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  • Apple Retail Employees Attempting Unionize?


    On Thursday, a group of Apple Store employees issued a statement to the press announcing their plans to form a union. This announcement comes on the tenth anniversary of the first two Apple retail store locations opening in McLean, Virginia, and Glendale, California.

    The Apple Retail Workers Union made the following statement, “We are launching today to get fellow employees, shoppers, and the world know that we work in one of the most demanding retail environments while suffering through unfair treatment and compensation among many other various issues... We deserve better. Our time has come.”

    The group also launched a website to promote their cause, however, at this time, there is almost no information on the site. It currently contains little more that a slogan that reads, “At Apple, our most important resource, our soul, is our people,” and a contact link. They also made the following statement on Twitter:



    This is hardly the first time a disgruntled employee has criticized the treatment of Apple Store employees. The blog Crapplestore detailed the activities of one such worker. The anonymous blogger would give almost daily accounts of the working conditions in a scathing and very often humorous manner. Unfortunately, the site gained more attention than the blogger wanted and was soon taken down. However, during the time it was still up and running, the blog offered an intriguing peak behind the curtain at Apple.

    It will be very interesting to see how Apple handles this situation in the coming months. Recently, unions have been on the decline in this country. Will Apple follow in the footsteps of Walmart and institute draconian union busting measures to keep employees in check? Hopefully, Apple will be able to come to some kind of reasonable agreement with the retail staff. No one wants to see picketing outside an Apple Store when the next big new thing comes out.

    Source: MacWorld
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Retail Employees Attempting Unionize? started by Wiley John Wright View original post
    Comments 65 Comments
    1. h2a's Avatar
      h2a -
      I worked for apple retail. They're brainwashing, koolaid drinking a-holes. They pretend to value each employee but you're basically a clone and if you don't conform, they find a way to make you quit.
    1. quicknight's Avatar
      quicknight -
      http://usat.ly/iA7prp

      Starkly contrasting views. Wow.
    1. MidwestHxC's Avatar
      MidwestHxC -
      Quote Originally Posted by vbx View Post
      People who are good at what they do don't need the "protection" from unions. The people who benefit most from unions are the lazy or underperforming ones who otherwise would have been laid off or fired.
      I am a Inside Wireman in the IBEW. I am damn good at what i do and damn proud of what i do. If you own a iPhone with the service of AT&T you support the "lazy and underperformed" people that bring you service everyday you moron. I am not lazy nor underperformed of what i do for a living. Unions collect bargain to make a standard of living and a work place enjoyable. Before you go running that gator of a mouth you have get your facts straight bud. That's right i said standard of living which this country and other idiots like you have lost. Rich get richer and poorer get poorer. I'll go with my brother teamster that made the comment that said he has seen both sides of it. People do take advantage of the system, but do you work weekends?
    1. ja808hi's Avatar
      ja808hi -
      1st off u cant get fired for saying the word union at your job. 2nd, it doesnt take every employee to vote yes to get it passed. And Steve Jobs has not say in it.
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      Union?!? Wow, Jobs and Company will clean house. Definitely not good for Apple as a company.
    1. rabbit_'s Avatar
      rabbit_ -
      There's a app for that
    1. lothariorowe's Avatar
      lothariorowe -
      disgusting. workers who think they are entitled to their jobs (no pun intended) suffer from such corrosive immorality. Unions wreck economies, destroy voluntary free trade, and are of such a selfish motivation at their core.

      If you think you're being treated unfairly - then quit! You aren't forced to work there by your employer, and how selfish must you be to believe YOU have a right to force your employer into certain self serving obligations by law, and not voluntary consent?

      disgusting.

      if you're pro-union and honest about your selfish intentions and rammifications, thats cool, but if your pro-union out of naivete - educate yourself before displaying your ignorance for the world to see...I'll get you started with this:

      [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZN2CditiSE]YouTube - ‪Economics 101: Labor and Unions | Murray N. Rothbard (Lecture 5)‬‏[/ame]
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      If Apple unionizes it will be the beginning of Apple's slow death.

      No one has the "right" to a job. That's anti-competitive. Competition allows the consumer to win, and we're all consumers.

      Like the person above said: if you don't like your job, then quit. No one is forcing you to work there. Give that job to someone who will work for less. These sales jobs were never meant to be a person's main source of income. One's not suppose to support a family and mortgage through retail sales at Apple.
    1. LifeBandit666's Avatar
      LifeBandit666 -
      Any worker not in a Union diesnt value themselves enough to believe they have rights. I work in the automotive industry, and have done for 5 years. In thst time managers have made us do more work for less money (relatively, the cost of living goes up but we don't get a payrise) and by doing extra jobs, other people have become redundant needlessly. We are told that the company is not a "Cash rich" company while getting slipped information from sypathisers showing their £5million profits in one year. All the while the company is buying up other companies. These companies do the same manufacturing, but less work for £1 per hour more in pay. We are currently trying to redress the balance through industrial action. Employers count on the ignorance displayed on this page (Unions=Communists) to make us all work like slaves. If you are ignorant enough to not be a union member you deserve it. Just remember that when you are getting screwed bareback, that the Union would have made them use condoms and lube
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      so nice to see so many of you middle class people siding with apple and criticizing the employees who want to form a union.

      NONE of you work for apple and you dont know what complaints these people might have or why they feel they need to form a union.

      Ive never in my life seen so much ignorance as Im seeing these days when it comes to middle class people and their attacks on other middle class people.

      to all of you who are against unions (mostly due to your ignorance) I invite you to come to NYC and work as a municipal employee and endure the abuses and dangers they face from the general public and then make your argument about why unions are bad.
    1. aposey's Avatar
      aposey -
      Unions are completely unnecessary for a job like this. The only place a union should be allowed is industries with safety issues. You work in an air conditioned building helping people purchase products. If the Union does get into the apple retail stores "say good by to your $199.99 iphone". Expect that price to triple over 4 years when the employes strike to get $40.00 an hr for a $12.00 an hr job.
    1. MooMoo92's Avatar
      MooMoo92 -
      I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to form a union. Apple is a multi-million dollar cooperation with loyal employees who generally seem to like what they do. A friend of mine drives 84 miles round trip to his job at the nearest Apple store and pays for his own gas, so why shouldn't he have assurance that his job is safe and he will be treated fairly? I work for a large scale grocery store, the union is probably one of the best things we have in place.
    1. dale1v's Avatar
      dale1v -
      Apple make shiny products. I bet that the working conditions in any Apple job must be just as shiny, if not more so. These employees are just complaining over nothing! God I'd love to work at Apple, no matter what.
    1. Razz's Avatar
      Razz -
      one of the most demanding retail environments
      Are you ******* kidding me? I can't even begin to describe what a load of **** that statement is. Get a life.

      to all of you who are against unions (mostly due to your ignorance) I invite you to come to NYC and work as a municipal employee and endure the abuses and dangers they face from the general public and then make your argument about why unions are bad.
      I think Unions have their place in certain industries, but the only thing retail unions do is steal wages from employees who can't afford it and drive prices up.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by c0dy View Post
      Sweet. Looks like there will be a bunch of jobs opening soon.
      Lol, funny stuff!

      That's just how things are on the retail level sometimes. It's one of those jobs you have to help pay your way through college so someday you can own your own biz and make your own rules. It sucks, but at least its a job, especially at this time.
    1. spazturtle's Avatar
      spazturtle -
      hahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha

      Thats me laughing at all you americans who are scared unions, Unions are great they help employees stand up for their rights, yes employees have rights too you know. And to all you people who say they should just quit, well why don't you quit your job and see how hard it is to find a new job.

      I think I will laugh at you a bit more now so have a good day.

      ahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha
    1. Fortex24's Avatar
      Fortex24 -
      Why don't we let the slaves at Foxconn unionize? They are literally killing themselves because of the working conditions.

      I refuse to buy union made. When I see that "Union made" label on a product - I put it back on the shelf.

      Go to hell Apple sales employees, you lazy pieces of ****.
    1. jOnGarrett's Avatar
      jOnGarrett -
      Quote Originally Posted by vbx View Post
      People who are good at what they do don't need the "protection" from unions. The people who benefit most from unions are the lazy or underperforming ones who otherwise would have been laid off or fired.
      you should be locked in a dark hole somewhere and never let out.
      let me tell you about some lazy and under performing people.

      lets start with the MTA employees in NYC, you know. bus drivers who have been shot, stabbed, and beaten to death by angry passengers. or the pregnant Traffic Enforcement Agent who got her jaw broken while writing a ticket. Unions made it a felony to assault these people or interfere with them doing their jobs.

      Quote Originally Posted by aposey View Post
      Unions are completely unnecessary for a job like this. The only place a union should be allowed is industries with safety issues. You work in an air conditioned building helping people purchase products. If the Union does get into the apple retail stores "say good by to your $199.99 iphone". Expect that price to triple over 4 years when the employes strike to get $40.00 an hr for a $12.00 an hr job.
      how is it unnecessary for a job like this? you dont work there and you dont know what their issue are. teachers have unions, why do they need union protection? doctors and nurses have unions, why do they need union protection?

      the employees at apple could be working mandatory overtime and are not getting paid for it, they could be asking for something as simple as an hour lunch break instead of a 30 min break. maybe they dont like mandatory Saturdays like a lot of jobs are doing these days.

      you cant say that because someone makes $12 hr they dont deserve or need union protections. thats like saying someone whose white blond and attractive dont need protection from discrimination.
    1. Razz's Avatar
      Razz -
      Unions made it a felony to assault these people or interfere with them doing their jobs.
      I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with Unions. As far as I know it is a felony to assault anyone.
    1. quidam_brujah's Avatar
      quidam_brujah -
      Quote Originally Posted by vbx View Post
      People who are good at what they do don't need the "protection" from unions. The people who benefit most from unions are the lazy or underperforming ones who otherwise would have been laid off or fired.
      Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
      Union killed the automotive industry, can't wait for union to kill Apple.
      Ah... spoken by people who truly have no idea what they are talking about.

      The purpose of the union is to provide Labor with the ability to have equal leverage with Capital. Capital needs Labor to produce goods and services. Labor needs Capital to provide the environment to produce said goods and services. It's a symbiotic relationship that requires balance. But you can't have balance without effectively organizing both sides.

      Capital is always looking to reduce costs, so, yes, they will try to hold down wages as much as they can (google 'stagnant median income'). Labor is always trying to get as much as they can. In a perfect world, there would be no need for unions. Or police, or the SEC or the judicial system. But, as seen by the bursting of several 'bubbles' (or ponzi schemes encouraged by Capital/Wall Street/financial institutions) Capital can't run a system by itself that won't implode any more than Labor can organize themselves without corruption.

      So, if you really want to see what it looks like without Unions, go back to the robber barons, go back to slave wages, 'company stores', no safety, no restrictions on working hours or days, no holidays, no weekends, child labor, etc., etc., etc.

      One time, I was in a motorcycle accident. I wore a helmet. It did it's job then, so I guess I don't need to wear one anymore? Or my seatbelt? The point being that you don't eliminate a balancing part of the equation because you think it's served its purpose. If you remove it, you'll end up back where you started.

      That's not to say that I think Unions shouldn't be regulated any more or less than Capital. Again: balance.

      And to those saying that Unions killed the <insert name of industry here>, actually, you're wrong. Most of the financial problem suffered by those industries were playing games with how they did (or did not) invest the DEFERRED WAGES known as 'pensions.' (google that as well).
      Same kind of crap that the Greenspan 'commission' did by increasing payroll taxes and putting that money in the general fund and putting US Treasury Bonds in the SS trust fund instead. GM and others knew how much they needed to save but didn't care and short-changed the pensions. So, the workers worked, producing really crappy cars that couldn't effectively compete with Japanese models, thinking they had a deal with GM (and others) which would get reneged years later.
      If it was a bad deal for GM, they should not have agreed to it. But the biggest problem was crappy cars and their twisting Congress for sweet deals on trade and taxes to help them keep going along.

      So, yeah, Labor isn't bad, Capital isn't bad, but, corruption is and that's where most of your problems lie: greedy fr@cs that want to suck as much as they can out of any system. Mostly different mentality in other parts of the world which is why it's much worse here than elsewhere. Too bad we ('America, Inc.') are doing such a good job at selling our 'principles' to everyone around the planet. I love mom, apple pie and Coca Cola (TM), but I really don't like some of our business practices.

      Of course, that's just my opinion: I could be wrong.