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  • Some iPhone 4 Buyers Think Devices Are Already Being Built Differently

    Gizmodo and iFixit are giving widespread attention to new reports that allege Apple is already revamping its iPhone 4 building process to curb the lingering reception issues and so-called "Death Grip" phenomenon. Naturally, even without "sources" and "reports" corroborating this suspicion, one would only hope that Apple is doing something internally to prevent more potentially defective or flawed products from entering the marketplace.

    Those I've spoken with who have purchased iPhone 4s within the past few days and discovered a more recent production run haven't yet experienced the same nagging antenna bug that sparked the recent turmoil. While Apple hasn't formally announced a manufacturing change, the iPhone 4 population among us is so substantial (and still growing) that it is monumentally difficult to assess if the most recently produced iPhone 4s are no longer experiencing the problems of the first production runs.

    "We've received only one report," notes Gizmodo,"so take it with a hill of salt: A Gizmodo reader claims that, after Apple replaced his iPhone 4, he couldn't reproduce the sharp loss of signal. He says that the hardware seems slightly different." This report, however, coincides with the findings of an iFixit investigation. "We got an independent report of a similarly updated phone from a member of our community," notes a report on the iFixit blog, "so we decided to investigate. We exchanged one of our units (that had been experiencing unrelated problems with its Bluetooth connection) to see Apple has changed the manufacturing process since their initial production run."

    Needless to say, it will take some time to better assess whether Apple has already begun an unspoken recall of sorts by stealthily revising the manufacturing and product build of the iPhone 4.

    Stay tuned...

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Some iPhone 4 Buyers Think Devices Are Already Being Built Differently started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 95 Comments
    1. geoffe's Avatar
      geoffe -
      I wonder about this too. I have only 15 days for my 30 day return and am thinking of returning it next week to see if the batch is really different.
    1. visubversa's Avatar
      visubversa -
      Quote Originally Posted by berdman21 View Post
      Remember people, if you are in an area with a very strong signal, such as an apple or at&t store or are in direct line of sight of a cell tower it is harder to reproduce the dropped signal. Now if you are out in a more rural area or inside of a building with some obstructions it is very easy to reproduce...
      True, except I was in the very same store when I tried it on mine right after purchase.
    1. wookiee2cu's Avatar
      wookiee2cu -
      face2face, you are exchanging your iPhone but there is no guarantee it will be a brand new one, it could be a refurb. My replacement came in today and gonna pick it up after work; don't really care if it's a refurb or not as long as my proximity issue is fixed.

      Lunchbox69, the problem is people shouldn't be forced to put a case on the phone if they don't want to in order to fix Apple's mistake, it should work as advertised. Personally I have a case for mine as I did with my 3G because I want it protected but that's my preference. I like the attention it's getting because Apple is going to have to deal with it instead of trying to push it off to the side and hope people forget about it. I don't care if people think my phone is garbage, it's not theirs it's mine and their opinion on the matter doesn't mean crap.
    1. M4tt Dam0n's Avatar
      M4tt Dam0n -
      I just want the damn iPhone 4 to be out in Canada already.
    1. UTPharmer's Avatar
      UTPharmer -
      Has anyone done any correlation annalysis with regard to those having the signal issue and those with the proximity sensor issue? I mean, my phone has had neither issue, but do some people have both? What is the difference in those headsets?
    1. hat_15's Avatar
      hat_15 -
      I'm now on my 2nd replacement(3rd iphone) and I can still reproduce the signal loss. According to the serial number it's the 27th week production model. The band still feels the same and the proximity sensor bezel is still the same darkness. 1st time my phone was replaced was because it was dropped from like a foot and it shattered the screen. The apple store actually replaced it for free even though I called apple support and they told me it would be $199 to do what they call an "out of warranty replacement". 2nd time it was replaced b/c people kept asking me to repeat what I was saying, course by now I'm using a bumper. So we'll see what this phone does.
    1. d1sposition's Avatar
      d1sposition -
      Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorJack View Post
      Ye some of my mates have no problem and there is one of my mates who do its a soft ware problem
      how ever there is a case for the human hand getting in the way its to do with sweat from the hand and the signal being blocked

      a soft ware up grade will fix it my mates work in phone shops and i no what im talking when it comes to hard ware

      iv up dated one of my 3Gs and i louse signal strength when i wrap my hand round the unit
      but when i use just 3 fingers to hold it then its fine no problem before the up grade 3.1.3

      its the same with a TFT screen if you put finger on the screen the acid sweat for your fingers or hand play havoc with the screen
      You know what your talking about? It sure sounds like it, let me tell you. If its a software issue then how come some phones have the reception issue and some don't? If it was software then every phone would be the same. It has to be hardware. Its way more possible to have slight differences in manufacturing of the phones hardware than to have differences in the firmware. If not that then its the fact that apple ****** up the first few that were made, realized it, then corrected it hoping no one would notice. Either way, GARBAGE.
    1. firebird25's Avatar
      firebird25 -
      When I first got mine last Tuesday my mic didn't work and had the death grip problem when they gave me the replacement everythings been great so far no death grip
    1. twitchthecat's Avatar
      twitchthecat -
      Quote Originally Posted by matrixhunter View Post
      i agree with you i pre ordered the phone and got it on june 23 i dont have any problems with the sigal bars or antenna
      I don't agree with you. I preordered the phone and got it on June 23 and if my iphone 4 is not in a case, and I hold it normally (also known as deathgrip), the bars drop to none and then searching within 30 second, tops.

      I have until Friday, as I expect does everyone else who preordered and received their phones early, to return the phone. I am waiting to see what Apple says at the press conference, but I am prepared to return the phone and purchase it again later in the production cycle, hoping for a model without the issue.

      Quote Originally Posted by matrixhunter View Post
      i agree with you i pre ordered the phone and got it on june 23 i dont have any problems with the sigal bars or antenna
      Quote Originally Posted by zinjen View Post
      July 8th purchase and both Proximity Problems & Deathgrip issues. What's funny is they say this problem effects left handed people more so. I think that's incorrect as I am right handed and use my Left hand to hold it and right hand to apply selection.

      If anything I would say it effects right handed users more so.
      same here, right handed, phone sits in my left hand, placed normally to my left air, right hand manipulates screen...

      funny, when someone first mentioned a right hand/ left hand distinction, I made some facetious response about differing levels of conductivity between the left and right hands, I was wrong, it matters.

      there's alot of chatter about the strength of the glass on the iphone 4 and people having broken screens. The glass doesn't appear to be as strong as Apple made it out to be. anyone have any thoughts on the glass?

      If I could go back to my 3GS, this would be a non-issue, but since my wife lost her phone and now uses my 3GS, I needed this iphone 4 to work. I had hoped to only use a full body Zagg invisible shield so that I could show off the phone. Apple said the reception would be better, which I need because I live in an area with iffy reception (great sometimes, generally not so much) but the death grip requires me to use a case.

      Maybe you like to but products that don't do what they are supposed to do or maybe you are a fanboy or maybe since you use a case you could care less that the phone by itself doesn't work properly. Others here have higher standards.
    1. brbortscheller's Avatar
      brbortscheller -
      wow. im pretty sure they made a new one because everyone who took theirs in for a new one has no issues. :-/
    1. swifty7's Avatar
      swifty7 -
      so what happens to all of these returned ip4? Does Apple just clean and resell these defective units back to customers as new or what? Now that would really piss me off.
    1. newjoa's Avatar
      newjoa -
      I can make my iphone 4 loose to 1 bar like 80% of the time, yesterday I was in a restaurant with 5 bar just by holding it, got it to no signal.
    1. newjoa's Avatar
      newjoa -
      So how is your new one doing ?
    1. g0sbv's Avatar
      g0sbv -
      Just received a new one today only issue I can find at the moment is the death grip..
    1. flipt's Avatar
      flipt -
      Apple seem to have launched a new iPhone at the same time every year. I totally understand that they were working on the iPhone 4 when the 3GS came out. They probably wanted to test out the new tech in the 3GS before they launched it as a standard in the 4. You have to remember that the 4 is a new design and that there will be issues with it to start with, so what if a few get sent back and have to be replaced. This will not outweigh the profits that Apple will rake in from the 4!

      Im sure without fail that next June-July we will see an iPhone 4GS with all the bugs from the iPhone 4 all sorted and fixed. There will be new tech inside it to yet again test for the iPhone 5.

      Im gonna wait until next year for the iPhone 4 as i dont see much difference from the 3GS apart from the look. Hopefully then i wont have to wait for a JB.