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  • RIM, Nokia Fire Back at Apple



    As expected, the smartphone manufacturers that Apple dragged into its own iPhone 4 reception mess have not responded favorably to the sweeping accusations made by Apple chief Steve Jobs during Friday's much talked about press conference. During the presentation in which Jobs announced a free case distribution program for iPhone 4 owners, a very large target was made out of Apple's biggest competitors in the smartphone marketplace.

    Alluding to the infamous Death Grip, Jobs said this sort of thing "doesn't just happen to the iPhone." In fact, he boldly asserted that the likes of "Nokia, Motorola and other phones" have the same nagging issue. He then went on to demonstrate how the BlackBerry Bold 9700 and the Samsung Omnia II similarly lose bars when held improperly. Following the presentation, Apple.com unveiled a whole new wing to the site that is pretty much exclusively dedicated to explaining that other smartphones also have fatal reception problems. In fact, this is just about the most attention Apple has ever given to its competition. Of course, none of this attention is positive. And, as a result, there are some angry executives at competing companies that are firing back at Cupertino less than twenty-four hours since Apple fired the first shot.

    Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie - the CEOs of RIM (the makers of Blackberry) - issued a formal and scathing response to Apple's harsh critiques.

    Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple.
    Shortly after RIM's chief executives issued choice words to Apple, Nokia followed suit, offering the following:

    Antenna design is a complex subject and has been a core competence at Nokia for decades, across hundreds of phone models. Nokia was the pioneer in internal antennas; the Nokia 8810, launched in 1998, was the first commercial phone with this feature. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying human behavior, including how people hold their phones for calls, music playing, web browsing and so on. As you would expect from a company focused on connecting people, we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict. In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held. That’s why Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.
    Other smartphone makers tossed under the bus by Apple are yet to respond. But something tells us they are hard at work this weekend preparing a well-crafted response to the far-reaching jabs Apple took on Friday to distract from the iPhone 4 "Death Grip" that Steve Jobs maintains is vastly overblown in the press.

    InformationWeek
    This article was originally published in forum thread: RIM, Nokia Fire Back at Apple started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 248 Comments
    1. LSZ33's Avatar
      LSZ33 -
      I agree with most. If you're having issues return it. You have the freedom of choice. If you decide to keep it, you know the saying. "you made your bed, now lay in it".

      Btw I saw that HTC retaliated as well.
    1. domenicp's Avatar
      domenicp -
      I don't care about this issue. Can't wait til July 30th when it comes to Canada. I still want one.
    1. DontBeJealous's Avatar
      DontBeJealous -
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom1234 View Post
      Keep believing what you want fanboy, with that much *** kissing maybe Steve jobs will offer your sorry *** a job.
      You're so witty and cool calling people fanboys. Run a long little one.
    1. 3gs1289's Avatar
      3gs1289 -
      Quote Originally Posted by eZStaR View Post
      Battery design? Apple are experts at making all their devices last almost 2x if not 3x longer than ANY other device in the MARKET. Now lets compare

      1) Droid = Horrible Battery life, crappy android programming kills it. Look at reviews Im not going to explain my self in detail over and over.
      2) Evo, even WORSE battery life, in a review done by engadget showed the Evo from 75% battery life and gone down to 30% in 7 minutes. Explain? Did you see how long the iPhone battery lasts?
      3) Any of Apples laptops, all have 9-10 hour battery life. Now please tell me, how many laptops are there in the world which such epic battery specifications.

      Reason I am not comparing Bold 9700 is because its not a multi touch smart phone in the same area as the iPhone or Droid etc. SO battery life cannot be compared in such fashion.

      Maybe this will make you and other users understand LOL

      Code:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac&feature=related
      Also this is for EVERYONE, understand this only 1.7% of users are having the "death grip" problem. Now do some math, 100% - 1.7% = ? I'm quite sure this is not a BIG issue. Now, this whole thing is just related to AREA. As explained by engadget, consumer reports, Apple and so on.
      ummm you forgot about blackberry storm thats a multi touch is it not? did you conveniently leave that out so it wouldn't kill you little post there? Apple batteries suck! and now your doing what steve jobs does and trying to bring other phones into it LMAO you know what those other phones have that apple doesn't? bigger screens, faster phones, and real multi tasking not wannabe multi tasking they call "fast app switching. So the fact that apple lacks all that on their phones and still doesnt have better battery then the phones you listed says alot about how crappy apples battery is.


      nice try though steve jobs jr.
    1. zmanforever's Avatar
      zmanforever -
      This forum has gone to crap since the press conference nothing but people crying acting like we do not have a choice in life.

      You can easily return the iPhone 4 if you do not want to use a case to stop the signal loss.

      You can easily return the item for no fee and get all your money back.

      It is terrible that this happened and of course for the people who are going through a lot of problems like proximity sensor issues, but come on you do not like it return it.

      No one is forced to buy and keep the iPhone 4 if they do not like it, sure Apple screwed up and this is what they get in return is some happy and some angry.

      THAT'S IT NO MORE CRYING GROW UP THAT IS WHY YOU CAN RETURN IT.

      APPLE HAS GIVEN A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM SURE IT IS NOT THE BEST, IN THE END YOU DO NOT LOSE ANYTHING IF THE PHONE DOES NOT WORK OUT FOR YOU!
    1. 3gs1289's Avatar
      3gs1289 -
      Quote Originally Posted by zmanforever View Post
      This forum has gone to crap since the press conference nothing but people crying acting like we do not have a choice in life.

      You can easily return the iPhone 4 if you do not want to use a case to stop the signal loss.

      You can easily return the item for no fee and get all your money back.

      It is terrible that this happened and of course for the people who are going through a lot of problems like proximity sensor issues, but come on you do not like it return it.

      No one is forced to buy and keep the iPhone 4 if they do not like it, sure Apple screwed up and this is what they get in return is some happy and some angry.

      THAT'S IT NO MORE CRYING GROW UP THAT IS WHY YOU CAN RETURN IT.

      APPLE HAS GIVEN A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM SURE IT IS NOT THE BEST, IN THE END YOU DO NOT LOSE ANYTHING IF THE PHONE DOES NOT WORK OUT FOR YOU!
      ummmm this is about how steve jobs is handling the situation more than the actual problem.
    1. zmanforever's Avatar
      zmanforever -
      No what this forum has become is many people who don't even have the iPhone 4 yet start trying to tell everyone about the issues of the device.


      We need to do something about this nonsense if you do not post a picture of your iPhone 4 do not go posting lies about how ****** up it is.

      Remember not everyone is having problems, I have 3 iPhone 4's in my home not 1 problem.

      They all have cases because we care for our gadgets.

      So many people going around in here crying about something they do not even have yet.

      If the iPhone 4 is not fit for you get your hard earned money back and move on to some other options.

      Like I said before Apple did not seem to fully test the iPhone 4 that well in my book, and I am angry some have issues, but come on honestly post.

      Do not start bad mouthing the device if you do not have one, because then you are just posting the problems of another individual not your own.

      At this point everyone knows it is up to themselves.

      I understand fully how many are angry that Apple would let this happen, but do not forget they do this for a profit also, and recalling would not be part of the profit game.
    1. 3gs1289's Avatar
      3gs1289 -
      Quote Originally Posted by zmanforever View Post
      No what this forum has become is many people who don't even have the iPhone 4 yet start trying to tell everyone about the issues of the device.


      We need to do something about this nonsense if you do not post a picture of your iPhone 4 do not go posting lies about how ****** up it is.

      Remember not everyone is having problems, I have 3 iPhone 4's in my home not 1 problem.

      They all have cases because we care for our gadgets.

      So many people going around in here crying about something they do not even have yet.

      If the iPhone 4 is not fit for you get your hard earned money back and move on to some other options.

      Like I said before Apple did not seem to fully test the iPhone 4 that well in my book, and I am angry some have issues, but come on honestly post.

      Do not start bad mouthing the device if you do not have one, because then you are just posting the problems of another individual not your own.

      At this point everyone knows it is up to themselves.

      I understand fully how many are angry that Apple would let this happen, but do not forget they do this for a profit also, and recalling would not be part of the profit game.
      first of all how do you know who has an iphone 4 and who doesnt?

      second does steve jobs own a blackberry or nokia that gives him the right to bring them into his problems?
    1. skolpo's Avatar
      skolpo -
      I thought I would just mess around with some of my older phones to see if I can replicate the grip issue. As it turns out, I was able to perform the grip issue with an old Motorola Razr, some sort of Nokia, and some sort of Samsung phone with a music player. The issue is more prevalent than people realize. It seems as if the iphone 4 is taking heat of a "problem" that has been ignored for so long up until now. I honestly do not believe this is an issue at all since it seems to be unavoidable with any phone. So why are people fussing again?
    1. robertr1's Avatar
      robertr1 -
      Yes you can return the phone and I did(went back to my 3gs), yes you can use a case to stop the stupid design flaw that a 7th grader could have noticed before they released it. But I'm sorry I'd rather a phone that works without having to use another stupid looking product(even if I get it free) especially if I paid $300 for the phone. Seriously shut up with the "just return it" that isn't the point, the point is apple sold a phone that has a major design flaw and shouldn't be saying "but.... but... every other phone has the problem too " like little kids who can't admit a problem.

      I'm glad nokia and rim are getting pissed at apple. I like apple products and I love there iphone but I hate people that can't admit when they do something wrong because they're too busy kissing their own asses.

      And yes on other phones and anything you use the signal will be worse if you cover up the antenna(duh) but the iphone is the only phone I've used that you can completely drop the signal by putting your finger over a rubber piece meant to separate the two antennas. If you try to load a website and put your finger on it it acts like a built in pause button lol.
    1. zmanforever's Avatar
      zmanforever -
      You can say all you want but the solutions are out.

      Apple is not doing a recall, they do not want to lose over $1.5 billion.

      I am not a Apple fan boy I even said I am angry over Apple's very low attention to detail on the testing of this device.

      I am cool with using a case to shield the double sided glass, and everyone has freedom of choice.

      That is why again I will bring up the return it if you do not like it solution.

      Apple should have handled it differently for sure, but at the end of the day if you do not like the device get your money back.

      No amount of complaints or crying will cause everyone with an iPhone 4 to do a mass exodus and return to non Apple devices because of this issue, why because some of us are having a great time with it.
    1. Venom1234's Avatar
      Venom1234 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ronfin44 View Post
      Clearly you know the difference

      You should write an app that spell checks next. Knock it out champ. Also, should I scan a copy of my EIN and and tax info for this year now since you'd like to have a "look at me" contest? You don't impress me. You're angry you got called-out and tried to deflect the attention away from your original post. Using "your" instead of "you're" isn't a typo, and I'm glad you're not writing an article for the Press with mistakes like that. Then saying the phone doesn't lose any bars from gripping it?! You're an idiot. If that statement was actually factual we wouldn't have this thread. Now run along Professor. You have apps to code. (riiight) *yawn*
      Hahahaha this has got to be the funniest thing ever!!! You sir are the one who got pwned! Lol.
    1. farfromovin's Avatar
      farfromovin -
      Death grip or not, this phone does it, that phone doesn't. Whatever. You can bet money the iPhone5 won't go through this. 1.7% of millions is still a lot of angry customers.
    1. Squeaky369's Avatar
      Squeaky369 -
      I have the Google Nexus One; and I have NEVER lost signal or service because I hold the thing just right.

      I can touch it, hold it, lick it, do whatever I want and it works just fine.
    1. mythamp's Avatar
      mythamp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky369 View Post
      I have the Google Nexus One; and I have NEVER lost signal or service because I hold the thing just right.

      I can touch it, hold it, lick it, do whatever I want and it works just fine.
      I have a nexus one, it loses a bar or two when held in that "death grip" way. But thats not the point, its over all antenna design is much better than the iPhone 4's. ALL iPhone 4's have this inbuilt "DEFECT." I was fed of reading how only 1.7% of the total 100% have it, it sounds so stupid. That 1.7% of the iPhone 4's are in areas where there is low/poor signal its not that the other 98.3% were made with better materials. iPhone 4's design is more flawed than all average phone and its due to the placement of the antenna on the exterior side.

      So if you live in an area where there is a low/poor signal due to AT&T inability to place more Cellular BaseStations, you should return your iPhone as you will be more prone to call drops, yes you will have more call drops than a user using a nexus one/nokia n97/all mobile phones in the same AREA.

      All these experts in here who cant understand a simple concept, being spoon fed by apples BS, makes me feel like banging my head against the wall!

      So Joshua Topolski, go change that 9/10 score in Engadget cause you are making yourself look the stupidest gadget phone EDITOR ever. Cant believe they couldnt find someone better to run that otherwise awesome blog.
    1. ronfin44's Avatar
      ronfin44 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom1234 View Post
      Hahahaha this has got to be the funniest thing ever!!! You sir are the one who got pwned! Lol.

      Thanks.
    1. skolpo's Avatar
      skolpo -
      Quote Originally Posted by ronfin44 View Post
      Really. Please explain this, since the guy I called-out has the grammar of a 7 year-old, and stated that the loss of bars (reception) while holding the phone is basically a myth, and if you experience a reception loss you should "raise your pinky and stfu". You're up genius. Aside from him you're the second dumbest person in this forum. GJ.

      The number of stupid people that come to mmi multiply faster than Gremlins in a pool of water. Amazing how ignorant some of these dopes are.
      I think he was agreeing with you. When you quote someone who quoted someone else, the initial quote isn't there, so he's probably laughing at the person you replied to. Plus, he was the one arguing with the other person in the first place.

      And IMO, commenting on someone's grammar on the INTERNET is so 2005.
    1. Kil0111's Avatar
      Kil0111 -
      like it..but dont love it
    1. Venom1234's Avatar
      Venom1234 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ronfin44 View Post
      Really. Please explain this, since the guy I called-out has the grammar of a 7 year-old, and stated that the loss of bars (reception) while holding the phone is basically a myth, and if you experience a reception loss you should "raise your pinky and stfu". You're up genius. Aside from him you're the second dumbest person in this forum. GJ.

      The number of stupid people that come to mmi multiply faster than Gremlins in a pool of water. Amazing how ignorant some of these dopes are.
      You read it wrong...I was quoting what you said about flash and letting him know he got pwned by you...lol

      Quote Originally Posted by skolpo View Post
      I think he was agreeing with you. When you quote someone who quoted someone else, the initial quote isn't there, so he's probably laughing at the person you replied to. Plus, he was the one arguing with the other person in the first place.

      And IMO, commenting on someone's grammar on the INTERNET is so 2005.
      I totally agree
    1. xxscaxx's Avatar
      xxscaxx -
      my area is pretty low signal most of the time. i never drop bars when holding the phone.

      the only time i experience "death grip" is when im in GREAT coverage with 3G. if i hold it on that spot i can get two-three bars to drop, but i never lose a signal, and it never stops data from sending/receiving.