what the new one is right?) And I'm in! Either way, people are going to love love LOVE this device and there will ALWAYS be someone throwing a gauntlet about how something was exaggerated or embellished and hating on it! 6/24/2010 here I come!
    1. porshh951's Avatar
      porshh951 -
      Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
      I think you would lose that bet.

      Samsung simply can't produce the AMOLED displays in the quantities necessary for the iPhone.

      It will be interesting to see actual comarisons once the iPhone 4 is released.
      You bring up a good point. I'm sure that's a factor as well.
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Apple should use AMOLED instead of LCD in there Retina Display next year but I doubt they will...
    1. jabregousmc's Avatar
      jabregousmc -
      Quote Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
      A grain of sand scratched my old iPod touch 2g glass less than a month after owning it. After that I have always used screen protectors.

      Just like everything else in the world you must follow Meyer's law to scratch resistance. Anything harder than glass will scratch the screen just like the grain of sand scratched mine. I bet if you took a diamond and put it on you screen instead of a softo screw it wuld have scratched very quickly.

      My big gripe just like any other touch screen is finger prints...
      i agree with you man. my 3g spent 7 months with me over in the middle-east and let me tell you guys, the iphone screen will scratch from daily use! the back is all scratched to hell and the screen has a couple good scratches that are noticeable and a lot of small ones that you can see w/ the screen off and looking at an angle (and no, i never took a screw to it, lol). and that is why i'm upgrading! well that and it's definitely time for an upgrade from the 3g!
    1. hollow0's Avatar
      hollow0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by j.castellon View Post
      interesting, the iphone display is beautiful as it is.
      i have to see the glory of this retina display
      Yeah, that's so true. I can definitely tell even from videos that it is good. I can't wait to have it in my hands and see it for myself with my own eyes.
    1. jabregousmc's Avatar
      jabregousmc -
      btw, there are a few reasons that apple isnt going with AMOLED screens yet.

      1) they're expensive because nobody is mass producing them yet.
      2) there's still problems with them because they are so new.

      and they're not all that much better on battery than what apple has currently. look at any review and ask anyone w/ a droid, evo, or incredible...they're battery life is GARBAGE too! w/ the bigger battery in the iphone 4 i'm sure the screen that apple used will be just fine and we all know that they usually make a pretty good product so i dont think we'll be all that disappointed. i for one cant wait to see it in action!
    1. rkswat's Avatar
      rkswat -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dayvidpriddy View Post
      ......Uhm the glass has always been "scratch resistant."...... There is no need to put any kind of screen protector on the screens, you are just adding junk to the phone that is not needed, not to mention putting cash in those accessory companies pockets like Zagg...those screen protectors are total junk, are a pain to put on not to mention having water all over your display, inside the button, headphone jack, etc...it's absolute garbage and you all are making these rip off companies richer by the day. Zagg is the biggest, pimped out company out of them all, it's nothing but over rated junk where you think you need it. You don't need it!
      Wow what an arrogant post. Of course your opinion is yours and I won't discount that but what makes you make blanket statements that don't apply to every one? I love my IS, had no problem putting it on, and managed not to be a spaz and kept the phone nice and dry. My original iPhone's screen scratched in my backpack with my keys.
    1. Faxmonkey's Avatar
      Faxmonkey -
      Quote Originally Posted by pauldanielash View Post
      Apple announced the Retina Display on the new iPhone 4 with much fanfare, calling it "the sharpest, most vibrant, highest-resolution phone screen ever."

      Well that much isn't true. LG had an asian market phone, the LG-LU1400, that was 333 PPI, making it the winner of that competition. Note that LG is making the screen for this phone as well, so you can't really argue that Apple is using a "higher quality" part either.
    1. nautical79's Avatar
      nautical79 -
      Theres no doubt that amoled displays are better than the retina display, what you havent consider its that iphone is using glass and samsung use some type of clear plastic.

      everything hangs in the eye of the beholder