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  • Report: iPhone 4 Sales Hindered by Verizon Rumors



    On Friday, Paul stated what we all feel regarding rumors surrounding the iPhone coming to Verizon. No, rumors are not news. But "when enough reports come together, all pointing in the same direction, then at a given point it's worth stopping and taking a look at what it all adds up to."

    For customers on the fence about a possible upgrade to the iPhone 4, "what it all adds up to" are hindered iPhone 4 sales. That is, according to a new Morpace Omnibus report, approximately one-third of all AT&T iPhone owners who have not yet upgraded to the iPhone 4 say they are "waiting for the iPhone to become available through another mobile carrier before upgrading."

    Rumors of a Verizon iPhone have now taken on a tone of "eventuality." Given the culmination of "hints" referenced by credible sources in Paul's piece, all signs do in fact appear to suggest a forthcoming Verizon iPhone. This report, however, isn't meant to add further hype to the rumor mill. It exists to illustrate a staggering fact - the huge and almost inconceivable sales success of the iPhone 4 could very be a muted case study of the device's ultimate sales potential. If and when the iPhone reaches the Verizon network, the second round of buying could prove far more mind-blowing than anything we've seen so far. And perhaps that prospect alone is reason enough to believe that Apple will soon forge an alliance with Verizon to tap this enormous "waiting" market.

    Morpace Omnibus Report
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Report: iPhone 4 Sales Hindered by Verizon Rumors started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 62 Comments
    1. mindblown's Avatar
      mindblown -
      i would rather use a gsm phone (sim required) then a cdma phone (no sim required)
    1. LaZARuZ's Avatar
      LaZARuZ -
      Yeah all you guys go to Verizon and slow there network down and when you all leave ATT that will free more traffic for the rest of us.. Sounds like a plan to me...
    1. star201z's Avatar
      star201z -
      I think Iphone is present but Android is future. To get cool features, you have to jailbreak in Iphone but in Android, they already have a feature like multiflow. And you don't even need to buy it.
    1. joshWUa's Avatar
      joshWUa -
      Verizon all the way, but T-Mobile still owns the iphone on GSM. I would rather chose crappy t-mobile than att. Ill grab their micro sim and shove it so far up my *** so i can **** it later. Take that Att
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      Quote Originally Posted by Apple. View Post
      You guys are forgetting the main point.

      CDMA..you will no longer be able to switch sim cards when traveling out of country.

      Then a lot of threads will be made saying how they are locked into the verizon network. Etc.

      I personally hate CDMA phones and love my gsm ultrasn0wed iPhone 4.

      I highly doubt apple will launch the iPhone on verizon. They won't even make iPhones in different colors and you think they will make a different phone for a different carrier. ATT has exclusivity until 2012 if I'm not mistaken
      Sheesh, where to begin? OK, there are 300 million+ people living in the United States alone, how many of them choose to be with Verizon, and how many of them DON'T have an iPhone? Yeah, it's a helluva lot! There are only 100 million iDevices sold so far, which is only scratching the surface of possible sales. If all of those sales were ONLY in the USA, that's still only 1/3rd the population (and iPhones are only a fraction of that percentage).

      As for CDMA and GSM: NOT EVERYONE LEAVES THE COUNTRY. While there are those that use the SIM card as their main reason not to switch, it's really not that great of a reason for most people. I have no plans on leaving the nation, and even if I did, I can't think of one person I would want/ need to call while I was over there.

      You "hate" CDMA? Stop being a drama queen. CDMA is a private standard, whereas GSM was developed as an International standard. The Internationalization of something isn't a good thing in my opinion. Case in point: the United Nations. Instead of going with a network that uses a reliable signal (CDMA), or the infrastructure that is best for their particular region (GSM radio equipment drop calls far more frequently, which is simply a limitation of the technology), countries are more likely to adopt the GSM standard because their neighbors are, which isn't always the best reasoning.

      And my final argument for CDMA: Germany uses it, and the Germans are the only country in the EU that AREN'T bankrupt -- anything that's good enough for the Germans is the good bet, in my book.

      And just to beat a dead horse, China and Indonesia also use CDMA networks, which adds a couple hundred more million people to the list of potential customers for Apple if they adopt the CDMA standard. Apple, of course, would have made a CDMA and GSM version of their phones to shop around to the networks back when they were pitching the iPhone, but once they got their exclusivity deal with AT&T, there was no reason to pursue advancements in CDMA integration for years on-end. What I'm trying to say is that there is no 'magical' reason for Apple's SIM card -- they could just have easily mass-produced a CDMA version, and the sales would have been just as strong.
    1. Tylervalo's Avatar
      Tylervalo -
      Quote Originally Posted by sharrack View Post
      I'm an iphone owner........and well.......the verizon network
      runs circles around ATT's. Go to a verizon store and test the
      incredible or DroidX and prepare to be amazed.
      I've done it........and I'm finally impressed with the droid platform and verizons blazing browser speed.
      oh yeah......4G up and running in a dozen major cities.

      The blackberry storm was a brick....plain and simple.

      Verizon owns the reception airwaves from in the west.
      I drop ATT calls driving through phoenix!

      I can't wait and will run to my nearest verizon store!!!
      ATT service is fine but the network is slow.

      After test driving the latest HTC phones........Verizons next round of phones will pretty much level the playing field.
      That will be interesting.........even more reason for Apple to get
      on Verizon network.
      Yea, I dunno about that. I have an iPhone 4 (personal) and a Droid X (work) and find the ATT's network more reliable and wayyyyyyy faster than verizon. When streaming ESPN mobile, the droid will drop out more than the iPhone, even in rual areas where I have no ATT 3G it still performs better than Verizon.
    1. ghostroke's Avatar
      ghostroke -
      Quote Originally Posted by sharrack View Post
      I'm an iphone owner........and well.......the verizon network
      runs circles around ATT's.
      Idk about all that now. AT&T's network is surprisingly fast considering how many iPhones and ipads are connected to it's network. Verizon's network is about the same speed and I would love to see verizon try and handle all the current iPhones.
    1. Blufox's Avatar
      Blufox -
      Such failed logic.

      Let's look at the facts. The iPhone 4 sales ridiculously exceeded expectations. In many places there are still insane wait-lists to even get your hands on one. How do you measure hindered sales based on that? Where do they get there numbers from?

      For those of you that want to believe widespread speculations and rumors, I suggest you watch this ... It is a really good example of how posts like this come about.

      [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo"]Opinion Polls - Getting the Results You Want[/ame]
    1. JacquesChirac's Avatar
      JacquesChirac -
      people dont realize that these phone companies are like insurance companies: they all suck

      and at the end of the day, apple still makes its chinese-labor supported money just the same
    1. glassJAw's Avatar
      glassJAw -
      Does verizon have unlimited data真 if not I will stay with AT&T. I used 6,751 mb this past month. Damn you 3G unrestrictor  damn yous
    1. Blufox's Avatar
      Blufox -
      Quote Originally Posted by glassJAw View Post
      Does verizon have unlimited data真 if not I will stay with AT&T. I used 6,751 mb this past month. Damn you 3G unrestrictor  damn yous
      Yes Verizon does, but the issue at hand is the same as the Sprint network issue. You can not talk and surf at the same time. I would say about 80% of my data is used while I am on the phone. Of course I am doing 30-40gb a month.
    1. glassJAw's Avatar
      glassJAw -
      Quote Originally Posted by Blufox View Post
      Yes Verizon does, but the issue at hand is the same as the Sprint network issue. You can not talk and surf at the same time. I would say about 80% of my data is used while I am on the phone. Of course I am doing 30-40gb a month.
      Oh I see. I'm trying to think if I have ever done that... I haven't, but it's nice to know I can with AT&T and can't on verizon or sprint. Thanks for the info. 30-40gb a month gosh damn  that's a lot.
    1. Blufox's Avatar
      Blufox -
      Quote Originally Posted by glassJAw View Post
      Oh I see. I'm trying to think if I have ever done that... I haven't, but it's nice to know I can with AT&T and can't on verizon or sprint. Thanks for the info. 30-40gb a month gosh damn  that's a lot.
      I tether a lot.

      No problem. That is something that the AT&T haters avoid like the plague when they try to talk so great about Verizon and CDMA. It's one of the largest reason I look over most of the rumor mill news posts. Anyone can bring about the negative in a company, but what about the positive? Yes, I do agree that Verizon's network is significantly larger, and supposedly more stable. But to some, if not most people, 3g is pretty pointless at least 20-30% of the time, considering they want to pull things up while on the phone. I can't even count how many times my buddy on Verizon has had to say 'let me look it up real quick and text you or call you back' I am usually browsing the answers while talking to him on speaker phone. lol
    1. gbarielmoreno's Avatar
      gbarielmoreno -
      Quote Originally Posted by sharrack View Post
      I'm an iphone owner........and well.......the verizon network
      runs circles around ATT's. Go to a verizon store and test the
      incredible or DroidX and prepare to be amazed.
      I've done it........and I'm finally impressed with the droid platform and verizons blazing browser speed.
      oh yeah......4G up and running in a dozen major cities.

      The blackberry storm was a brick....plain and simple.

      Verizon owns the reception airwaves from in the west.
      I drop ATT calls driving through phoenix!

      I can't wait and will run to my nearest verizon store!!!
      ATT service is fine but the network is slow.

      After test driving the latest HTC phones........Verizons next round of phones will pretty much level the playing field.
      That will be interesting.........even more reason for Apple to get
      on Verizon network.
      I don't know if you've been to California (the real west) I've had Verizon and AT&T and AT&T kicks Verizon *** here. I went to the Verizon store to compare the iPhone 4 and droidX to see if i should switch cause i don't get charge cancellation fees. and iPhone has better reception and the display kills the droid X
    1. thetoothfairy's Avatar
      thetoothfairy -
      I'm not holding out for the iPhone 4 to go to Verizon... I am holding out for the white iPhone 4 and getting tired of holding out!!!!
    1. Blufox's Avatar
      Blufox -
      Quote Originally Posted by thetoothfairy View Post
      I'm not holding out for the iPhone 4 to go to Verizon... I am holding out for the white iPhone 4 and getting tired of holding out!!!!
      My gf has been saying that exact same thing every day for weeks. She nags me trying to pry out a release date as soon as I get one. haha.

      I believe that is also where a lot of the 'holding out on buying the iPhone 4' and 'sales hindrance' is coming from.
    1. Fallguy's Avatar
      Fallguy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kruejl View Post
      It makes sense, but its like watching a pot waiting for it to boil.
      More like watching a Boil and waiting for it to Pop .
    1. santacruzlocal's Avatar
      santacruzlocal -
      More Verizon Rumors .... Really!?!?!?!

      Who cares everyone GO to Verizon ... Leaves more bandwidth for me
    1. Blufox's Avatar
      Blufox -
      I believe the biggest thing we should take into consideration when the rumor mill starts spinning about multiple carriers is this ...

      Apple can not meet current demands on their products. That means they are making money hand-over-fist, and their productions are going out as fast as they can slap them together. If they through another carrier into the mix, ESPECIALLY one that doesn't use the same design specifications GSM --> CDMA ... What on Earth would they do about production demands then? Split the difference, and make people have 2 month wait times on each carrier that wants the phone? It doesn't seem feasible. Maybe if they were seeing downtimes at their production facilities, then we could see it happening, but until then I would not hold my breath.
    1. eg6motion's Avatar
      eg6motion -
      Quote Originally Posted by sharrack View Post
      I'm an iphone owner........and well.......the verizon network
      runs circles around ATT's. Go to a verizon store and test the
      incredible or DroidX and prepare to be amazed.
      I've done it........and I'm finally impressed with the droid platform and verizons blazing browser speed.
      oh yeah......4G up and running in a dozen major cities.

      The blackberry storm was a brick....plain and simple.

      Verizon owns the reception airwaves from in the west.
      I drop ATT calls driving through phoenix!

      I can't wait and will run to my nearest verizon store!!!
      ATT service is fine but the network is slow.

      After test driving the latest HTC phones........Verizons next round of phones will pretty much level the playing field.
      That will be interesting.........even more reason for Apple to get
      on Verizon network.
      Verizon doesn't have 4G. But thanks for the useless post. Btw, congrats on testing a carrier signal INSIDE the store...where they have amplifiers or base stations to ensure high bandwidth and signal. Brilliant.