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  • Google Could Yank YouTube from Apple Over Skirmish



    If you thought the imbroglio between Apple and Adobe was heated, perhaps the brewing tension between Apple and Google will make the Adobe quarrel look like a lover's spat. Unlike the bedrock of rumors that often drive the tech blogosphere, what we know about Google is concrete - the search engine giant isn't taking kindly to being effectively locked-out of Apple's new iAds platform.

    When the first generation iPhone was introduced, Apple and Google had an enormously positive relationship. After all, one of the coolest attributes of this new thing called the iPhone in 2007 was the YouTube app, which came about as a result of close ties between the two companies and their chief executives. But that was the past. And the present is pointing to a turn for the worse between these former "friends." Who's to blame? In this case, Apple has clearly irked it's old chum by rolling out the very ambitious iAd platform that officially commences July 1st with better than $60 million in major advertising commitments already in place. According to Steve Jobs, iAds may capture nearly half of the entire mobile advertising market share by the end of 2010.

    Google's anger, of course, is the product of being shut out of iAds. More specifically, Apple is excluding AdMob, the biggest mobile advertising firm in the world, and the biggest acquisition (by Google) observed in the mobile ad space to date. While Steve Jobs says Apple isn't seeking to be anti-competitive, regulators disagree and plan to investigate Apple’s clear anti-Google posturing. Ultimately, however, regulators may not be able to punish Apple as badly as Google could.

    There is rampant talk that Google could cut off Apple and its myriad products from YouTube, delivering a massive contact blow to the runaway success of Apple's mobile devices that, quiet frankly, now seem ingrained as going hand-in-hand with YouTube. But will Google actually go through with it or some other form of payback? Unless Apple changes its restrictive policies in a hurry, there's an excellent possibility that Google won't go quietly into the night.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Google Could Yank YouTube from Apple Over Skirmish started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 85 Comments
    1. durdan1's Avatar
      durdan1 -
      I think google is putting their nose in everyones business , they wanted to compete with iPhone making the droid os ,on and so forth, you did not see apple complaining about that but just trying to make a better OS for their phones and line of products but Now that apple is stepping on their money making machine which is advertising they don,t like it.
    1. Antman217's Avatar
      Antman217 -
      If google does yank all their stuff off the iPhone I bet apple would eventually make their own like when they made their own iCal and Mail apps when Microsoft didn't release Outlook for Mac. I bet apple's versions of YouTube and Maps would be even better. HTML5Tube lol

      Btw you can watch YouTube from the Safari app. I can't believe people still don't know this.
    1. oOo ANDR3W oOo's Avatar
      oOo ANDR3W oOo -
      I don't think google would do that but if they did...I'm sure there would be some kind of hack to get it back!
    1. the french bum's Avatar
      the french bum -
      If google maps and youtube disappeared from my iPhone I wouldn't give 2 shits. There are other map apps that are far superior. And youtube is filled with mostly underage dipshits filming themselves lip-syncing to whatever popular song is out. Woopde ******* doo.
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Personally, I'm disgusted with the entire iAd and Admob concept as it is.
    1. RKirk7741's Avatar
      RKirk7741 -
      Even if youtube gets pulled, let us remember, there will always be:

      1. Past Firmwares
      2. Cracked/Warez versions of youtube
      3. MX Tube
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      That's a good idea. I think google SHOULD pull every service from iOS and make them exclusive to android.

      it would be smart move, now that I'm getting an EVO. lol

      but seriously, It wouldn't hurt apple to play nice.
    1. Slimz's Avatar
      Slimz -
      Maps and YouTube are free enterprise anyway. It's free to anyone who navigates to it.

      Would they really be able to pull it? I can't see that happening.
    1. redcard's Avatar
      redcard -
      Quote Originally Posted by Messany View Post


      There is rampant talk that Google could cut off Apple and its myriad products from YouTube, delivering a massive contact blow to the runaway success of Apple's mobile devices that, quiet frankly, now seem ingrained as going hand-in-hand with YouTube. But will Google actually go through with it or some other form of payback? Unless Apple changes its restrictive policies in a hurry, there's an excellent possibility that Google won't go quietly into the night.
      Rampant talk where? Amongst 12 year olds on blogs. Post me a link to where someone respectable, and with insight into how these two companies operates, has even suggested this is a possibility.

      These are multi-billion dollar companies, not 12 year old school kids.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      Quote Originally Posted by RKirk7741 View Post
      Even if youtube gets pulled, let us remember, there will always be:

      1. Past Firmwares
      2. Cracked/Warez versions of youtube
      3. MX Tube
      yeah but apple is consistently updating and bricking the iphones.. why would anyone really put up wit that anymore. thanks to mmi for being the best around but apple doesn't make this fun.
    1. redcard's Avatar
      redcard -
      Quote Originally Posted by itmustbejj View Post
      Not to start a flame war, but I did. I got sick of Apple and I got an Evo 4g and I couldn't be happier. I feel even better about my decision after seeing the iPhone 4

      iPhone/iPad without Flash and YouTube.....better get here quick H264Tube.com
      Uh, Youtube works fine on the Iphone and Ipad. You obviously don't really have much of a clue, do you?
    1. bignighttrain's Avatar
      bignighttrain -
      Yes that would suck but most of the videos on YouTube (the video quality) sucks & really sucks on my IPad they need to do something about this maybe a new converter or something when your uploading your videos to YouTube. It didn't matter when using on my iPhone but there's a big difference on the iPad and I now search elsewhere for my learning content.
    1. larryolive's Avatar
      larryolive -
      I think apple has every right to block ad mob on games and apps on their device its theirs, but google can still have admob on safaire when browsing becuase thats more open then the os on the iphone. to me it makes more sense. Do I like it? of course not no one does that not on the same pay roll of apple.
      I think google should yank the maps and you tube, theirs no where else that is as good
    1. redcard's Avatar
      redcard -
      Quote Originally Posted by larryolive View Post
      I think apple has every right to block ad mob on games and apps on their device its theirs, but google can still have admob on safaire when browsing becuase thats more open then the os on the iphone. to me it makes more sense. Do I like it? of course not no one does that not on the same pay roll of apple.
      I think google should yank the maps and you tube, theirs no where else that is as good
      Steve admitted it during the keynote. Apple curates the app store, the web is free and open, and people can choose where to develop.
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by DayumQuitPlayin View Post
      Are you guys stupid? You can watch YouTube in Safari. Don't need flash to view YouTube on iPhones.
      Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
      Actually, there's a mobile YouTube site which you can access with your iPhone using Safari....
      I was under the impression that even when you try to use safari to watch YouTube stuff, it automatically routes you to the YouTube app but I could be wrong?
      Maybe not if the video is html5 compatible and you opt into the beta.

      Anywho, there is no reason to fret. To be honest this story is just another in a long line of sensationalistic "journalism" regarding Apple and their various "feuds"
    1. iPhone3G[S]'s Avatar
      iPhone3G[S] -
      LOL, if they yanked it someone would hack it the next day and we would have youtube back...

      plus, it wont happen...
    1. mvhurlburt's Avatar
      mvhurlburt -
      I suppose google could do this however it is contradictory to their overall strategy with HTML5 in chrome and youtube.....They've invested substantial amounts of time, effort and money into converting youtube to HTML5; which can be accessed via Safari on iDevices and they have also pushed it as a key feature of Chrome. It would be unwise of them, at least in a business sense to waste all that money. They will probably change their advertising scheme to push ads through youtube videos either in a ticker at the bottom of the screen or at the end of the video. Maybe through maps too though I'm not familiar with what is outlined in the dev agreement. Google could modify the terms of use for its public API's and services to force ads through those services. Either way there is likely a contract involved but it may be subject to change. Just my two cents.
    1. Ajblue7's Avatar
      Ajblue7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      I don't foresee this simply because I think it would be a childish move on Google's part.

      "I am going to take back my toys if you don't share." - seems kind of stupid. I suspect they will let the courts decide. What is Apple's reasoning for blocking AdMob anyway?
      they wanted to provide better advertising for its users that doesn't involve quitting the app and launching in safari. also, making it easier for developers to have ads and make more quality apps free. Also this prevents google from getting to much power, google should be thanking iAds because without them google would have never got the green light to acquire admob. google is probably the most unoriginal company in the world. Every product they made is copies of others. the only creative thing you can credit them with is their ad system, the main money maker of google. Their ads are so good because they provide your with links to related sponsered sites. even andriod is pretty much a ripoff of apple, just opensource.

      sad part is they have people working for them that are really smart, but smart people aren't the most creative people in the world ya know
    1. Raeki's Avatar
      Raeki -
      Then I'd use MXTube.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by redcard View Post
      Rampant talk where? Amongst 12 year olds on blogs. Post me a link to where someone respectable, and with insight into how these two companies operates, has even suggested this is a possibility.

      These are multi-billion dollar companies, not 12 year old school kids.
      Well, you do understand that Messany is Italian for rumor, right?

      Quote Originally Posted by Ajblue7 View Post
      they wanted to provide better advertising for its users that doesn't involve quitting the app and launching in safari. also, making it easier for developers to have ads and make more quality apps free. Also this prevents google from getting to much power, google should be thanking iAds because without them google would have never got the green light to acquire admob. google is probably the most unoriginal company in the world. Every product they made is copies of others. the only creative thing you can credit them with is their ad system, the main money maker of google. Their ads are so good because they provide your with links to related sponsered sites. even andriod is pretty much a ripoff of apple, just opensource.

      sad part is they have people working for them that are really smart, but smart people aren't the most creative people in the world ya know
      Better advertising is why? Hardly. They wanted money, and more of it.

      Have you ever actually looked at the full product list that Google offers? They do provide more than just youtube and gmail. When looking at their products and services, it's rather tough to claim they just copies off of others any more than every other company tries to improve upon their competitors products/services.