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  • Flash Losing Ground to HTML5 for Web Video


    As the battle for web standards continues to wages on, HTML5 is quickly gaining ground over Flash. According to MeFeedia who recently surveyed sites using both Flash and HTML5 to deliver online video, 54% of web video is now available in HTML5, up from just 10% five months ago. Web developers are quickly making the switch to HTML5 faster than ever, or at least making content available using either standard. Many websites can now tell the difference between devices trying to access online video, then load content using the best format for that particular device.

    Flash may still be the dominant player on desktop computers, but its quickly loosing ground to HTML5. Mobile devices now make up a huge percentage of video streaming and Flash does not work well on the few devices that support it. Adobe has never been able to demonstrate Flash performing satisfactorily to Steve Jobs and because of this, Flash has not been made available for iOS devices. This may change at some point in the future, however, as Apple recently loosened the rules for app developers. iOS users may one day be able to watch Flash content, but I doubt it will be anytime soon. Apple and Adobe are not exactly on the best of term at the moment.

    Flash has a very poor track record when it comes to video performance on mobile devices. As more and more people watch video on their mobile phones, HTML5 is currently the easiest solution for web developers to use. As long as Adobe is unable to improve the performance of Flash on mobile devices, they will never be able to compete with HTML5.

    Steve Jobs offered his Thoughts on Flash six months ago and concluded that Flash was an inferior technology rooted in the past and that the future of web development was HTML5. Now it appears the web is beginning to turn its back on Flash and embrace HTML5, just as Steve predicted.

    Most people canít tell the difference between Flash and HTLM5 content and that is a good thing. As long as there is competition in the marketplace, developers will be forced to continue making innovations in order to survive. This can only be a good thing for you and me. As long as people continue watching their favorite shows online, does it really matter what web standard Hulu is currently using? Back in the good old days the biggest problems watching TV was getting good reception.

    Source: Cult of Mac
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Flash Losing Ground to HTML5 for Web Video started by Wiley John Wright View original post
    Comments 55 Comments
    1. Luppin's Avatar
      Luppin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Antman217 View Post
      Just like USB and 802.11, Apple is going to make HTML 5 the new standard.
      Well first of all Apple tried it's hardest to NOT make USB the standard, they were pushing their own technology called FireWire, and the original iPods could only be synced through FireWire, not USB. It was only when they realized that nobody was going to adopt that they start allowing USB syncing. In regards to the 802.11 standard, it was patented in 1995 and since then there hasn't really been any attempt by another standard to try to compete with it.
    1. CZroe's Avatar
      CZroe -
      I still want YTMND to work and they haven't made an app.

      Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
      Yeah, after using Frash I actually agree with Steve Jobs. Flash SUCKS on iOS devices. I have Frash's main components stored in a zip file so if I REALLY need it I can go into iFile and unzip it. If it wasn't for the fact that it overrides the standard YouTube plug-in I would've kept it usable, I just would have barely used it at all. (sidetrack) Anyways, glad to see a small majority are using HTML5!
      You know, there is an SBSettings toggle you can install.
    1. Tyronal's Avatar
      Tyronal -
      Quote Originally Posted by SnowLeo View Post
      Naw just a lot of money and a lot of screwing over other companies till they listen. Then they try to get away with walling the choices of the customer and get away with it saying its "for the best interest of the cusomer" and get away with crappy hardware and mark it up for luxury and software that doesnt suck. Then when someone like google steps in and shows off software just as good or better... then they step up the hardware.
      How is calling for open standards on embedded web content "walling" choices for the customer?????? Flash is closed, proprietary, you have to buy adobe tools to make flash content and adobe deliberately killed its competition off to get the market dominance it has had for 15 years. They don't improve their plugin, won't optimise it for Linux or OSX and have the "screw you" attitude when anyone complains how much of a dog it is to run. That's why apple didn't want it bricking their devices and crashing the browser.

      So I have to put up with that just because YOU don't want alternatives that are free???? Open your eyes and walk into the 21st century man. Why use a plugin to render video inside my browser using high end cpu to do so when that can be done right inside the browser itself using no more cpu???

      Apple didn't decide this, the market place did and adobe still sits on its hand while crappy mobile flash crashes on every device. *clap clap clap*. Way to treat the end user adobe. The market always gets it right and adobe has just shot itself in the foot, or the head even. Game over, Flash loses.

      Quote Originally Posted by rocky5 View Post
      So what this article tells us is nothing bar more websites now have HTML5 compatibility.

      so
      HTML5 54%
      Flash 100%

      as nearly all sites that support HTML5 were using Flash and probably still do as like the person stated on page 1 that there just opening the doors for a wider audience.

      On a side note I hate Apple forums as some of the users are brain washed numpties that see a head line (or something from Jobs lips) and take it 100% literally, flash is still on nearly ever webpage out there and is still strong, I don't see punk-o-matic (well good game) in HTML5 format or any decent flash game for that matter.

      HTML5 mobile devices
      Flash everything else

      and flash doesn't crash Mac's Jobs quick to point the blame as we found out with the Antennagate fiasco.

      bring on the haters lol
      Nice troll. You obviously haven't used flash on anything else other than your pc. Macromedia wrote flash predominately for the pc over 15 years ago, then when anti trust lawsuits popped up, they had to provide it for the other two platforms. They have treated linux and osx uses like pig dogs. Don't expect anyone from the other side of the computer world to have any respect for adobe or flash.

      No real person cares for flash games let alone have time for them, it's just for pimple face dorks with nothing better to do. HTML5 does the video, javascript and css will eventually do the rest. There are other coding systems out there and whoever does the best to enable gaming inside the browser (no crappy plugins) will win that race. Again, adobe failed to see the new dawn and now it's got burnt. Doesn't matter what you think, the market has chosen, and flash isn't in the show. Suck it up.

      Quote Originally Posted by chris-tt View Post
      I have to agree with everyone who has said this is just a compatibility thing.
      The simple fact is most browsers people are using on the Internet don't support HTML5. More to the point if you're browser supports both Flash & HTML5 most web designers make Flash the default media player.
      Flash is a long way from being dead, I refuse to buy an iPad until there is flash support as it would become my main web browsing device. What's the point if I have to revert back to my laptop/desktop everytime I stumble across a flash webpage I want to view that doesn't support HTML5?
      And what are these most important web pages with flash that you really need to view on an iPad?

      Quote Originally Posted by Christian Bale View Post
      100% agree. Flash isn't being replaced. And 99% of people here are biased brainwashed sheep fanboys.



      I can believe people are actually using Comex's frash to judge Flash performance on iOS devices. I mean come on it sucks because all you've seen is basically an hack made by 16 year old. And it's still beta which doesn't really matter since it's still not made by Adobe. Now if you're talking about Macs which aren't iOS then it's only macs because flash doesn't crash on my windows laptop.
      Spoken like a TRUE fanboy. Why are you here? Troll much.

      Quote Originally Posted by Luppin View Post
      Well first of all Apple tried it's hardest to NOT make USB the standard, they were pushing their own technology called FireWire, and the original iPods could only be synced through FireWire, not USB. It was only when they realized that nobody was going to adopt that they start allowing USB syncing. In regards to the 802.11 standard, it was patented in 1995 and since then there hasn't really been any attempt by another standard to try to compete with it.
      Actually firewire was developed because usb 1.0 was slower and companies like Sony were pushing it for their video cameras. Apple dropped firewire for its devices when usb 2.0 came in, being faster than firewire. It went with the faster standard. What's wrong with that? There is a faster standard being developed which could supersede usb one day, if only the industry could agree on one standard. Like the whole vhs/betamax battle again.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Yes, a faster USB standard and they are calling it USB 3.0. It should be out very soon if it isn't already.
    1. Tyronal's Avatar
      Tyronal -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
      Yes, a faster USB standard and they are calling it USB 3.0. It should be out very soon if it isn't already.
      I know about usb 3, but there is work ongoing with light optic cables. Incredibly fast speeds. The plan was for a change over within 5-8 years.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tyronal View Post
      No real person cares for flash games let alone have time for them, it's just for pimple face dorks with nothing better to do.
      Blatant example of the hostility in your posts. You "come armed with a baseball bat" just as often as those you loathe.


      Quote Originally Posted by Tyronal View Post
      Actually firewire was developed because usb 1.0 was slower and companies like Sony were pushing it for their video cameras. Apple dropped firewire for its devices when usb 2.0 came in, being faster than firewire. It went with the faster standard. What's wrong with that? There is a faster standard being developed which could supersede usb one day, if only the industry could agree on one standard. Like the whole vhs/betamax battle again.
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain FireWire is FASTER than USB 2.0.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      FireWire 400 is the same speed as USB 2.0. FireWire 800 is twice as fast.
    1. Tyronal's Avatar
      Tyronal -
      Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
      Blatant example of the hostility in your posts. You "come armed with a baseball bat" just as often as those you loathe.




      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain FireWire is FASTER than USB 2.0.
      Firewire 800 is.

      Oh get over yourself. Flash games are for juveniles. They just haven't realised it yet.

      These ARE apple forums and those who just come to troll and bash shouldn't expect a free swing, and if you don't like it you can always leave you know.
    1. Aldog18's Avatar
      Aldog18 -
      there is nothing wrong with flash games
    1. domenicp's Avatar
      domenicp -
      Quote Originally Posted by agent005 View Post
      Just because HTML5 makes it incredibly easy to have video playback, doesn't mean it's a superior product. You can't exactly have interactive webpages with HTML.
      Ah... Yes you can.

      I could see HTML 5 gaining ground regardless of whether or not Jobs endorses it. This was in the works for years.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tyronal View Post
      Oh get over yourself. Flash games are for juveniles. They just haven't realised it yet.

      These ARE apple forums and those who just come to troll and bash shouldn't expect a free swing, and if you don't like it you can always leave you know.
      I don't disagree with your stance on Flash, only the way you present your argument. But, saying "it's just for pimple face dorks with nothing better to do" in no way supports your argument. It is simply a passive insult and is uncalled for.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by domenicp View Post
      Ah... Yes you can.

      I could see HTML 5 gaining ground regardless of whether or not Jobs endorses it. This was in the works for years.
      Absolutely it will. Adobe isn't standing idly by though. They have already released a Flash to HTML5 convertor. They know which way the tides are changing and will not be left behind. They also are really a great company as far as customer support and product innovations. A lot of companies could learn a lesson from them.
    1. DogGunn's Avatar
      DogGunn -
      It's pretty funny reading the replies of brainwashed Apple fans.
      HTML5 will never fully replace Flash due to the working group stating that there will never be a form of DRM on the HTML5 video tags.

      Even after that, the HTML Working Group have stated that HTML5 isn't yet ready for mainstream.

      And worst of all, there isn't yet a standard for video codecs. Someone made a point that HTML5 will end up fragmented like Android. It's true and it already has. Each browser supports a different list of HTML5 / CSS3 features, and some different video codecs (H.264 and WebM/VP8).

      When you look into it, HTML5 is currently a running joke. One day it will be the future, but not yet.
    1. athleticswimmer's Avatar
      athleticswimmer -
      like a fanboy would say " it may not be on top now but it will and it will the future....cuz stevie said soo!!!!(haha)
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Wiley John Wright View Post
      Steve Jobs offered his Thoughts on Flash six months ago and concluded that Flash was an inferior technology rooted in the past and that the future of web development was HTML5. Now it appears the web is beginning to turn its back on Flash and embrace HTML5, just as Steve predicted.
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