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  • Apple Retail Employees Attempting Unionize?


    On Thursday, a group of Apple Store employees issued a statement to the press announcing their plans to form a union. This announcement comes on the tenth anniversary of the first two Apple retail store locations opening in McLean, Virginia, and Glendale, California.

    The Apple Retail Workers Union made the following statement, “We are launching today to get fellow employees, shoppers, and the world know that we work in one of the most demanding retail environments while suffering through unfair treatment and compensation among many other various issues... We deserve better. Our time has come.”

    The group also launched a website to promote their cause, however, at this time, there is almost no information on the site. It currently contains little more that a slogan that reads, “At Apple, our most important resource, our soul, is our people,” and a contact link. They also made the following statement on Twitter:



    This is hardly the first time a disgruntled employee has criticized the treatment of Apple Store employees. The blog Crapplestore detailed the activities of one such worker. The anonymous blogger would give almost daily accounts of the working conditions in a scathing and very often humorous manner. Unfortunately, the site gained more attention than the blogger wanted and was soon taken down. However, during the time it was still up and running, the blog offered an intriguing peak behind the curtain at Apple.

    It will be very interesting to see how Apple handles this situation in the coming months. Recently, unions have been on the decline in this country. Will Apple follow in the footsteps of Walmart and institute draconian union busting measures to keep employees in check? Hopefully, Apple will be able to come to some kind of reasonable agreement with the retail staff. No one wants to see picketing outside an Apple Store when the next big new thing comes out.

    Source: MacWorld
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Retail Employees Attempting Unionize? started by Wiley John Wright View original post
    Comments 65 Comments
    1. Xenthis's Avatar
      Xenthis -
      About time someone rebelled at Apple :P
    1. iRepairIndy's Avatar
      iRepairIndy -
      Quote Originally Posted by trixster View Post
      There's always another high school / college kid ready to take your job without a union contract needed.
      Doesn't matter if the employee can be replaced. They have the right to vote for a union. And legally they can't be fired just because they are voting for one.

      Also, Jobs has very little say if the union happens or not. He can try to persuade them not to vote.. that's about it

      Unions do tend to protect the lazy and stupid. That's my only beef with unions. I was with Teamsters for almost 10 years and all they did was protect lazy, stupid people. People who could not cut it without a union.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      There are laws in place to protect workers rights, don't give me that unions protects workers. In order for unions to "protect" workers they have to use the same exact laws, so what is really protect the workers? Frankly I have no love for Apple, but I don't wish unions on my worse enemy.
    1. iRepairIndy's Avatar
      iRepairIndy -
      Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
      There are laws in place to protect workers rights, don't give me that unions protects workers. In order for unions to "protect" workers they have to use the same exact laws, so what is really protect the workers? Frankly I have no love for Apple, but I don't wish unions on my worse enemy.
      Unions are there to represent the workers. Union negotiate and know the laws.. unlike most people. The people who don't know the laws can easily be taken advantage of
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      Are unions the same in the USA as they are in Europe and the UK, because if they are the all you people are crazy.

      In Europe unions do this:

      1) If for example an employee is sexual harassed the union will pay for lawyers and help provide support for the employee.

      2) If an employee is unfairly dismissed, for example if they are fired simply because there boss doesn't like them then the union pay for lawyers and try to get them compensation.

      3) Unions provide a support group for employees.
    1. Razz's Avatar
      Razz -
      The people who don't know the laws can easily be taken advantage of
      People who choose not to educate themselves about their own rights. So your saying they protect the lazy and stupid.
    1. bigliquid530's Avatar
      bigliquid530 -
      I work for the railroad and I thank god that we are union. It gives management less power they can't just wake up pissed off one morning and decide to fire you for the hell of it. And trust me most management fir the railroads are azzholez
    1. Pizentu's Avatar
      Pizentu -
      If they Unionize, They will have at least 1 less customer. Some of you might wanna open your eyes and look around at what the Unions are doing these days.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by iRepairIndy View Post
      Unions are there to represent the workers. Union negotiate and know the laws.. unlike most people. The people who don't know the laws can easily be taken advantage of
      Unions uses lawyers to represent workers, workers can find a lawyer all by themselves. Union workers are just go between, yet they take a percentage of your pay often before you even see your own checks.

      Quote Originally Posted by Pizentu View Post
      If they Unionize, They will have at least 1 less customer. Some of you might wanna open your eyes and look around at what the Unions are doing these days.
      Believe me there will be a lot more loss than just one. Crapple Don'tCare customer service will be widely accepted across the country.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by Razz View Post
      I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with Unions. As far as I know it is a felony to assault anyone.
      It had everything to do with the unions, and NO it is not a felony to assault someone. assaulting these people was a misdemeanor like any other assault on a regular Joe. Unions got them the protection they needed. So that pregnant TEA who got a broken jaw for doing her job will not only get justice through the legal system, but her job will still be waiting for her while she takes time off to recover.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizentu View Post
      If they Unionize, They will have at least 1 less customer. Some of you might wanna open your eyes and look around at what the Unions are doing these days.
      yeah lets look around and see what unions are doing these days...

      If customer service reps had unions, they'd still have their jobs. now when you call customer service of any major corporation, you're speaking to some guy in India or the Philippines.

      Quote Originally Posted by Razz View Post
      People who choose not to educate themselves about their own rights. So your saying they protect the lazy and stupid.
      Stupid and lazy union employees..

      - police officers
      - firemen
      - construction workers
      - teachers
      - coal miners
      - university professors
      - doctors and nurses.

      you have got to be the most ignorant person posting on the web this month.

      or maybe you're just unemployed because you got fired from your job and replaced by an "undocumented" worker.

      Quote Originally Posted by spazturtle View Post
      Are unions the same in the USA as they are in Europe and the UK, because if they are the all you people are crazy.

      In Europe unions do this:

      1) If for example an employee is sexual harassed the union will pay for lawyers and help provide support for the employee.

      2) If an employee is unfairly dismissed, for example if they are fired simply because there boss doesn't like them then the union pay for lawyers and try to get them compensation.

      3) Unions provide a support group for employees.

      1. why shouldn't an accused person be entitled to a lawyer? and if that person pays his/her union dues, why shouldn't the union hire a lawyer for him/her?

      2. key word "unfairly" union or not, all employees are entitled to fair treatment.

      where in Europe are you from? sounds more like you're from some 3rd world country where workers rights are frowned upon and the accused have no rights.
    1. Fortex24's Avatar
      Fortex24 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jOnGarrett View Post
      yeah lets look around and see what unions are doing these days...

      If customer service reps had unions, they'd still have their jobs. now when you call customer service of any major corporation, you're speaking to some guy in India or the Philippines.



      Stupid and lazy union employees..

      - police officers
      - firemen
      - construction workers
      - teachers
      - coal miners
      - university professors
      - doctors and nurses.

      you have got to be the most ignorant person posting on the web this month.
      - police officers

      He was a unionized police officer
      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7iGA_sCoI]YouTube - ‪72 Year Old Woman Gets Tazed By Police Man‬‏[/ame]

      - teachers

      Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      >US no. 11

      - coal miners

      they dig holes, destroy nature, and cause global warming and possible will be responsible for the death of every human being

      - firemen

      They were a unionized fire department
      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtpff_SAog]YouTube - ‪House Burns Down Next To Fire Dept in Alabama (March 31, 2011)‬‏[/ame]

      - university professors

      lol, do I need to say more?
      >Work only a few days a week for only a few months a year
      >Get paid 6 figures
      >Tuition rates so high and expensive it's creating a permanent underclass of Americans who can't get an education

      - doctors and nurses

      >Doctors
      >6 figure salaries

      >Nuses
      >Let old and sick people die because they are unionized and can't get fired

      - construction workers

      Video of Queens construction worker abducting and raping Manhattan club patron to be on Inside Edition - NYPOST.com
    1. iRepairIndy's Avatar
      iRepairIndy -
      Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
      Unions uses lawyers to represent workers, workers can find a lawyer all by themselves. Union workers are just go between, yet they take a percentage of your pay often before you even see your own checks.



      Believe me there will be a lot more loss than just one. Crapple Don'tCare customer service will be widely accepted across the country.
      Yes, and thats the good things they do.

      They also represent lazy, worthless people. People who would normally be fired for good reason any other time.
    1. Bluprint's Avatar
      Bluprint -
      I might be late to the party, but I'm glad I didn't participate in this discussion. You scumbags suck. All ya care about is on your investment with apple. My dream was to work with apple products and helping people too, but I hated the apple store with a passion. At my interview I was told that I was the best out of the best! I specialized myself in final cut and I got paid $8 an hour. I was a part time employee working about 35-39 hours a week with no benefits. I had to deal with crap from people, managers, and at&t. My only "thank you" was a f-you. I remember staying after hours to close a sale on 25 iMacs. I got nothing from that sale, I never got nothing for convincing you why mobileme was NOT trash. The store manager collected our bonuses and laid off about 50 workers. On our way out, we were advised to "just quit" to remain in good standing with apple.... If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would unionize.
    1. lothariorowe's Avatar
      lothariorowe -
      You pro-union "rights" people are distorting rights so badly.

      A right - a real, natural, god given, inalienable right, is something that cannot be granted to you by law - which is why it's called a "god given" right. A natural right does not and cannot require someone else to give you that right. People can take away your rights, but they cannot give you your rights. A government's job is to protect your inalienable rights, not to grant them.

      Consider this scenario in the context of the above - remember, a right is something you have without needing anyone to give it to you:

      You are all alone on a desert island with no one and nothing else around.

      Do you have a right to your life? Sure, you have your life, you own it, and no one else is required to grant this right to you.

      Do you have a right to liberty and freedom? Sure, you are completely and utterly free on this desert island. No one else is required to grant you freedom.

      Do you have a right to the pursuit of happiness? Sure, you can do anything you want to pursue happiness. You don't have a right to happiness, but you have a right to pursue it, and no one else is required for you to have this god given right.

      Do you have a right to food? Well it's a desert island with no food - so how can that be a god given right? It's not - it's your right to pursue food and food production, but not to have food.

      Do you have a right to healthcare on this desert island? Of course not, that's absurd. That would require someone else on this desert island, and it would require that they are forced to care for you.

      DO YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO UNIONIZE? Obviously not - that would require many other people for you to have that "right" - an employer, workers, a government. If you had all these people, you would have a right to create any groups you wanted with any worker that wanted to voluntarily join - but that's NOT what a union is now, is it? A real union on this desert island would require by law that every worker MUST join your "group." It would require by law that no worker has a right to independently negotiate working conditions with their employer anymore.

      A union is nothing but the institution of force to reduce competition among workers, and demand conditions and salaries of your employer at the point of a gun, all with the protection of the government to allow your bullying.

      You don't own your job. The employer created your job, and owns your job, and has graciously lent it to you. Your job is the property of the employer, and the employer has set the terms and conditions of this job offer. He has not forced you to accept the conditions - it was an offer - and you can voluntarily accept the job or turn it down. That is it. You can negotiate with the employer, and he has the right to accept or decline your negotiations. You have no right to demand he accept your terms by law.

      So what have we discovered? We have discovered that you have a right to your life, your liberty, and your pursuit of happiness - THAT IS IT. An employer can not take your life away against your will, and he can not enslave you and take away your freedom against your will. THAT IS IT. He can tell you to work weekends, he can tell you to accept no pay, he can tell you to work 10 different positions, and if you don't like it, you can quit - but you cannot create laws that let you keep your job on your own terms against the will of the employer, the rightful owner of your job.

      Unions are completely against natural rights, no matter what laws a government creates.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bluprint View Post
      I might be late to the party, but I'm glad I didn't participate in this discussion. You scumbags suck. All ya care about is on your investment with apple. My dream was to work with apple products and helping people too, but I hated the apple store with a passion. At my interview I was told that I was the best out of the best! I specialized myself in final cut and I got paid $8 an hour. I was a part time employee working about 35-39 hours a week with no benefits. I had to deal with crap from people, managers, and at&t. My only "thank you" was a f-you. I remember staying after hours to close a sale on 25 iMacs. I got nothing from that sale, I never got nothing for convincing you why mobileme was NOT trash. The store manager collected our bonuses and laid off about 50 workers. On our way out, we were advised to "just quit" to remain in good standing with apple.... If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would unionize.

      uhh if this truely happen and not some pro-union people making up stories to scare people into unions like they always do. You need to find a couple of your co-workers that got laid off and find a lawyer to represent you, get the manager fired AND get money from Apple. By not doing so you are too lazy to fight for yourself, basically you made what they said union protects the lazy true...
    1. vbx's Avatar
      vbx -
      I stand by what I said earlier. Google "the rubber room new york."
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
      uhh if this truely happen and not some pro-union people making up stories to scare people into unions like they always do. You need to find a couple of your co-workers that got laid off and find a lawyer to represent you, get the manager fired AND get money from Apple. By not doing so you are too lazy to fight for yourself, basically you made what they said union protects the lazy true...
      Ok just where do you expect an average employee to find, say $100000 for a layer so that they can sue Apple, because remember they can't sue the manager he is protected by the law.
    1. paulishuku's Avatar
      paulishuku -
      This is just retarded. While I agree that apple may treat their employees like ****, so does the rest of corporate America. Welcome to the job force.

      Retail jobs are made for 3 reasons. Seasonal part time work, college kids that need extra money, and teenagers. If you do not fall into this category you have failed at life. If you do fall into this category, ask your parents or a stranger for all I give a **** if he's ever worked a crappy job when he was younger and 9 times out of 10 you'll get a yes and I bet you it was ******** than your little apple retail job.

      The only thing unionizing apple will do is pass the extra cost of benefits, higher wages, and whatever else they want onto the consumer. So while you can be content to work at your **** *** retail job your whole life Ill have to pay an extra $100 every year for an iPhone. Thanks.
    1. ronfin44's Avatar
      ronfin44 -
      Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
      Union killed the automotive industry, can't wait for union to kill Apple.
      Where do you get your information. It wasn't the Union that killed the Automotive Industry here in the US. It was COMPETITION, and our subpar products going up against the Japanese and Germans couldn't even compete. The misconception that Unions make lazy people is ridiculous. Lazy is an American tradition, and it's in every aspect of business whether it's a union run company or non-union company. Next time educate yourself BEFORE you make statements.