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  • Google Could Yank YouTube from Apple Over Skirmish



    If you thought the imbroglio between Apple and Adobe was heated, perhaps the brewing tension between Apple and Google will make the Adobe quarrel look like a lover's spat. Unlike the bedrock of rumors that often drive the tech blogosphere, what we know about Google is concrete - the search engine giant isn't taking kindly to being effectively locked-out of Apple's new iAds platform.

    When the first generation iPhone was introduced, Apple and Google had an enormously positive relationship. After all, one of the coolest attributes of this new thing called the iPhone in 2007 was the YouTube app, which came about as a result of close ties between the two companies and their chief executives. But that was the past. And the present is pointing to a turn for the worse between these former "friends." Who's to blame? In this case, Apple has clearly irked it's old chum by rolling out the very ambitious iAd platform that officially commences July 1st with better than $60 million in major advertising commitments already in place. According to Steve Jobs, iAds may capture nearly half of the entire mobile advertising market share by the end of 2010.

    Google's anger, of course, is the product of being shut out of iAds. More specifically, Apple is excluding AdMob, the biggest mobile advertising firm in the world, and the biggest acquisition (by Google) observed in the mobile ad space to date. While Steve Jobs says Apple isn't seeking to be anti-competitive, regulators disagree and plan to investigate Apple’s clear anti-Google posturing. Ultimately, however, regulators may not be able to punish Apple as badly as Google could.

    There is rampant talk that Google could cut off Apple and its myriad products from YouTube, delivering a massive contact blow to the runaway success of Apple's mobile devices that, quiet frankly, now seem ingrained as going hand-in-hand with YouTube. But will Google actually go through with it or some other form of payback? Unless Apple changes its restrictive policies in a hurry, there's an excellent possibility that Google won't go quietly into the night.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Google Could Yank YouTube from Apple Over Skirmish started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 85 Comments
    1. boe_dye's Avatar
      boe_dye -
      Quote Originally Posted by DayumQuitPlayin View Post
      Are you guys stupid? You can watch YouTube in Safari. Don't need flash to view YouTube on iPhones.
      I believe it's because it's redirected into the actual YouTube App.

      Never the less, it's all because of the h.264 codec. Youtube used to be all flash based, but after the iPhone/Pod they basically decided to convert all their video's into h.264, which is why some of the videos (by some I mean the older videos) still don't play.

      They could easily cripple all video streaming by removing h.264 support and go onto something else.
    1. anekin007's Avatar
      anekin007 -
      mobile ads is a huge market. google wants in and if apple is in its way. google will run over apple.
    1. cypherpunk's Avatar
      cypherpunk -
      Apple has every right to block Google's ads on its platform, just as Google has every right to disallow Aids on Android. I really don't see what the problem is here.
    1. jvallesteros's Avatar
      jvallesteros -
      google made droid to compete with the iPhone. no complaining from steve. so steve made his own ads, iAd. and now google is crying. get over it.

      and everyone that comes here to announce that they're "glad they got the evo instead of the iPhone4"....lemme ask you this, how can you compare them when you havent even had an iPhone4 in your hands?
    1. elbodude's Avatar
      elbodude -
      Quote Originally Posted by itmustbejj View Post
      Not to start a flame war, but I did. I got sick of Apple and I got an Evo 4g and I couldn't be happier. I feel even better about my decision after seeing the iPhone 4

      iPhone/iPad without Flash and YouTube.....better get here quick H264Tube.com

      I did the same thing and I am not looking back!
    1. ForumSnoBorderRK's Avatar
      ForumSnoBorderRK -
      haha whoa!!!! what if google completely blocks all youtube videos from being watched on an iOS platform....
      that is truly what one can call "PAYBACK".

      even though I have an iPhone and that would be MISERABLE,
      i would completely agree with google's decision. thats just straight up LAME.
    1. zakspop's Avatar
      zakspop -
      Correct me if I am wrong but I don't remember Steve saying Admob wasn't going to be allowed just that they created iAd and it is better. Personally I can't stand Admob. It pops up in some apps and covers controls etc. and if you accidentally tap them they quit your app and run the browser to go to the ad page.

      Also one other person mentioned that if Apple hadn't created iAd, Google wouldn't have been allowed to acquire admob.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      Quote Originally Posted by jvallesteros View Post
      google made droid to compete with the iPhone. no complaining from steve. so steve made his own ads, iAd. and now google is crying. get over it.

      and everyone that comes here to announce that they're "glad they got the evo instead of the iPhone4"....lemme ask you this, how can you compare them when you havent even had an iPhone4 in your hands?
      Not much to compare. The iPhone hasn't really changed at all. First iPhone started with 4gb then 8, 16, and finally 32. Second iPhone, added 3G support and made into plastic. iPhone 3GS, .... Made slightly slimmer and a little bit faster. iPhone 4 made of glass, has a front camera so you can video chat within wifi range. Better display. A little faster.

      The evo is like the whole package plus its 4g ready. It's kinda investing for the future.
    1. zakspop's Avatar
      zakspop -
      Here is the questionable bit.


      3.3.9 You and Your Applications may not collect, use, or disclose to any third party, user or device data without prior user consent, and then only under the following conditions:

      - The collection, use or disclosure is necessary in order to provide a service or function that is directly relevant to the use of the Application. For example, without Apple’s prior written consent, You may not use third party analytics software in Your Application to collect and send device data to a third party for aggregation, processing, or analysis.

      - The collection, use or disclosure is for the purpose of serving advertising to Your Application; is provided to an independent advertising service provider whose primary business is serving mobile ads (for example, an advertising service provider owned by or affiliated with a developer or distributor of mobile devices, mobile operating systems or development environments other than Apple would not qualify as independent); and the disclosure is limited to UDID, user location data, and other data specifically designated by Apple as available for advertising purposes.
    1. rioswag's Avatar
      rioswag -
      Never watched youtube or used maps anyway, and even if google was dumb enough to do that, don't you think Apple would make something jus as good if not better, and have all the iphone, ipod, ipad, and mac users using it??
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bluprint View Post
      The evo is like the whole package plus its 4g ready. It's kinda investing for the future.
      Except for the whole hardware fragmentation. I like Android. I really, really do but having 15-20 phones running 5-6 vastly different firmwares has to be a nightmare for developers. It's strength (variety) is its biggest weakness.

      6 months from now the EVO will be forgotten by whatever new Android hotness is released, it'll be called an iPhone killer, underperform in sales like every other Android phones, then next summer the next iPhone will blow whatever "competition" exists. Then the cycle repeats itself.

      With the iPhone, its weakness is its strength. The iPhone remains essentially unchanged. Apps developed for it work on the majority* of iPhones, iPods, and iPads. You don't have to worry about a dozen different UIs or radically different hardware.

      As far as this Google/Apple war, nothing will come out of this. Youtube is an open behemoth and iPhones are a large chunk of the mobile market. Google is not just going to cut that from their revenue.
    1. jvallesteros's Avatar
      jvallesteros -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bluprint View Post
      The evo is like the whole package plus its 4g ready. It's kinda investing for the future.
      The Sprint 4G coverage sorta sucks. and isnt sprint cdma? does that mean you can't use voice and data at the same time? also, being the first 4g network and being the first 4g device doesnt necessarily mean its the best. i'd rather wait for a network and company to fully perfect, or close to perfection, 4g technology. just my opinion.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Quote Originally Posted by jvallesteros View Post
      The Sprint 4G coverage sorta sucks. and isnt sprint cdma? does that mean you can't use voice and data at the same time? also, being the first 4g network and being the first 4g device doesnt necessarily mean its the best. i'd rather wait for a network and company to fully perfect, or close to perfection, 4g technology. just my opinion.
      Sorta?

      Sprint-Welcome

      It's like 40 cities (in 13 states) nationwide and like 12 of those are in Texas. If you're getting an EVO, chances are it's NOT for the 4G. And it's not really "4G", its WiMAX or something like that. The speeds are fast as hell, but it's not the same "4G" Verizon and AT&T will begin rolling in a year or two.
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      It would be a brutal blow to both companies
    1. itmustbejj's Avatar
      itmustbejj -
      For those of you who say I can just use safari for youtube...one word...hulu. google can block idevices from accessing youtube...but they won't.

      Android releases are getting synced better and fragmentation will decrease. As an iphone convert I LOVE android. Iphone jailbreakers work so hard to create a platform that already exists natively on android. I got tired of apple serving their interests and not mine so I'm done. Its my device let me do what I want with it.
    1. 3gs1289's Avatar
      3gs1289 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Happy Noodle Boy;5282827
      6 months from now the EVO will be forgotten by whatever new Android hotness is released, it'll be called an iPhone killer, underperform in sales like every other Android phones, then next summer the next iPhone will blow whatever "competition" exists. Then the cycle repeats itself.
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      ummmmmmm no...

      "The ever-hot battle between the iPhone and Android took another unexpected turn this week, with analytics firm Flurry revealing it believes Motorola's Droid handset sold its first one million units quicker than the iPhone."

    1. GrandMstrBud's Avatar
      GrandMstrBud -
      Quote Originally Posted by itmustbejj View Post
      Not to start a flame war, but I did. I got sick of Apple and I got an Evo 4g and I couldn't be happier. I feel even better about my decision after seeing the iPhone 4

      iPhone/iPad without Flash and YouTube.....better get here quick H264Tube.com
      Same here only I got a nexus one and I'm loving it. It does everything the iPhone does and I also get 3G on T-Mobiles network.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Google would never have been allowed to purchase Admob if it weren't for Apple rolling out iAD. So this is another serious rumor mill water cooler drama scene. Besides, it would not be a big loss if you couldn't youtube on the iPhone. Most of them look like crap anyways.
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      Couple of things:

      1. The "underperform" part of my post specifically referred to the nexus one. Thanks for proving my point :P

      2. Are these US only sales? (with what Im assuming are AT&T iPhone sales vs. Verizon Droid sales?) in which case I concede the point on a nationwide level. But look at global sales and the picture changes dramatically. Hell, i'd say look at platform (iOS vs Android) but there's simply no way to compare a phone OS against an OS found on a media player and a tablet.

      3. It will take time to get good solid numbers but there is no way you're going to see figures like that from the EVO while it's on Sprint. Which is sad because the EVO is one of the sexiest pieces of technology ever.

      I just realized that chart is about the Droid vs the FIRST GEN iPhone.

      That's like comparing the 3G against the G1.

      And if you can't be bothered to look it up. The 3G sold 1 million units worldwide DURING ITS LAUNCH WEEKEND. 3 days.
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      I was wondering if it was the first gen iPhone or not. Those sales were nothing compared to the 3G or 3GS.