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  • Apple: No Preinstalled Flash on Macs

    On Friday, Apple issued an official statement regarding the issue of preinstalled Adobe Flash on the freshly unveiled MacBook Air.

    According to Apple, Flash will not come preinstalled on Macs as a way to best ensure that users will not be deprived of the latest version of Flash. Instead, Mac users are encouraged to download the latest from Adobe. Similarly, all future Macs will come without Adobe Flash pre-installed. Apple spokesman Bill Evans reportedly stated the following to Engadget:

    "We're happy to continue to support Flash on the Mac, and the best way for users to always have the most up to date and secure version is to download it directly from Adobe."
    Despite the rocky relationship between Apple and Adobe, the two seem destined to co-exist (peacefully or otherwise) for the time being. The fresh headlines speaking to the role of Flash on Macs comes after many biting comments from Steve Jobs, not the least of which was the claim that Flash is the primary culprit of crashes on the Mac.

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple: No Preinstalled Flash on Macs started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 28 Comments
    1. skj8100's Avatar
      skj8100 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      And this isn't a good excuse. If they're worried about updates, just bundle it in their autoupdate system. Its another dig at flash while trying to avoid it looking like more feuding.
      As someone previously pointed out- there are not many machines that DO come with flash preinstalled.

      So messany serves us up this "news"....

      I'm not saying you're a bad writer messany. And by all means I'm very excited for you not to have included a verizon rumor in here some way. But this is most definitely NOT news by any means....
    1. L00i3's Avatar
      L00i3 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ccoltmanm View Post
      That's not a bad excuse.
      It's a horrible excuse. If the plugin is installed out of the box, it doesn't matter if it's out of date. If it needs updated, your browser will let you know as soon as you visit a Flash enabled website, and you will have to download and install the latest version. Even if Windows computers don't come with the Flash plugin pre-installed, the various manufacturers don't make a point to claim "better for the end user". This is just a "nice" public way of Jobs putting the hate down on Flash. As if it's not already a known effin fact.
    1. EskimoRuler's Avatar
      EskimoRuler -
      Quote Originally Posted by jdm.accord View Post
      Yeah, because the internet is running out of space so fast. Its dumb and pointless but just as much so to get irritated by it. Attention whores love attention; both good and bad so you're feeding his addiction.

      And this isn't a good excuse. If they're worried about updates, just bundle it in their autoupdate system. Its another dig at flash while trying to avoid it looking like more feuding.
      I would agree
    1. NiMexicatl's Avatar
      NiMexicatl -
      To a few previous statements made on here.

      Flash IS kind of a big deal. Go to or design a website...that's all that needs to be said.

      If people want to see better performance of Adobe products on mac computers, they need to look at the all too commonly mentioned death grip of apple and their "protecting" our enjoyment of their products. Fueding with Adobe. But then again we all know the story and it's more of the same old blah blah blah.

      And no it's not that big of a deal that Flash isn't coming pre-installed. Yes it is more of a statement than it would be coming from PC based companies because of apples situation with Adobe, but honestly if it's installable then mac users should be competent enough to install it themselves. That is of course assuming that they are actually as competent as a select few seem necessary to constantly boast about.

      I'm personally a mostly "PC" user, and now days the line is primarily only drawn by software/os. I get tired of misinformed arguments as well as the marketing ploys, well actually more so the people who latch on to mac commercials and spout off about them.

      So in conclusion is it notable news? Yes. Does it really make a difference in the end. Not really. At least for once they're not spoon feeding you.

      Have a nice day "PC" and mac alike.
    1. KartRacer's Avatar
      KartRacer -
    1. goldenchildrose's Avatar
      goldenchildrose -
      There goes my hopes for the next gen ipad to have flash
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      This is a lame attempt by Apple to see Flash go by the wayside. They are hoping people will find it too inconvienent to point and click to install flash, but the first webpage that the user goes to that requires flash will change that Adobe is not going away much to the dismay of Emperor Jobs.
    1. Snozberries's Avatar
      Snozberries -
      Quote Originally Posted by w00master View Post
      The only reason why this became a so-called "news" article is b/c of Jobs' stance on Flash in general. HOWEVER on the PC/Mac side, this is not uncommon at all. Many PC manufacturers do not include the Adobe Flash plug-in on their desktops or notebooks. The users all have to go to Adobe.com to download the plug-in themselves.

      What if I don't know where the Adobe.com website is b/c Apple and MMi haven't posted it yet? Thank god this is a short read, i almost didn't waste my time to read and post... snooooze